Where is the evidence that dice setting is only effective on 6 sided dice?

Go do some research on setting, and you'll see why it won't work the same way. What the guy was doing was not setting, because you can't allow dice to bounce if you're going to try and use that method.

evidently it works here....as the OP states that the dice results evened out after not being able to 'read' his dice.

That's hardly proof of anything.

Can you control 8's as easily as vegas casino's? Obviously not...but we are not craps rolling, we are doing short drops here.

The X-Wing guy is INCREASING his chances for a favorable roll. like I said...not as adept as displayed in the above video...but cheating ntl.

I'll say that it's completely possible that the guy in the video thinks he's using a dice setting method. But if he is, he's doing such a bad job of it, that it isn't having any effect on the game.

So you admit that he is setting...even if he is the worst dice cheat in the world...he's still cheating.

I don't understand your defense of the cheater. How hard is it to cup your hands...shake vigorously (with non marked dice) and remove all doubt?

Your arguement is amazing.

Where is the evidence that dice setting is only effective on 6 sided dice?

Go do some research on setting, and you'll see why it won't work the same way. What the guy was doing was not setting, because you can't allow dice to bounce if you're going to try and use that method.

evidently it works here....as the OP states that the dice results evened out after not being able to 'read' his dice.

That's hardly proof of anything.

Link please, I'll be happy to read.

Dice setting in and of itself does nothing to a die roll, come on people. You need a handful of conditions to be met in order for sector rolling to be effective. Get it through your heads people, he was not sector rolling!

So you admit that he is setting...

Again we're back to the "Wearing my lucky hat means I'm cheating" argument.

Link please, I'll be happy to read.

Just Google dice setting, there's plenty of videos out there that explain how to do it. After you watch 5 or 6 you'll see that what the guy is doing, isn't setting.

Dice setting in and of itself does nothing to a die roll, come on people. You need a handful of conditions to be met in order for sector rolling to be effective. Get it through your heads people, he was not sector rolling!

The video I posted above pretty much shows that you are 100% incorrect in that assumption.

Link please, I'll be happy to read.

Just Google dice setting, there's plenty of videos out there that explain how to do it. After you watch 5 or 6 you'll see that what the guy is doing, isn't setting.

I'd rather YOU give me a link, so we're on the same page. You obviously seem to think you know exactly what you're talking about.

I've provided evidence to MY side instead of telling you to go look. That sort of arguement is too easy.

The video I posted above pretty much shows that you are 100% incorrect in that assumption.

That isn't even close to what the guy in the OP's video is doing. That is also not a legal roll in Craps. What the video shows is a soft set or soft roll, where you basically get the dice to flip over once so they land on the side you had in your palm.

That requires that you let go of the dice very close to the table, and don't allow them to bounce or spin extra times. It's painfully obvious when someone uses that method.

It may be that the other times the guy was doing a soft roll, but that's not what he did in the video in the OP.

we arent talking about craps where you throw your dice across the table.

What are you on about? Jeez.

You're just arguing to argue arent you?

Marked dice.

A pause. (Probably to look...we don't know, but if so implies setting dice)

and a toss...probably identical toss to others made, again, we don't know.

If the tosses are the same, and the pauses are to look at his marked dice. He is trying to influence his dice roll. Regardless of how "Bad" he is at it....it's cheating.

Your claims to the contrary...are ridiculous.

Your claims to the contrary...are ridiculous.

Which again gets us back to the "my lucky hat is cheating" argument.

If that's what you think.

If this sort of behavior is kosher with you I dunno what to say. Have fun with that I guess.

You've failed to provide any links or vids to help enforce your side of the arguement. I suppose you don't really have them.

All you say is that setting the dice won't work...but I don't see any studies or evidence...you just send me on a goose chase to attempt to waste my time.

If setting the dice influences this guys rolls EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST, and YOU'RE O.K with that....I suppose that's the game of X-Wing they're playing in your neck of the woods.

I've been competative wargaming for around 20 years. I've never seen this sort of behavior be cool anywhere.

You don't even have an arguement.

You don't even have an arguement.

If you say so. I've already made my argument in this thread, and feel no need to go and repeat everything I've already said just because you can't bother to read it, or look up something in google for yourself.

Oh please.

When you are arguing a point to try to get people see your point of view. YOU bring the info to THEM.

Sort of how it works in court you know. You don't tell the judge to go look at the fingerprints on the gun....you bring the evidence.

Don't imply that I"m the one here being lazy, it's quite the opposite.

Whatever....Have fun getting cheated.

When you are arguing a point to try to get people see your point of view. YOU bring the info to THEM.

And I've already made the argument more then enough times if you'd bother to go read it.

Besides even if dice setting could work with X-Wing dice, what the guy was doing was not setting. Even your own video proves that he wasn't doing it.

I dunno how you came to THAT conclusion....since what I see in the OP's video is very possible setting.

Like I said...no arguement.

Like I said...no arguement.

I agree, you have none. If you think what he did was the same thing as the video you posted, you not only don't have an argument you need to get your eyesight checked.

Uh-huh. Go get my eyes checked indeed.

Well, you're bordering on being insulting so....as I said before. Have fun with that.

...You've failed to provide any links or vids to help enforce your side of the arguement. I suppose you don't really have them.

All you say is that setting the dice won't work...but I don't see any studies or evidence...you just send me on a goose chase to attempt to waste my time...

While the U.S. Government is known to waste billions of dollars on highly dubious studies, I am pretty sure that it has not funded any studies to prove or disprove that people can learn to throw an 8-sided die such that the results are in any way predictable. (disclaimer - there are no studies or evidence the prove the validity of the preceding statement regarding studies of 8-sided die cheating)

I am going to go out on the common sense limb here and state for the record that I do not believe for 1 second that a person can drop a handfull of dice and get them to orient in a specific fashion. Especially as demonstrated in the video waaaaay back on page 1 in the OP. If you think this is remotely possible then you may need to lay off the super-hero cartoons and comics.

Where is that guy who gets threads closed via threats and such???

Whatever....Have fun getting cheated.

If someone was able to learn how to drop a bunch of 8-sided dice and get them to all land how he wants then I am going to go ahead and give him/her the win because that is just awesome. They deserve to win and, as a bonus, you got to see it for free!!

Maybe you just don't know how to roll dice and the other guy does...

we arent talking about craps where you throw your dice across the table.

What are you on about? Jeez.

You're just arguing to argue arent you?

Marked dice.

A pause. (Probably to look...we don't know, but if so implies setting dice)

and a toss...probably identical toss to others made, again, we don't know.

If the tosses are the same, and the pauses are to look at his marked dice. He is trying to influence his dice roll. Regardless of how "Bad" he is at it....it's cheating.

Your claims to the contrary...are ridiculous.

That's is an awful lot of "probablys". The truth is you have NO idea if he was cheating. You have NO idea if his dice were above average, average, or below average. And yet you are CERTAIN he's somehow cheating? That's really arrogant. Maybe he just rolls that way because that's how he was taught by his dead grandfather. The point is nobody knows for certain why he's rolling that way. We each have our own opinions, but that's all they are opinions.

If I had to guess, his dice were incredibly average over the course of his games (the peaks and valleys always even out over time). The OP probably saw an above average roll after he rolled in a way that seemed abnormal the OP. He saw a pattern and his mind and solidly believed that he rolled well because he rolled in an odd way. Our brains are highly susceptible to that sort of stuff. That is the entire reason that superstitions exist in the first place. Our brains are pattern finders, even when those patterns don't actually exist. One guy observes what he thought was a pattern related to good rolls, and now everyone else believes they see it too.

The TO, if called over should have asked what the last 10 roll results were. If no one knew, then nothing should have happened, if his last 10 rolls were documented, and they were above average the TO should stick around and continue to document the results. Data is really important if you are going to accuse someone of being a dice cheat. Being called a cheat is a pretty **** serious accusation in an community, let alone one as close knit as XWing. No one should be calling anyone a cheat without EVIDENCE to back it up. You may as well call someone a witch and burn them at the stake.

Wow, like I said earlier, dice setting alone does absolutely NOTHING! You can link all the janky videos you want.

When combined with a technique called "sector rolling", which is impossible on a flat surface without a right-angled wall. When those and other conditions are met, that's when special things can happen.

Doing this with eight-sided die, almost impossible. Actually, no, it is impossible.

maybe he is a sith and we just can't see what he has done to threaten the dice's family so they obey his commands

Anecdotes and 10 second video do not prove without any doubt that he was cheating.