Hmm, that's a Victory class star destroyer, not an Imperial. I smell an expansion later, maybe? Maybe.

Also, what are the chances that FFG finds a way to combine both games such that a game of XWing determines the outcome of a squadron engagement as part of the larger battle?

Hmm, that's a Victory class star destroyer, not an Imperial. I smell an expansion later, maybe? Maybe.

Also, what are the chances that FFG finds a way to combine both games such that a game of XWing determines the outcome of a squadron engagement as part of the larger battle?

FFG finding a way? Probably not. But a fan created way? You know it.

And with Armada, now I'm wondering if a Death Star would be reasonable as an expansion.

I can see it more like this, X wing brings them in, sits them down and gives them a foot massage, while your nice and comfy, here comes armada to put you in a bath robe and bring those slippers before leading you to bed. ( An odd story, I know )

Hmm... That explains a few things. Well played, AA, well played.

The fighter squadrons are unpainted.And the scales are screwy. The SD compared to the cr90 sucks. I'm passing on armada.

The geek is not strong with this one.

That's a Victory class star destroyer not an Imperial class.

So the scale is about right.

The fighter squadrons are unpainted.And the scales are screwy. The SD compared to the cr90 sucks. I'm passing on armada.

The geek is not strong with this one.

That's a Victory class star destroyer not an Imperial class.

So the scale is about right.

The scale is still wrong, even a Victory class is 6 times the length of a CR-90. That said, keeping everything in scale with eachother even in a fleet scale game isn't very practical, unless you want super tiny mini for the smallest ships. With even a 2 inch long CR-90, if everything was kept to the same scale, a Victory class would be 12 inches long, and an Imperial somewhere around 22 in.

I see people mentioning epic 40k but I think they are missing the massive mistake GW made scraping specialist games, when we spent money on epic or gothic it was still money going to the same company, when they scraped those games other companies swooped to fill a demand that still existed.

Money going to armada is money going to ffg and it takes pressure off x-wing designers.

Exactly. This game isn't competing with x-wing, it is competing with firestorm armada, and the upcoming hawk war games fleet scale game, and attack wing. This is a shot at FFG taking some of their market share.

The fighter squadrons are unpainted.And the scales are screwy. The SD compared to the cr90 sucks. I'm passing on armada.

The geek is not strong with this one.

That's a Victory class star destroyer not an Imperial class.

So the scale is about right.

The scale is still wrong, even a Victory class is 6 times the length of a CR-90. That said, keeping everything in scale with eachother even in a fleet scale game isn't very practical, unless you want super tiny mini for the smallest ships. With even a 2 inch long CR-90, if everything was kept to the same scale, a Victory class would be 12 inches long, and an Imperial somewhere around 22 in.

Yeah, you can't really hope for a fleet game and then be upset that it's not in scale the way X-wing is (setting Epic aside). The set of ships is a bit too heterogeneous for that.

The fighter squadrons are unpainted.And the scales are screwy. The SD compared to the cr90 sucks. I'm passing on armada.

The geek is not strong with this one.

That's a Victory class star destroyer not an Imperial class.

So the scale is about right.

But really, Epic wasn't the end of Warhammer back in the day, Armada will not be the end of X-Wing today. I will pass on Armada just like I passed on Epic. Also, even if it is a Victory, the scale isn't about right, it's kind of awkward looking.

Yeah, you can't really hope for a fleet game and then be upset that it's not in scale the way X-wing is (setting Epic aside). The set of ships is a bit too heterogeneous for that.

I'm not so sure that I agree that the heterogeneity of the ships makes it imperative that it couldn't be done to scale. The scale of Star Wars is part of its allure! The Star Destroyer swallowing up the Tantive in ANH was... one of the major scene-setting moments.

If they can come out with a 12" Tantive for X-Wing, then I think they can come out with a similar-size model for the ISD. Also, they can reduce the size of the corvette-size craft.

(Maybe they could train fleas to wear costumes so as to play the fighters... Okay, so that was not serious, but the previous point is in earnest.)

I see people mentioning epic 40k but I think they are missing the massive mistake GW made scraping specialist games, when we spent money on epic or gothic it was still money going to the same company, when they scraped those games other companies swooped to fill a demand that still existed. Money going to armada is money going to ffg and it takes pressure off x-wing designers. I'm glad this is coming I've been saying it's the next logical step, it won't replace x-wing because any successful company makes multiple product lines. GW is dying in part because it gave up its near monopoly to focus on three core products, people didn't just lose all desire for necromunda, epic and gothic games like infinity, drop zone commander and x-wing prove that, no demand was there but the CEO of GW and the board are incompetent. Ffg has earned my respect with games like death watch and x-wing, I have faith that they can do two star wars games without destroying the old with the new.

GW is dieing due to the way it prices its games.

Have you even looked at costing up a new army. Its maddness

But the ISD isn't the upper end of the heterogeneity. I would say the executed is. If you are going to have a game like this people are going to want to regularly play with multiple ISDs, they have to be a manageable size.

On the other hand, I do think the corvette is too big. I was picturing the cr90 as about a-wing size and scale everything else in between those two, with just the fighters and falcon size ships on a different sliding scale.

Yeah, you can't really hope for a fleet game and then be upset that it's not in scale the way X-wing is (setting Epic aside). The set of ships is a bit too heterogeneous for that.

I'm not so sure that I agree that the heterogeneity of the ships makes it imperative that it couldn't be done to scale. The scale of Star Wars is part of its allure! The Star Destroyer swallowing up the Tantive in ANH was... one of the major scene-setting moments.

If they can come out with a 12" Tantive for X-Wing, then I think they can come out with a similar-size model for the ISD. Also, they can reduce the size of the corvette-size craft.

(Maybe they could train fleas to wear costumes so as to play the fighters... Okay, so that was not serious, but the previous point is in earnest.)

You, sir, Gerry a high five for using the word heterogeneity correctly in a sentence.

If they can come out with a 12" Tantive for X-Wing, then I think they can come out with a similar-size model for the ISD. Also, they can reduce the size of the corvette-size craft.

The issue is that the CR90 is a massive centerpiece model that not everyone will ever bother owning, and will never be more than a one-time purchase even if you get one. And game-wise fitting on the table isn't a problem because it's only used in special missions, not everday 3x3 dogfights. The ISD, on the other hand, is likely to be a "standard" ship that people will need to buy multiple copies of and use multiple copies of in their lists. That puts some serious size constraints on it, probably at around the same size and price as the YT-1300 in X-Wing.

One thought... perhaps they don't plan on making a ton of expansions for Armada, but rather put out a few more ships, ISD, Interdictor, 1 or 2 MonCal's, release the core ships as expansions. Perhaps sell fighter squads, A-Wings, Tie Bombers, ect... But not expand the whole thing they way they have X-Wing.

The only thing nearing the end is my bank balance with all the great stuff FFG is putting out.

One thought... perhaps they don't plan on making a ton of expansions for Armada, but rather put out a few more ships, ISD, Interdictor, 1 or 2 MonCal's, release the core ships as expansions. Perhaps sell fighter squads, A-Wings, Tie Bombers, ect... But not expand the whole thing they way they have X-Wing.

Never know but if it sells well which I think it will, they'll keep making more

I think the opposite... I don't think armada will take off, because it's the same target audience as x-wing... Star Wars, tabletop, miniatures. Most peole (not all, but most) will choose one game, and they're already in to x-wing a couple hundred bucks. Plus, with the third trilogy of movies coming out, FFG isn't going to run our of models any time soon.

Armada should have come out after FFG ran out of new models to build and sell.

The fighter squadrons are unpainted.And the scales are screwy. The SD compared to the cr90 sucks. I'm passing on armada.

The geek is not strong with this one.

That's a Victory class star destroyer not an Imperial class.

So the scale is about right.

I'm well aware of the difference between a VSD and an ISD. I've been the one to point it out in another thread.

I didn't say it was an ISD so why are you correcting me?

I'm in this game becasue it's SW, not as a miniature/war-gamer.

That means fluff is huge for me and painting is hard.

I'm happy for all of you though, sorry for the negative sounding original post.

For me this announcement is a dream come true.

I've always been a cap ship fan myself, id rather Babylon 5 ships but star wars is almost as good.

You have my money FFG give me NOW

I think the opposite... I don't think armada will take off, because it's the same target audience as x-wing... Star Wars, tabletop, miniatures. Most peole (not all, but most) will choose one game, and they're already in to x-wing a couple hundred bucks. Plus, with the third trilogy of movies coming out, FFG isn't going to run our of models any time soon.

Armada should have come out after FFG ran out of new models to build and sell.

Agreed. X-Wing will cannibalize Armada's sales because: (1) X-Wing is more affordable and therefore more accessible, (2) X-Wing takes less time to play and that also makes it more accessible, (3) X-Wing is all prepainted, and (4) as Ravaga mentioned, people who play X-Wing are already invested into that game.

Not a chance. Didn't I read somewhere that X-Wing is the most lucrative game FFG's ever had?

Yeah and that is why they upped the STAR WARS experience with this new ARMADA level of play. Companies do not make new goodies unless the current goodies are doing very well.

STAR WARS X-WING is here to stay.

Seems pretty simple to me. X-Wing is the dogfight planes battle game. Armada is the naval battle game. They look very different.

If armada gets too complicated I'll stay with xwing. I play xwing because it's simple and fun. But I'm glad armada is around in case I get bored with xwing.

I think xwing will still be around for the casual player and armada will be for those who needs more tactical thinking that they can't get from the xwing game.

There is an old saying "he who has the gold makes the rules" in this case the game that has more players stays. So if there will be no more players for the xwing games because they ended up playing armada. Xwing will go down like Biggs on the battle of the first deathstar.

I simply will have both unless the system is bad.

(no indication or expectation but still; the disclaimer remains)

So for the moment:

One important thing this tells us: FFG STILL HAS THE LICENSE. And not only that, they're expecting to keep it long enough to make launching an entirely new game in 2015 a sensible business plan. All that speculation about whether Disney will renew the license, or will the end of the EU kill FFG's games, etc, just came to an end. And that is very good news for the long-term future of X-Wing.

Yes!! And I'm really tickled by that prospect.

I see people mentioning epic 40k but I think they are missing the massive mistake GW made scraping specialist games, when we spent money on epic or gothic it was still money going to the same company, when they scraped those games other companies swooped to fill a demand that still existed.

Scrapping those games was a mistake from your perspective, but was it a mistake from GW's perspective? I'm not sure those games caught on in the way that they producers hoped they would.

Maybe it did sour you on GW, and you're clearly not alone. But there are multiple reasons to be sour at GW (I am), and at the time they were the effective monopolist. So I'm not sure the scrapping of those games was necessarily a critical mistake in comparison to all the other market forces at work.

Who knows, Armada might not catch on, and it might prove that FFG will do the same to Armada as GW did to its added-on games. Let's not count the chickens yet.

If you look at financials for GW you see 2004 the year they phased out all but wfb 40k and lotr is the year the long slide down began, the lotr bubble bursting was a big part of this but so was switching focus from veteran players to the kids who have less free cash to spend, specialist games wasn't the only factor but it did open the market for other companies to make similar games and steal market share from GW.

GW got rid of specialist games because they were stealing sales from 40k in their own words, which as anyone knows is stupid money coming into you is money not going to your competitors, now those skirmish games are still making money just not for GW.

Frankly ffg would be fools not to make a large fleet game and a ground based game as well, not everyone will play it but if they don't make the expensive star wars licence work for them someone else will come in with something similar and take money they could be earning themselves.

I see people mentioning epic 40k but I think they are missing the massive mistake GW made scraping specialist games, when we spent money on epic or gothic it was still money going to the same company, when they scraped those games other companies swooped to fill a demand that still existed. Money going to armada is money going to ffg and it takes pressure off x-wing designers. I'm glad this is coming I've been saying it's the next logical step, it won't replace x-wing because any successful company makes multiple product lines. GW is dying in part because it gave up its near monopoly to focus on three core products, people didn't just lose all desire for necromunda, epic and gothic games like infinity, drop zone commander and x-wing prove that, no demand was there but the CEO of GW and the board are incompetent. Ffg has earned my respect with games like death watch and x-wing, I have faith that they can do two star wars games without destroying the old with the new.

GW is dieing due to the way it prices its games.

Have you even looked at costing up a new army. Its maddness

Here I disagree people pay PP prices for warmahordes after all, no what killed 40k for alot of people was very low quality rules and no attempt to balance armies, there is no doubt 40k prices are insane your 100% right there but people can buy from discount stores if their smart and eBay but there is no point if the game itself is a hot mess not worth playing.

I played 40k for nearly 20 years it's not the price that drove me away but the rules 6th ed was bad but playable at first but as new codexes came out all balance went out the window with tau and eldar, and 7th not fixing major flaws and bringing in unbound was the last nail in the coffin for me.