Only one edge marked.

Shakes them, looks at them, slams them, is what the OP says. That's shifty, and the only reason to be shifty is to cheat.

If he weren't trying to cheat he'd have no reason to mark his dice or use funky techniques.

Marking your dice so you know which ones are yours. If only some of them are marked then perhaps yes you have an issue.

Funky techniques? He shakes the dice in his hand a couple times then flips his hand over letting them hit the table, at which point they bounce around. That sounds a lot like how I roll my dice.

Sure he looks at them before flipping his hand, but given the action of the dice after the flip I don't see how there is any control on his part on what they land on.

You might want to do some research and re-evaluate this position.

Only one edge marked.

I'd only mark one edge if I wanted to be able to tell mine from someone else, but perhaps he tested them and found out the flaw in the dice allowed them to land a given way if a given edge was up when he flipped.

But again that's at least as much FFG's fault for faulty dice as anything.

Shakes them, looks at them, slams them, is what the OP says.

That might be what the OP said, but that's not what happened in the video he posted.

As it is, the FFG dice are horrible. Look at the crystal dice from the Regionals. See all those bubbles? That throws off the uniformity.

I would be willing to bet the Chinese factory that made the opaque dice had the same production standards that the crystal dice had. I also posit if you cut an opaque die in half it will be full of bubbles.

My dice are weighted poorly, and tend to roll blanks a lot. I think I will actually do some serious testing, rolling them a couple hundred times and counting the faces that come up. I am willing to bet that the blanks come up more that 25% of the time.

So if that is possible, I believe its possible for dice to be weighted poorly but with the tendency to roll hits or evades. Id be willing to bet he found a set of those and maximized his chances by "rolling" in a particular way.

What I want to know is if we can find a place to order custom precision dice. I want to make good dice for xwing.

If it's a serious concern for you, use the X-wing dice app.

I assume that's tourny legal? It's FFG's product...

You might want to do some research and re-evaluate this position.

I know about dice rolling methods to help you. But those always involve controlling the way the dice land on the table and how much movement you get once they land.

Edit: But like was said above, the TO handled it correctly, if there's any question about dice, then they should get a new set that both sides use.

Because of the distinct advantage you get from it.

The rules don't say anything about marked dice. So it's not cheating no matter what anyone's opinion on the matter is.

Ridiculous. There are any number of situations not explicitly covered by the rules that are disallowed by social convention (punching your opponent in the face for example). If he has a rolling system that uses marked dice to give him higher percentages, it IS cheating.

As it is, the FFG dice are horrible. Look at the crystal dice from the Regionals. See all those bubbles? That throws off the uniformity.

I would be willing to bet the Chinese factory that made the opaque dice had the same production standards that the crystal dice had. I also posit if you cut an opaque die in half it will be full of bubbles.

My dice are weighted poorly, and tend to roll blanks a lot. I think I will actually do some serious testing, rolling them a couple hundred times and counting the faces that come up. I am willing to bet that the blanks come up more that 25% of the time.

So if that is possible, I believe its possible for dice to be weighted poorly but with the tendency to roll hits or evades. Id be willing to bet he found a set of those and maximized his chances by "rolling" in a particular way.

What I want to know is if we can find a place to order custom precision dice. I want to make good dice for xwing.

Chessex will do custom dice. the more you order the cheaper it gets but I think it starts at 75 cents a die.

As it is, the FFG dice are horrible. Look at the crystal dice from the Regionals. See all those bubbles? That throws off the uniformity.

I would be willing to bet the Chinese factory that made the opaque dice had the same production standards that the crystal dice had. I also posit if you cut an opaque die in half it will be full of bubbles.

My dice are weighted poorly, and tend to roll blanks a lot. I think I will actually do some serious testing, rolling them a couple hundred times and counting the faces that come up. I am willing to bet that the blanks come up more that 25% of the time.

So if that is possible, I believe its possible for dice to be weighted poorly but with the tendency to roll hits or evades. Id be willing to bet he found a set of those and maximized his chances by "rolling" in a particular way.

What I want to know is if we can find a place to order custom precision dice. I want to make good dice for xwing.

Chessex will do custom dice. the more you order the cheaper it gets but I think it starts at 75 cents a die.

It's too bad FFG won't allow third party dice at tournaments, but I like where your head's at.

As it is, the FFG dice are horrible. Look at the crystal dice from the Regionals. See all those bubbles? That throws off the uniformity.

I would be willing to bet the Chinese factory that made the opaque dice had the same production standards that the crystal dice had. I also posit if you cut an opaque die in half it will be full of bubbles.

My dice are weighted poorly, and tend to roll blanks a lot. I think I will actually do some serious testing, rolling them a couple hundred times and counting the faces that come up. I am willing to bet that the blanks come up more that 25% of the time.

So if that is possible, I believe its possible for dice to be weighted poorly but with the tendency to roll hits or evades. Id be willing to bet he found a set of those and maximized his chances by "rolling" in a particular way.

What I want to know is if we can find a place to order custom precision dice. I want to make good dice for xwing.

If it's a serious concern for you, use the X-wing dice app.

I assume that's tourny legal? It's FFG's product...

If he has a rolling system that uses marked dice to give him higher percentages, it IS cheating.

But if we go by your logic, then if your local group decided that Tie Phantoms are OP'ed and not allowed that could very well mean someone coming to the store with a phantom list is cheating...

Pretty much everything is under the TO's discretion, so if you think the guy is using bad dice or cheating someway have the TO check it out. But even if the TO does act that isn't grounds for expelling someone, unless the TO can prove the dice were altered in some way.

genuinely curious about this, myself. I've got an ipad, so it should be nice and visible too.

The dice app is legal, from the Rules PDF.

If the Star Wars Dice app is used, the app must be displayed in full view of both players at all times.

If he has a rolling system that uses marked dice to give him higher percentages, it IS cheating.

Your unwritten rules are not part of the official document. So it's not cheating by any definition of the word. Punching someone however is actually covered under the poor sportsmanship rules.

But if we go by your logic, then if your local group decided that Tie Phantoms are OP'ed and not allowed that could very well mean someone coming to the store with a phantom list is cheating...

Pretty much everything is under the TO's discretion, so if you think the guy is using bad dice or cheating someway have the TO check it out. But even if the TO does act that isn't grounds for expelling someone, unless the TO can prove the dice were altered in some way.

Is it cheating to put dice on the table and say that is your roll? Because that is the argument you are trying to prop up. There's nothing defining a "roll" or the mechanic of said "roll" in the Tourney rules. So which is it?

Edit: The dice were altered. They were marked. And that IS illegal under Tourney rules.

Is it cheating to put dice on the table and say that is your roll?

I never said such a thing. In fact I've said a number of times that simply putting the dice on the table is not what was done in the video the OP posted.

Is it cheating to put dice on the table and say that is your roll?

I never said such a thing. In fact I've said a number of times that simply putting the dice on the table is not what was done in the video the OP posted.

True, but you also said that if it wasn't explicitly in the rules that it wasn't illegal. Let me put it another way, if the video had in fact showed him just putting them on the table would that be cheating? Because that is the convention you are railing against.

Attempting to influence the results of a die roll in any way is CHEATING. And anyone that wants to believe otherwise is welcome to play at any table besides mine. I mean c'mon, cheating at a plastic spaceship game? Not a good look bro.

If he has a rolling system that uses marked dice to give him higher percentages, it IS cheating.

Your unwritten rules are not part of the official document. So it's not cheating by any definition of the word. Punching someone however is actually covered under the poor sportsmanship rules.

But if we go by your logic, then if your local group decided that Tie Phantoms are OP'ed and not allowed that could very well mean someone coming to the store with a phantom list is cheating...

Pretty much everything is under the TO's discretion, so if you think the guy is using bad dice or cheating someway have the TO check it out. But even if the TO does act that isn't grounds for expelling someone, unless the TO can prove the dice were altered in some way.

This is nothing like the Phantom. The Phantom adds a new element to the game and has been sanctioned by FFG. You're arguing that subversion of the random element that underlies game mechanics should be allowed because it is "not specifically banned".

By the way, I looked back at the tourney rules and couldn't find where a punch to the face is specifically banned. But I also found a sentence that you might find interesting:

It doesn't look like he is cheating from that video. I mean he throws the dice up and they come down and roll a bit. The OP kind of described the way he was rolling a bit differently so thats what the confustion is. The marked die is fishy though. Honestly, I believe that each player should share one set of dice in a tournament setting. Thats the only way to allow for sameness when it comes to the dice.

Let me put it another way, if the video had in fact showed him just putting them on the table would that be cheating?

Yes because that would fall under the sportsmanship issue, plus as I said a few times now, even if it wasn't the TO could still step in.

But putting a mark on your dice is not against the rules. As long as the mark isn't used to somehow influence the dice. Like covering up the hole you drilled in them.

If I were to mark my dice so I could tell which one were mine, I'd put a small dot on one face of each dice. Then I'd be able to quickly and easily figure it they were mine or not.

The problem here however, is everyone has started with the assumption that the guy was cheating, and so everything he did was geared towards that end. I however didn't assume that.

Attempting to influence the results of a die roll in any way is CHEATING.

Really? So if I believe that 3 shakes, pause, 3 shakes then roll gives me better odds of getting a good roll, then I'm cheating?

"Doesn't look like cheating" is why these types of things aren't called till a semi final or final or maybe not at all. If you are looking at the dice in your hand before rolling in order to situate them to a specific orientation, then you are doing do to influence the outcome of said dice roll and that is CHEATING. Not that hard to suss out folks.

and marked dice rolling systems.

Prove that he marked the dice as a means to control the outcome and you'll have a point. But unless you can do that, you're assuming he marked them for the sake of cheating.

Let me put it another way, if the video had in fact showed him just putting them on the table would that be cheating?

Yes because that would fall under the sportsmanship issue, plus as I said a few times now, even if it wasn't the TO could still step in.

But putting a mark on your dice is not against the rules. As long as the mark isn't used to somehow influence the dice. Like covering up the hole you drilled in them.

If I were to mark my dice so I could tell which one were mine, I'd put a small dot on one face of each dice. Then I'd be able to quickly and easily figure it they were mine or not.

The problem here however, is everyone has started with the assumption that the guy was cheating, and so everything he did was geared towards that end. I however didn't assume that.

Attempting to influence the results of a die roll in any way is CHEATING.

Really? So if I believe that 3 shakes, pause, 3 shakes then roll gives me better odds of getting a good roll, then I'm cheating?

If you have a system to roll that gives you an over-statistical-average of rolling hits and you roll the dice that way the YES you are CHEATING. If you simply "believe" that thinking of a certain song while you roll helps you out than by all means do it, as there is no factual evidence that your brain song helps you.

"Doesn't look like cheating" is why these types of things aren't called till a semi final or final or maybe not at all.

Look I'm not saying that you and Droofus don't have a point. It's completely possible that the guy the OP is taking about is in fact cheating. Or at least attempting to cheat. Magicians can do some pretty amazing things and you'll never figure out how.

So yes, maybe the guy did figure out how to make the flaws in his dice work for him, and marked them accordingly. But that's not proven. Given the way the dice bounce and roll after the flip, it doesn't look like he can have much control over the outcome. It's not like he simply slaps them down on the table and they flip once or not at all.

Maybe he's cheating, maybe he just thinks having them on a given side improves his odds. You'd have to test is dice before you could say for sure which is true. But frankly a lot of you have decided that the guy in the OP's video is guilty with no real evidence to support that.

Let me put it another way, if the video had in fact showed him just putting them on the table would that be cheating?

Yes because that would fall under the sportsmanship issue, plus as I said a few times now, even if it wasn't the TO could still step in.

But putting a mark on your dice is not against the rules. As long as the mark isn't used to somehow influence the dice. Like covering up the hole you drilled in them.

If I were to mark my dice so I could tell which one were mine, I'd put a small dot on one face of each dice. Then I'd be able to quickly and easily figure it they were mine or not.

The problem here however, is everyone has started with the assumption that the guy was cheating, and so everything he did was geared towards that end. I however didn't assume that.

Attempting to influence the results of a die roll in any way is CHEATING.

Really? So if I believe that 3 shakes, pause, 3 shakes then roll gives me better odds of getting a good roll, then I'm cheating?

Claiming that setting your dice on the table is a "sportsmanship issue" and that marking your dice and rolling them in an unusual way to positively affect the outcome for you isn't a "sportsmanship issue" then you and I have two very different ideas of what constitutes a "sportsmanship issue".

"Doesn't look like cheating" is why these types of things aren't called till a semi final or final or maybe not at all.

Look I'm not saying that you and Droofus don't have a point. It's completely possible that the guy the OP is taking about is in fact cheating. Or at least attempting to cheat. Magicians can do some pretty amazing things and you'll never figure out how.

So yes, maybe the guy did figure out how to make the flaws in his dice work for him, and marked them accordingly. But that's not proven. Given the way the dice bounce and roll after the flip, it doesn't look like he can have much control over the outcome. It's not like he simply slaps them down on the table and they flip once or not at all.

Maybe he's cheating, maybe he just thinks having them on a given side improves his odds. You'd have to test is dice before you could say for sure which is true. But frankly a lot of you have decided that the guy in the OP's video is guilty with no real evidence to support that.

The video and pictures of the marked dice are pretty good evidence, no? Assuming it's the same person then I'd say it's pretty clear.

I absolutely hate dice cheats. I am not trying to offend you Vanor as I genuinely appreciate your posts, but there are some serious dice techniques out there that would blow your mind. As your point about magicians reveal, there are some things you are ok with not knowing. Not everyone is like that. I personally know people that can roll a D6 on the same face 100 times in a row. I'm not saying this guy has anywhere near that level of skill, but even a little skill, or even attempting to use that skill in a competitive match is cheating.

Because of the distinct advantage you get from it.

The rules don't say anything about marked dice. So it's not cheating no matter what anyone's opinion on the matter is.

I do want you to consider your statement here and in other forums about things not being cheating if they aren't covered in the rules.

I am an economist by trade, and I am paid to think outside the box. So forgive me if this is odd, but read on:

A baseball coach comes up with a pick-off play for a runner on third base. He tells his catcher to put a baked potato in his back pocket and after he catches the next pitch, to throw the potato over the third baseman's head into left field. So it happens and the runner thinks the ball has been thrown into left field. The runner sprints home, but is tagged out by the waiting catcher with the ball. The umpire rules that the play was considered cheating and sends the runner back to third. The coach comes out of the dugout with the rule book and says "Wait a second. Show me in the rule book where it says my catcher can't throw a potato into left field."

A TO, like an umpire, is sometimes required to rule on things not in the rule books. It could be ruled as cheating.

Want an x-wing example?

How about if I bring a giant 2 square foot die for my single falcon agility dice? I hold it strategically so it rolls off my arms and thuds on the table (without toppling over) as an evade. Would you consider that as cheating, even though the rules don't say anything about that? Of course you would, and you should.

then you and I have two very different ideas of what constitutes a "sportsmanship issue".

Nope, I'd say that if someone is using a method to control the dice, a number of which you can watch Youtube videos for, is in fact an issue of poor sportsmanship.

However my point and perhaps this got lost, is that the mere act of marking your dice is not. Not unless the mark is intended to be used as part of the method of controlling the dice.

The video and pictures of the marked dice are pretty good evidence, no?

No honestly I don't think so. Not given how much bouncing the dice do after the fact. I'd say that it's questionable, and that the TO should of gotten involved. But I'd hardly call the video and picture conclusive evidence of cheating.