My point remains it could be cheating whether it specifically says so in the rules or not.

Which I think any reasonable person would agree to, which why I don't think it's a question that needs to be addressed.

Now obviously I have answers to all of this, but it bears consideration.

It does. I think this would all fall under TO Discretion.

Now as far as the unpainted faces, the <crit> and <hit> sides are not the same really. It may not be easy to see, but they are different sizes. If you look at the picture on page 1 you can see the difference.

Also the rules do say that altering components is under the discretion of the TO. So if someone does mark a die, they could just ask the TO ahead of time if it's ok or not.

Even if it doesn't work if he's attempting to improve his odds, superstition or no, he is attempting to cheat. Any attempt to influence the RNG is an attempt to cheat.

So if I wear my lucky hat to the event I'm cheating?

Even if it doesn't work if he's attempting to improve his odds, superstition or no, he is attempting to cheat. Any attempt to influence the RNG is an attempt to cheat.

So if I wear my lucky hat to the event I'm cheating?

That's what it sounds like. I always unfocus my eyes and picture hits (or evades as the case may be) in my mind then roll. NEVER refocus the eyes until the dice stop. That's cheating too?

I just went through this topic in the rules forum last month. Look for "dice juggler".

Looking at how your dice are in your hand and throwing them in a consistant way is called dice setting (thank you KineticOperator for that one) and it is most certainly cheating.

Having marked dice is actualy covered in the rules. You are only allowed to have FFG approved supplies, including original game components, such as dice. The T.O. has final ruling on if it is admissable.

Just to further exacerbate the issue, maybe the guy just has kids.

On a more serious note - the handling is questionable, the mark is questionable, but I have serious doubts he had any control over the roll. Is he attempting to cheat, possibly. So the TO made a good call. Let's all move on.

I just went through this topic in the rules forum last month. Look for "dice juggler".

Looking at how your dice are in your hand and throwing them in a consistant way is called dice setting (thank you KineticOperator for that one) and it is most certainly cheating.

Having marked dice is actualy covered in the rules. You are only allowed to have FFG approved supplies, including original game components, such as dice. The T.O. has final ruling on if it is admissable.

So I have to not look at my dice and throw them differently every roll?

So I work in the gaming industry....I watched that video a few times. It is my opinion that he could not have been doing anything that would be considered "cheating". The dice simply rotate too many times in the air for him to have any real control.

It is common in craps for people who are superstitious to move the dice to a certain side before they roll, but it is not an advantage even though they think it is.

I am quite sure the marks on the dice are there to make sure he gets all his dice back at an event.

Also, if you still worry about this type of thing, get yourself a dice cup. It is nice to use anyway as the dice don't roll off of the table.

I decided to look a bit more into this dice setting, and from what I was able to find out, I'm not sure it would even work in X-Wing.

The whole idea is to get the dice to roll on a single axis, preferably one that has the fewest possible combo's that come up 7. So as the dice roll, they really do roll as if they were round rather then square, that means it should never land on the outside edges.

Part of the idea also is that the dice touch the back wall, but don't actually bounce off.

None of that really applies to 8 sided dice, or what was happening in the video.

His suspiciousness was the problem.

Even if it doesn't work if he's attempting to improve his odds, superstition or no, he is attempting to cheat. Any attempt to influence the RNG is an attempt to cheat.

So if I wear my lucky hat to the event I'm cheating?

That's what it sounds like. I always unfocus my eyes and picture hits (or evades as the case may be) in my mind then roll. NEVER refocus the eyes until the dice stop. That's cheating too?

If you actually believe that will make your dice more likely to land on hits and evades then are you not attempting to give yourself an unfair advantage over your opponent who is not using mind powers on the dice?

Idiosyncrasies and habits you don't truly believe influence the dice is one thing, but if you really, truly believe that's going to improve your rolls then you're attempting to skew the dice in your favour, no? Using your lucky set of FFG dice that have never failed you before isn't cheating because luck doesn't exist as a tangible force. Using a set of dice you've statistically proven roll more evades is consciously acting to give yourself an advantage.

So I have to not look at my dice and throw them differently every roll?

You have to not do things you think will unfairly improve your rolls.

At the end of the line, this person had no reason not to roll his dice normally, and anyone who objects when asked to is acting very suspiciously indeed.

If you actually believe that will make your dice more likely to land on hits and evades then are you not attempting to give yourself an unfair advantage over your opponent who is not using mind powers on the dice?

Idiosyncrasies and habits you don't truly believe influence the dice is one thing, but if you really, truly believe that's going to improve your rolls then you're attempting to skew the dice in your favour, no? Using your lucky set of FFG dice that have never failed you before isn't cheating because luck doesn't exist as a tangible force. Using a set of dice you've statistically proven roll more evades is consciously acting to give yourself an advantage.

Not sure if serious...

At the end of the line, this person had no reason not to roll his dice normally, and anyone who objects when asked to is acting very suspiciously indeed.

Define rolling normally...

Do you not know how to roll dice conventionally or are we playing semantics now?

If someone consciously uses a dice rolling technique that you believe significantly impairs the randomness of the results to their advantage, they are attempting to cheat. If they are not attempting to cheat, why would they object to measures intended to ensure the fairness of the dice (TO giving new dice, swapping dice for that game, rolling dice conventionally, et cetera)?

Do you not know how to roll dice conventionally or are we playing semantics now?

I know how I roll, but you're the one claiming that there's some standard that everyone needs to abide by.

Myself I'm pretty much ok with any method that causes the dice to bounce, roll or otherwise change what side is up, after it contacts the table. Which is what happened in the video the OP posted by the way...

ya, that is the funny thing about this thread. The way he rolled the dice, they rotated in the air about 5 times, and then bounced on the table a few more. What else can he do?

ya, that is the funny thing about this thread. The way he rolled the dice, they rotated in the air about 5 times, and then bounced on the table a few more. What else can he do?

Of course they did. He was being recorded. If he's honest that's his technique, if he's dishonest he'd attempt to make it look less shifty in the recording.

Myself I'm pretty much ok with any method that causes the dice to bounce, roll or otherwise change what side is up, after it contacts the table. Which is what happened in the video the OP posted by the way...

Provided they are given sufficient time and space to do so such that they are wholly unpredictable to both players. How you get those dice into the air and spinning doesn't matter provided you don't attempt to influence the result. Personal preference on how to roll dice is one thing, but legal techniques should still have the same probability of each result: there is no advantage or disadvantage to a different technique. If there is and you use a technique knowing it improves your dice results, then are you not attempting to improve your rolls via dishonest methodology?

If a player is using a funky technique and they're getting very good rolls from it, that's suspect but possible the dice gods are simply with them. If when asked not to use that technique they object, that's very suspect.

So I have to not look at my dice and throw them differently every roll?

If you looked at your dice once or twice, no. If you look at your dice, jiggle them in your hand until you are satisfied with what you see, then roll them, I would ask you to either roll different dice or use a dice cup/tower.

Maybe he was using the force...

Iam not sure if the guy cheated there and iam no fan of any kind of cheating and cheating the dice gods is one horrible mistake u can evr make it will occur blank rolling for the rest of ure life if u dont respect the DICE GODS !!!.

well iam known for this: if a dice falls out of my hand while shaking i put it back to my hand even if it was a crit, hit, focus or blank. cause i have this urge to throw em all at once and many do respect this. iam not sure if thats declared as cheating or not. iam playin 40k and hteres nothing more satisfying as throwing 60 dices at once !!!

Iam not sure if the guy cheated there and iam no fan of any kind of cheating and cheating the dice gods is one horrible mistake u can evr make it will occur blank rolling for the rest of ure life if u dont respect the DICE GODS !!!.

well iam known for this: if a dice falls out of my hand while shaking i put it back to my hand even if it was a crit, hit, focus or blank. cause i have this urge to throw em all at once and many do respect this. iam not sure if thats declared as cheating or not. iam playin 40k and hteres nothing more satisfying as throwing 60 dices at once !!!

Believing in dice gods by Lagomorphia's logic is cheating...

Shots fired.

This is an internet discussion, there's no need to get angry over it. What I said is that attempting to bias the dice in your favour is not in the mentality of fair play, however you attempt to bias them. If you > genuinely < believe you're improving your rolls and compromising the randomness of the dice by doing something, why are you doing it if not to grant yourself an unfair advantage?

I am always attempting to use my mind powers to make the dice rolls land in my favor. I make deals with the devil, sacrifice a goat to the dice gods, I shame my dice that fail me on critical rolls and punish them so they know to never betray me again. So I am cheating because I want the odds of the dice to be in my favor? In a competitive setting I assume that everyone wants there dice to go great and mine to do bad.

The power of the Dice God's compel you!

I am always attempting yo use my mind powers to make the dice rolls land in my favor. I make deals with the devil, sacrifice a goat to the dice gods, I shame my dice that fail me on critical rolls and punish them so they know to never betray me again. So I am cheating because I want the odds of the dice to be in my favor?

If you want your dice to have better statistical chances of rolling natural hits than your opponent's dice then you want an unfair game, no? If your dice give hits 70% of the time and your opponent's give hits 50% of the time, is that a fair game?

Heck yeah I want my dice to hit better than my opponents. If whenever I roll the dice and yell "booga booga" and only natural crits come up on any dice then I deserve to use my voodoo.