7. Another idea they had was to play as a Rogue Trader party comprised of all xenon players, on a space hulk, escaping the now-unbeatable Imperium of Man into a neighboring galaxy. Which, for me, will be an even grander endeavor...

That's funny. A group of my friends want to play Corsair Eldar in RT, and be against the IoM. Anyhoot, I wish you and your players many fruitful adventures.

Errant, it's never been relevant and I can't imagine it ever would be. It's just something in the back of my mind...just in case.

Errant, it's never been relevant and I can't imagine it ever would be. It's just something in the back of my mind...just in case.

However, it might be relevant for Crystal Geyser's group. I mean, think back to all the old folk legends we have. Hercules, King Arthur, Merlin, Robin Hood, Prester John, Fountain of Youth, Atlantis, etc etc. Same could be said for the Emperor. Maybe he was an evil prick, bent on conquering everything, and Horus was actually a savior and killed while trying to stop him. Puts a nice twist of things, IMO.

@Erathia,

It's very clear to me that you've taken a lot of time to seriously consider how the endeavor might realistically be achieved. For this reason, I ask you whether you have any possible solutions t the questions you have posed me.

To others,

Regarding the Imprrium after the campaign - well. If we were to do the Xenos campaign, it would be fleeing from the now technologically revolutionized and extremely zealous imperium with its emperor. Alternatively , other campaigns centering on other factions in the new order could be explored. Alternatively., maybe our next campaign will just take place long before any of this ever happens.

@Erathia,

It's very clear to me that you've taken a lot of time to seriously consider how the endeavor might realistically be achieved. For this reason, I ask you whether you have any possible solutions t the questions you have posed me.

I'm a big fan of the 40K Lore, so I'll once again re-iterate that as long as your players are having fun, then tell the story the way that you want to tell it and if everyone's enjoying it, then run with your ideas.

From my perspective, I think this endeavour shouldn't work just because I'm not sold on the idea that this chamber would work on either Guilliman or the Emperor. Which would still be galaxy-changing, but definitely in the terrible way. So I can really only give you advice up to a certain point.

The first thing I notice is your player do what mine do a lot, and come up with a plan that involves lying at every possible opportunity to everyone, when a little bit of honesty would get them what they want. Their objectives are to capture technology from Commorragh, and they will do this by utilizing revolutionary warp technology. I would have their first move be to seek an alliance with the Adeptus Mechancius because they have the best toys inside of the Imperium, and conquering an ancient civilization run on technology. Have your players start out by raiding one of the other Dark Eldar strongholds in the Imperium (refer to the Soul Reaver) for ideas, to prove the viability of what they're offering.

The AdMech would have the most advanced technology, and a full Explorator fleet would dwarf a Space Marine chapter. Once they're sold, you turn it into a crusade and pull in other Space Marine chapters especially the Ultramarines. Assuming Commorragh is conquered, you would then be real heroes of the Imperium, and could very easily parlay that into being allowed to tour the most important sites of the Imperium, including Ultramar. From there you perform Grand Theft Guilliman, and proceed with things as planned.

At which point I would reveal that Guilliman has been dead all along, and the stasis field was just a delusion put on for the masses. So the plan falls apart. But people can't have everything.

Given Dark Eldar can resurrect things from just a few cells why bother with the full scale invasion of Commorragh? Why not steal a few cells from the Guilliman (because it will be just that simple) and then infiltrate Commorragh (again should be child's play ) and attempt resurrect Guilliman without stealling all of him?

That way if you fail you might have the opportunity to try again... Or you might just end up as Grotesques.

Given Dark Eldar can resurrect things from just a few cells why bother with the full scale invasion of Commorragh? Why not steal a few cells from the Guilliman (because it will be just that simple) and then infiltrate Commorragh (again should be child's play ) and attempt resurrect Guilliman without stealling all of him?

That way if you fail you might have the opportunity to try again... Or you might just end up as Grotesques.

Because Guilliman is stored inside of a stasis field that can't be switched off without resulting in his death (theoretically). You'd have to switch it off to get those cells. Thus resulting in the largest and most powerful Space Marine chapters after them.

As a further contribution to my old man complaining: I think that Eldar can regenerate themselves this way because of how their souls are much more innately psychic than anything else, so they survive the destruction of their bodies better than anyone else.

If the chambers worked without the soul link that way then a Dark Eldar could just clone themselves endlessly with one of these chambers.

Because Guilliman is stored inside of a stasis field that can't be switched off without resulting in his death (theoretically). You'd have to switch it off to get those cells. Thus resulting in the largest and most powerful Space Marine chapters after them.

As a further contribution to my old man complaining: I think that Eldar can regenerate themselves this way because of how their souls are much more innately psychic than anything else, so they survive the destruction of their bodies better than anyone else.

If the chambers worked without the soul link that way then a Dark Eldar could just clone themselves endlessly with one of these chambers.

Isn't that ideal?

Resurrecting the Emperor? If there is one that that will destroy the Imperium it's this.

first of lets ignore a few things for now:

Let's ignore wether resurecting the emperor will negativly affect the astronomican or not.

Let's ignore that him comming back will split the imperium into those who believe he's back and those that don't or believe it's a chaos trick.

Let's focus on wether or not he'll be happy to be back. After all when he was alive he made it very clear he did not want to be worshiped. the man ordered a space marine legion to tear down and nuke an entire city because the populace was singing his praises. And now he has a whole religion based around him? The ecclesiarchy wont know what hit them!

E: "So what have you guys been doing for the past 10.000 years that i was gone?"

priest: "praying to you of course, my lord!"

E: "WOT?"

That little dialogue will either end with the emperor saing "sod it, i'm going back on the throne" or him unleashing the space wolves on the ecclesiarchy.

Or maybe he'll just die of dissapointment whe sees the sorry state the imperium is in during the 41st millenium.

The eastern fringe getting eaten by tyranids, Necron's waking up, all scientific progress stopped dead and fast pedalling backwards, all his loyal sons dead or missing and the same traitors that stood outside his gates still draw breath 10.000 later.

and also:

E: "Guillimaaaan! what did you do to my legions!"

Or maybe he'll just die of dissapointment whe sees the sorry state the imperium is in during the 41st millenium.

The eastern fringe getting eaten by tyranids, Necron's waking up, all scientific progress stopped dead and fast pedalling backwards, all his loyal sons dead or missing and the same traitors that stood outside his gates still draw breath 10.000 later.

Or his horror that you woke him up when his plan was going so well up to this point. Sure we don't understand it, but that's from the perspective of omniscient lore nerds historians who can browse through the timeline at will. Such as it is.

1) Stasis chamber is switched off.

2) Guilliman dies (or was already dead).

3) A generous hunk of genetic material is taken then statis chamber is turned back on.

4) No-one can tell the difference between an almost dead primarch in stasis and a dead primarch in stasis.

5) Now that Guilliman is dead his soul is free to be crammed back into the body recreated from the cells taken.

6) Profit?

This isn't too bad a plan. Guilliman's shrine is probably the #2 pilgrimage site in the Imperium, but you could always fake a Tyranid invasion to clear that area out. Or actually create a Tyranid invasion for that extra verisimilitude.

The way I figure it best case scenario is that Guilliman stays dead, and then they put him back in stasis and never talk about this again. Denial has worked wonders for the Salmanders after all this time, why not the Ultramarines too?

Lorgar suspects this whole church of the divine emperor was his plan all along.

And "realms of chaos: the lost and the damned" mentions that the Emperor actual does exists as a god like entity called the Starchild. Not sure if thats still canon or GW has retconned it by now...

So maybe he did have a plan...

Still, dissing Lorgar and "rescuing" Angron were some pretty stupid descisions.

Lorgar suspects this whole church of the divine emperor was his plan all along.

And "realms of chaos: the lost and the damned" mentions that the Emperor actual does exists as a god like entity called the Starchild. Not sure if thats still canon or GW has retconned it by now...

So maybe he did have a plan...

Still, dissing Lorgar and "rescuing" Angron were some pretty stupid descisions.

The Emperor made a bunch of really terrible decisions that the latest Horus Heresy books has been pointing out and calling attention to. Malcador laments the decision that they didn't take time to explain themselves to the Primarchs, and also that the Emperor didn't make all of the Primarchs female. Given that the Emperor has to die for the Star Child theory to be tested, it's as legitimate as everything else. The books are also pretty clearly indicating that the Emperor views fighting endlessly in the Golden Throne as key to mankind's eventual victory, and that he knows the Horus Heresy is going to end with his "death".

He also gave Perturabo eyes that could always see the Eye of Terror. I'm sure that was really helpful.

Wouldn't it be easier to get a DNA sample of the Emperor and just trade whole sector worth of slaves for this DE ressurection thing?

It's basically an exploration challange, followed by a slaight of hand roll and aquisitionl

Unless you plan to scrounge up ancient Rogue Trader Warrants, or other documents that the Emperor signed with his own blood, getting that sample is going to be the hardest thing. You want to face the Terran fleet, get through, face the numerous, land-based defenses, infiltrate the Emperor's Palace, get past all the "makes Space Marines look like punks" Adeptus Custodes, then get that one big door open, face down the Companions, who might make the "regular" Custodes look like punks, and the Titans said to guard the Throne, and then approach the Emperor's mummy, and hack off a bit? Oh, and then you plan to escape? Assuming that the proximity to the Emperor doesn't obliterate you (I don't care how much "the Emperor has no power left" you toss, in his immediate vicinity, he can rend souls, demolish senses, and even commune, if needed, with Sisters of Silence, like Alicia Dominica , so I think He could put a stop to you, if all that other crap couldn't.

Finding a separate sample? Depending on how much you need, various sources have made it their mission to eliminate samples of His blood, to prevent meddling jerks from doing something like this. Depending on what you believe about the Grey Knights, their gene-seed MIGHT have some, but it might also be a mix of several other Primarchs, who didn't fall to Chaos. So, getting some of the Emperor to do this, as it hasn't already been done, should be a HUGE endeavor.

But not so huge as doing all the above plus stealing Guilliman.

As to the Emperor: if he can defend himself than its basically game over. Heh - we can even assume that his stats should include infinite fate points.

To the point: through last 10k years there were some audiences with him (not counting huge number of going-to-be Astropaths being hoarded before him). I guess ones who get the chance to see him in person are carefully checked for signs of corruptions, so OP group may have a problem here. Thinking about this, maybe bringing back a primarch is a good idea. You can than brain wash him (which shoud still be easier than taking Palace be force) to do some familiy meeting with his papa. There's a chance that Custodes will be shocked enough to just let him.

Diffrent aproach would include:

1. getting your own Companion (Grey Knights are ones being incorruptable) to do the job or

2. some Goge Vandire the Second so you can defeat him and earn small tête-à-tête with big E or

3. Star Child.

IMHO all aformentioned are easier than GTA 40K: Guilliman and Siege of Terra II.

"What? The people are worshipping me? I didn't want that. I'm a pretty humble guy that just wanted to give Humanity a chance at survivial in a dog-eat-dog galaxy chock full of alien horrors that want nothing more than to enslave, torture, and exterminate all human life. I don't want people falling back into some primitive religious trance over anything, let alone me. They need to strive for the type of enlightenment only knowledge can bring, not spend their time contemplating how another person has managed that better than they. That's wasteful of their time and effort.

Kill them all."

Yeah i honestly see the Emperor at the point of Resurrection being so pissed off at all that has happened and at the interruption of his maintaining of the Astronomican that he involuntarily detonates a psychic nuke that kills off most of humanity within thousands of light years of Terra... He'd then, if not pounced upon in his newly weakened state by the Ruinous Powers, would then set out to find and re-unite the remaining loyalist primarchs, slay the traitors, and begin a new crusade to reclaim what is left of the human race and wipe out all the Xenos empires that have risen since his internment (Thinking mainly Tau, Eldar(both types) and Orks but pretty much anything not human that crosses his path).

The Emperor after being informed on the state of the imperium:

"Nghggnhh.. Okay.. Okay, get me a cup of recaff and let's try this again. This time i'll make 48 legions! they can't all fall to chaos right?"

I would be massivly dissapointed if his response was : "****, Lorgar was right..."

All of these things will occur, and more.

Fascinating thread especially since I only recognise a quarter of the characters/locations/things being metnioned but fascinating nonetheless.

That being said I do have a few questions:

Is it stated somewhere that the Emperor has no clue as to the current state of the Imperium? I thought (and I am probably wrong given my lack of Warhammer knowledge) that the Emperor was at least generally aware of the current state of the Imperium inside that Golden Throne of his. So he would probably know about people worshipping him and his empire going to pot...

Also given the Astronomicon, would the Emperor actually want to LEAVE the Golden Throne? Note: I am not saying ressurecting him is a bad idea but even if you ressurect him he might just very well plonk himself back in the Golden Throne and instead start giving orders from it, perhaps to this Robert fellow? Which would result in a very thorough house cleaning of Terra I imagin for a start.

For years after his enternement on the golden throne the emperor was capable of speaking with his subjects and later lapsed into silence. (this depends on wich novel and version of the fluff) But think about this: have they been telling the emperor everything?

Would you like to be the one to tell mr. no-worshiping-anything that he now has his own church?

While im no expert, it's been hinted at that resurecting the emperor might at least temporarly affect the astronomican in a bad way.

M41. 00.00 h. The Emperor is resurected.

00.01: the astronomican dims. All Navigators in the warp instantly loose all bearing to the direction of Terra.

00.32: The astronomican re-ignites.

00.33: Every Astropath in the galaxy goes into convulsions with white light pouring from their eyes

00.34: Every astropath speaks the same words in unison all across the galaxy: " I'M BAAAAAAAAACK!!!"

For years after his enternement on the golden throne the emperor was capable of speaking with his subjects and later lapsed into silence. (this depends on wich novel and version of the fluff) But think about this: have they been telling the emperor everything?

Would you like to be the one to tell mr. no-worshiping-anything that he now has his own church?

While im no expert, it's been hinted at that resurecting the emperor might at least temporarly affect the astronomican in a bad way.

It's hard to say. The Adeptus Custodes have theoretically been fighting the forces of Chaos shoulder-to-shoulder with the Emperor since that whole Golden Throne incident, and when they're rotated out they could bring news. They did bring the precursors of the Sister of Battle to meet with Him as well, and presumably something happened there.

In the Inquisition Wars, Jaq Draco does manage to gain an audience with the Emperor to inform him of what's going on in the Imperium, but who knows if that was canon.

For years after his enternement on the golden throne the emperor was capable of speaking with his subjects and later lapsed into silence. (this depends on wich novel and version of the fluff) But think about this: have they been telling the emperor everything?

Would you like to be the one to tell mr. no-worshiping-anything that he now has his own church?

While im no expert, it's been hinted at that resurecting the emperor might at least temporarly affect the astronomican in a bad way.

M41. 00.00 h. The Emperor is resurected.

00.01: the astronomican dims. All Navigators in the warp instantly loose all bearing to the direction of Terra.

00.32: The astronomican re-ignites.

00.33: Every Astropath in the galaxy goes into convulsions with white light pouring from their eyes

00.34: Every astropath speaks the same words in unison all across the galaxy: " I'M BAAAAAAAAACK!!!"

Well I wouldn't like to tell him that but I am assuming all the current Imp peeps believe that he does want his own church so I can very well imagine them being in for a rude shock.

Also love the "I'M BAAAAAAAAACK!!!" bit.

has anyone else seen the " The Emperor gets a text to speech device" series on youtube yet?

It's hard to say. The Adeptus Custodes have theoretically been fighting the forces of Chaos shoulder-to-shoulder with the Emperor since that whole Golden Throne incident, and when they're rotated out they could bring news. They did bring the precursors of the Sister of Battle to meet with Him as well, and presumably something happened there.

In the Inquisition Wars, Jaq Draco does manage to gain an audience with the Emperor to inform him of what's going on in the Imperium, but who knows if that was canon.

Ah yeah that's right. Good call!, Guess the emperor only responds if its a massive emergency. Like that event with the brides of the emperor: High lord Goge Van Dire (ok who chose the guy named "van dire" to rule the imperium?) going nuts effing up the emperium left and right to the point that several SPACE MARINE CHAPTERS were planning to INVADE TERRA. you know you done effed up good when several chapters want you dead!

That book has a Sq*at character in it, so i very much doubt it. Still a great trilogy none the less.