"Scoring

Players earn tournament points at the end of each match as follows:

• Match Win = 5 tournament points

• Modified Match Win = 3 tournament points

• Draw = 1 tournament point

• Match Loss = 0 tournament points

These points are used to determine the winner of the tournament. In the case of a larger event, they are instead used to determine who makes the cut to the championship bracket rounds"

"Margin of Victory

At the end of each match, the player who has destroyed more squad points adds the amount by which his score exceeds his opponent’s score to 100

and records it on his score sheet. The player who has destroyed fewer squad points subtracts the same amount from 100 and records it on his score sheet.

End of match example: Anakin wins the game, destroying 53 squad points of his opponent’s ships. Anakin’s opponent, Biggs, has destroyed 24 points of Anakin’s ships. Anakin wins by 29 points, which he adds to 100 for a margin of 129. Biggs loses by 29 points, which he subtracts from 100 for a margin of 71.

If a player destroys all of his opponent’s ships, his opponent’s squad is worth 100 squad points, even if it is worth fewer squad points to begin with.

If a player concedes the match, treat all of his remaining ships as destroyed."

"Breaking Ties

If players have identical win-loss records, the tie is broken based upon Margin of Victory. The player with the highest Margin of Victory wins the tie and advances. If the players are still tied, calculate the strength of each player’s schedule by combining total match points of all their opponents. The player whose opponents had the highest total combined match points wins the tie and advances."

These are the three parts I see on determining the winner of a tournament. In Scoring it says the points are used to determined the winner of the tournament. In the Breaking Ties the first line makes it seem that we are comparing win-lose records to start the tie breaking process. Or does the Win-lose record count as the first tie breaker befor going onto the "margin of victory" breaker.

If you have different win/loss records, you're not tied. Margarine of Victory is the first tiebreaker.

I think we all get how the margarine of victory works. But what about the Vegemite of defeat?

If you have different win/loss records, you're not tied. Margarine of Victory is the first tiebreaker.

Personally I prefer butter.

If you have different win/loss records, you're not tied. Margarine of Victory is the first tiebreaker.

Personally I prefer butter.

But the commercials for "I Can't Believe It's Not Strength of Schedule!" assure me you'll never know the difference.

I have no trouble believing that you're not Strength of Schedule

Ok.

This I was a little confused on but think I got it now.

So if my list is 99 points, then I still add or subtract from 100. My pts have nothing to do with that aspect.

Plus if I destroy all my opponents ships and he had 99 pts, then it still counts as 100?

That last part seems odd.

Ok.

This I was a little confused on but think I got it now.

So if my list is 99 points, then I still add or subtract from 100. My pts have nothing to do with that aspect.

Plus if I destroy all my opponents ships and he had 99 pts, then it still counts as 100?

That last part seems odd.

It's so you don't get screwed over because you and some other guy both wiped your opponents but his opponent brought 100 and yours only brought 99, and so you don't get screwed by having a lower starting MoV of 99 or whatever if your list isn't 100 points, I guess. Everyone starts on the same playing field MoV points wise.

That makes sense.

I like it

I think we all get how the margarine of victory works. But what about the Vegemite of defeat?

I think if there's vegemite involved, everyone loses.

How many points is a Match win as oppose to Modified win?

How many points is a Match win as oppose to Modified win?

5 = Match Win

3 = Modified Win

Same as before

If you mean how many squad points to determine, it is still 12.

How many points is a Match win as oppose to Modified win?

Same as it's always been, 5-3-1-0 for Win, Modified Win, Tie, Loss

How many points is a Match win as oppose to Modified win?

5 = Match Win

3 = Modified Win

Same as before

If you mean how many squad points to determine, it is still 12.

So for a full win I need to win by 12 points? Didn't they change also the points on whether you use a missile/bomb toward total points?

How many points is a Match win as oppose to Modified win?

5 = Match Win

3 = Modified Win

Same as before

If you mean how many squad points to determine, it is still 12.

So for a full win I need to win by 12 points? Didn't they change also the points on whether you use a missile/bomb toward total points?

Yes, win by 12 to get a full win. Missiles/bombs do not count ever unless the ship they were on also died.

That was not changed since last FAQ

So my understanding is this:

Player One has a record of 4-1 all modified wins 12pts

Player Two has a record of 3-2 full wins 15pts

Since player one has a better record he is placed higher based on the win-lose record. If that is the case why have Full and modified wins?

We will be discussing these changes to the tournament scoring on our show, which records tonight. We should have that edited and ready to go by Tuesday of next week.

We will be discussing these changes to the tournament scoring on our show, which records tonight. We should have that edited and ready to go by Tuesday of next week.

As always, look forward to hearing the show

So my understanding is this:

Player One has a record of 4-1 all modified wins 12pts

Player Two has a record of 3-2 full wins 15pts

Since player one has a better record he is placed higher based on the win-lose record. If that is the case why have Full and modified wins?

They're not tied by points for it to matter...

take it another round (for simplifications (#) = modified win)

P1: (5)-1 = 15pts

P2: 3-3 = 15pts

Player 1 would be then ranked higher based on win-loss (if you read the manual literally).

BUT... I think that phrase of 'if players have the same w/l ratio' is misleading, and should probably read 'if players have the same amount of match points'. So, the scenario doesn't matter since you should probably be comparing match points first, then MoV, then SoS. The actual 'record' of the player should be reflected in how many match points they have, period. If you're really concerned: ask your TO before the tournament to see how they're interpreting the tournament rules... the 'w/l ratio' was a holdover from the previous document (and caused several discussions previously...), and I think is unintentional.

As an aside... MoV as first TIE breaker rewards easy schedules for the match winners and equal-skill schedules for the losers. IMO it makes the x-1 determination more random than it should be.