Nope. Considering that Wave 4 is already being reprinted, I would say that X-wing is doing just fine.

Maybe.

The thing is, as much as this is the sort of game I wanted before I got into X-Wing, I don't think it will actually eclipse X-Wing at all. Did Epic 40K and Warmaster do anything to their parent games?

That doesn't mean that you don't have a point that these are aimed at the same audience. Maybe they feel that they can't pump out new stuff for X-Wing to soak up all our money fast enough without compromising the integrity of the game.

Think about it the other way around. GW has abandoned (or licensed out) their non-flagship properties in favor of their parent game(s), precisely for the reason I alluded to above. I have as much respect for FFG as I've ever had (the poor QA/QC of their Dust leftovers notwithstanding), but I don't suspect even they are immune to basic economics. If it comes to a point where they realize they're making less money by focusing on two miniatures games instead of one, what's to stop them from, well, stopping?

To be fair, X-wing is running out of the sort of stuff Mikael Hasselstein will buy very quickly...

Whatever do you mean? I've got the Decimator on pre-order!

(But... you're right. The Decimator is the outlier. Still, I think it's more accurately said that FFG is choosing not to produce the ships that Mikael Hasselstein would buy, because they're catering to video-gamers rather than crusty old roleplayers like himself.)

Think about it the other way around. GW has abandoned (or licensed out) their non-flagship properties in favor of their parent game(s), precisely for the reason I alluded to above. I have as much respect for FFG as I've ever had (the poor QA/QC of their Dust leftovers notwithstanding), but I don't suspect even they are immune to basic economics. If it comes to a point where they realize they're making less money by focusing on two miniatures games instead of one, what's to stop them from, well, stopping?

I'm going to trust that they've done their market research well. I do think that Armada is perhaps aimed at a nerdier audience, while X-Wing can continue to please the masses.

(But, who knows, maybe they haven't.)

I think saying such is a bit silly. Armada will be a different beast to X wing, the only real issue will be how much both being out will slow down X wing waves. X wing is a cheaper start up, easy to learn, gate way to mini gaming. I think Armada will be the more experienced harder to learn and teach system but still awesome.

I can see it more like this, X wing brings them in, sits them down and gives them a foot massage, while your nice and comfy, here comes armada to put you in a bath robe and bring those slippers before leading you to bed. ( An odd story, I know )

I think with this their first product will just lead into another, and one won't truly destroy the other, more expanding the use of the IP with an easier to learn and run game, then a more complex, tactical game. If they do it right, they'll time waves so they won't directly compete with one another in the release windows.

I'm loving this news and can't wait for it, I hope it will be as amazingly fun to me as X wing has been.

Honestly, a part of me hopes this does slow down the X-Wing waves. If the release schedule keeps the pace it's had, and this one has a similar one, i won't be able to afford to play both

And that was my point of posting this thread. I'm not saying the sky is falling, I'm saying can we afford to support two mini games? Is this splitting the community? It's great to think X Wing will go on for years, but how many ships can they manufacture from the EU? There is a limit.

So I'm not trying to bring doom and gloom, just being realistic.

To be fair, X-wing is running out of the sort of stuff Mikael Hasselstein will buy very quickly...

Whatever do you mean? I've got the Decimator on pre-order!

(But... you're right. The Decimator is the outlier. Still, I think it's more accurately said that FFG is choosing not to produce the ships that Mikael Hasselstein would buy, because they're catering to video-gamers rather than crusty old roleplayers like himself.)

Mikael Hasselstein prefers to talk about himself in the third person

I think saying such is a bit silly. Armada will be a different beast to X wing, the only real issue will be how much both being out will slow down X wing waves. X wing is a cheaper start up, easy to learn, gate way to mini gaming. I think Armada will be the more experienced harder to learn and teach system but still awesome.

I can see it more like this, X wing brings them in, sits them down and gives them a foot massage, while your nice and comfy, here comes armada to put you in a bath robe and bring those slippers before leading you to bed. ( An odd story, I know )

I think with this their first product will just lead into another, and one won't truly destroy the other, more expanding the use of the IP with an easier to learn and run game, then a more complex, tactical game. If they do it right, they'll time waves so they won't directly compete with one another in the release windows.

I'm loving this news and can't wait for it, I hope it will be as amazingly fun to me as X wing has been.

Honestly, a part of me hopes this does slow down the X-Wing waves. If the release schedule keeps the pace it's had, and this one has a similar one, i won't be able to afford to play both

And that was my point of posting this thread. I'm not saying the sky is falling, I'm saying can we afford to support two mini games? Is this splitting the community? It's great to think X Wing will go on for years, but how many ships can they manufacture from the EU? There is a limit.

So I'm not trying to bring doom and gloom, just being realistic.

Well, I play Dreadball (which I'm pretty set on at the moment, I was a give-me-everything backer in the last KS), X-Wing, and Project:Icestorm took away my last excuse for not playing Infinity. Not to mention quite a few board games. I know I'm not the only one that would be splitting their attention and funds between multiple systems here. Unless they stagger releases between the 2, I'll have to pick one ( I will definitely be picking up the starter set on the chance that they will be)

To be fair, X-wing is running out of the sort of stuff Mikael Hasselstein will buy very quickly...

Whatever do you mean? I've got the Decimator on pre-order!

(But... you're right. The Decimator is the outlier. Still, I think it's more accurately said that FFG is choosing not to produce the ships that Mikael Hasselstein would buy, because they're catering to video-gamers rather than crusty old roleplayers like himself.)

Mikael Hasselstein prefers to talk about himself in the third person

Just wait for me, erm Mikael Hasselstein, to shift to the plural third person.

I'll see your Royal 'We' and raise you a Mikael Hasselstein 'They'

Well, I know it will force some decisions for me, as I can't afford to sustain all of my FFG game habits. And with X-Wing moving increasingly away from the OT, maybe it is time for me to get into Armada instead... decisions. Oh well, maybe I will win the lottery and buy it all!

That used to be so good. Thank you for making me smile.

It looks like the games will be significantly different enough to have a different feel. I really hope that we'll still be playing X-wing as much as Armada and likewise I hope that Armada turns out to be lots of fun.

Probably continue to buy both.

Mikael Hasselstein prefers to talk about himself in the third person

That's why we call Mikael Hasselstein The Rock of the FFG Forums...

Don't thank me, thank Dr. Cox. Scrubs was ace!

Well in know for me in a sucker for the detail, and strategy games.

The way I see it is most xwing players have a lot invested in this game, and continue on investing.

The price model just fits for a lot of people. Not overly expensive and easy to play. Makes it easy to market.

I'm not sure what it'll cost for the starter and each expansion, but if the core set is 100 USD and each expansion is 40-60 and up then they are going to limit a lot of players.

Ya it's not expensive at first but if it becomes like xwing where you need 100 pt lists and then you need 2 of this ship and 3 of this, this is going to get expensive fast.

With what I have invested in xwing I have like 30 some ships. Armada that may only be 10-12 depending on pricing.

People with husband and wife, mortgages, kids may not be able to keep up with a game like armada as they can with xwing.

There is plenty of lifec left in xwing

Lots of ships and pilots that can still be released, along with making something old new again with things like ace packs and who knows what else.

Plus all those who have hundred and thousands invested into xwing are not just going to stop and play armada.

Why when they have so many choices with another game which still plays different.

I'm pretty excited.

Even if it doesn't take off, I just want the ships for the detail

Well this is a pleasant change from "Wave X is breaking the game" threads.

It looks like the games will be significantly different enough to have a different feel. I really hope that we'll still be playing X-wing as much as Armada and likewise I hope that Armada turns out to be lots of fun.

Probably continue to buy both.

Oh man I cannot like this enough! LOL!! So so true.

Anyway, it sounds like it's already been said a million times, but lets make it a million and one. No, this is not the end of X-wing by any means. If anything it will increase the X-wing base by drawing more people towards playing quality Star Wars games. This isn't them taking attention away from a great game so much as it is them adding another surfboard onto the massive wave that is formed by people throwing our cash at them.

Also, I feel very encouraged that we are seeing this game up next, and not something lame like the "Naboo Fighter Minatures game."

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I'm not sure what it'll cost for the starter and each expansion, but if the core set is 100 USD and each expansion is 40-60 and up then they are going to limit a lot of players.

See the product page. The price of the starter set is $100

EDIT2: link: http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite_sec.asp?eidm=270&esem=2

The fighter squadrons are unpainted.

And the scales are screwy. The SD compared to the cr90 sucks.

I'm passing on armada.

The fighter squadrons are unpainted.

And the scales are screwy. The SD compared to the cr90 sucks.

I'm passing on armada.

I don't want to like it. I can't afford to like it. But I like it just fine; none of those issues are even close to deal breakers for me.

Has anyone else thought that this may be the early signs that X Wing is nearing end life?

No. Fantasy Flight is a huge company. They have more than enough capacity to do two different Star Wars miniatures games. And aside from being space combat games with movement templates, they appear to be very different games. They're making a second Star Wars card game as well, does that mean the Star Wars LCG is coming to an end? Nevermind X-wing is as popular as it's ever been and continues to expand. They'd be morons to drop it and replace it with something different.

They will stop when the cash cow is milked dry.

Ol Betsy has a lot yet

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I think that this is also proof enough to say that if xwing wasn't so popular they probably wouldn't have made this move.

In a way I think it maybe a bit of a gamble for then.

It'll fail or succeed.

The majority of people who will buy it imo are us. The xwing players.

If anything was to fail it would be armada. Just from the price point.

Although I doubt irk fail

Xwing sure as hell isn't

I see people mentioning epic 40k but I think they are missing the massive mistake GW made scraping specialist games, when we spent money on epic or gothic it was still money going to the same company, when they scraped those games other companies swooped to fill a demand that still existed.

Money going to armada is money going to ffg and it takes pressure off x-wing designers.

I'm glad this is coming I've been saying it's the next logical step, it won't replace x-wing because any successful company makes multiple product lines.

GW is dying in part because it gave up its near monopoly to focus on three core products, people didn't just lose all desire for necromunda, epic and gothic games like infinity, drop zone commander and x-wing prove that, no demand was there but the CEO of GW and the board are incompetent.

Ffg has earned my respect with games like death watch and x-wing, I have faith that they can do two star wars games without destroying the old with the new.

One important thing this tells us: FFG STILL HAS THE LICENSE. And not only that, they're expecting to keep it long enough to make launching an entirely new game in 2015 a sensible business plan. All that speculation about whether Disney will renew the license, or will the end of the EU kill FFG's games, etc, just came to an end. And that is very good news for the long-term future of X-Wing.

Maybe Armada will be semi-compatible with x-wing -- wouldn't that be cool? The two game systems are different of course, and each are standalone games, but it'd be awesome to have a campaign mode where one plays out both armada-scale and xwing-scale missions. Components need not be shared at all.

One important thing this tells us: FFG STILL HAS THE LICENSE. And not only that, they're expecting to keep it long enough to make launching an entirely new game in 2015 a sensible business plan. All that speculation about whether Disney will renew the license, or will the end of the EU kill FFG's games, etc, just came to an end. And that is very good news for the long-term future of X-Wing.

Yes!! And I'm really tickled by that prospect.

I see people mentioning epic 40k but I think they are missing the massive mistake GW made scraping specialist games, when we spent money on epic or gothic it was still money going to the same company, when they scraped those games other companies swooped to fill a demand that still existed.

Scrapping those games was a mistake from your perspective, but was it a mistake from GW's perspective? I'm not sure those games caught on in the way that they producers hoped they would.

Maybe it did sour you on GW, and you're clearly not alone. But there are multiple reasons to be sour at GW (I am), and at the time they were the effective monopolist. So I'm not sure the scrapping of those games was necessarily a critical mistake in comparison to all the other market forces at work.

Who knows, Armada might not catch on, and it might prove that FFG will do the same to Armada as GW did to its added-on games. Let's not count the chickens yet.

Maybe Armada will be semi-compatible with x-wing -- wouldn't that be cool? The two game systems are different of course, and each are standalone games, but it'd be awesome to have a campaign mode where one plays out both armada-scale and xwing-scale missions. Components need not be shared at all.

I've got a thread on that subject here. Please drop by.

Hmm, that's a Victory class star destroyer, not an Imperial. I smell an expansion later, maybe? Maybe.

Also, what are the chances that FFG finds a way to combine both games such that a game of XWing determines the outcome of a squadron engagement as part of the larger battle?