So, this may be a stupid question, but what is the stance on copied cards? Are they considered taboo, or acceptable? The question was raised in my gaming group recently, based on the only way to get some cards at the moment is to purchase opposite faction expansions... Unless FFG plans to release packs of upgrades. It's easy enough to build lists using all of the cards from the app, but for the purpose of having your squad open and visible to your opponents...

They aren't legal for tournament play, but in a game among your friends they would be fine...

FFG requires the actual card for tournament play. You could borrow for a tournament as well.. but the actual card must be used, no proxie.

For friendly games, have fun. Proxy cards or photocopy them. Make up cards if you want. As long as the two players are cool with it, you are good to go.

For any level of competitive play, though, you need the actual cards. Once the word 'Tournament' is in play, you can't proxy, unfortunately.

That's what I thought. And was the basic result of our conversation. Just wanted the outside view. Thanks for the input, much appreciated.

They aren't legal for tournament play, but in a game among your friends they Could be fine...

FFG requires the actual card for tournament play. You could borrow for a tournament as well.. but the actual card must be used, no proxie.

Fixed that for you.

While the chance of proxies being accepted in games among your friends is high it is NOT guaranteed nor should it actually be expected unless agree upon before hand. I'll also mention that if you force play with actual cards you may use some upgrades that normally wouldn't see use and learn how they work and maybe even find something you didn't know you would like.

Unlike some other games you should be able to acquire any card you may need from the stores. Granted, that may mean you get a ship you maybe don't think you want but that can be seen as expanding your options again. I'll give you that supplies sometime do run low making finding a certain ship at a given time difficult.

I'll still say Would be fine... because... no where in the rules.. except tourney rules.. doesn't say you must only use official cards... unless I missed that bit...

In friendly games I've never worried about it, and on many occasions have used a print out from one of a couple ship building sites..

And any friendly group that forbade it.. well.. that's a little too anal for my liking, and I might jot show up too often.. it's a game, and we're supposed to be having fun.. outside of a tourney, no one should be enforcing tourney rules.. unless, that is what your group wants..

You can maintain the "would be fine" but it should be "could be fine." I believe the rules do say something about using things that come with the minis only and that means if you didn't get a copy of a card with a mini you couldn't use it. Without requiring the actual cards you can easily get into that "make up cards" which SableGryphon mentions which is the same difference.

I'm just saying in friendly games no one should have issues.. that's all.. I know each gaming group is different, but you know your own group best..

In my group, I'm the fanatic, and I bring the ships for all players, I also bring the lists.. so for my own ease, I printed out a bunch and let the guys choose.. no one cares if there is an official card, because they didn't invest in it..

Other guys bring other games and I dont quibble about little issues.. ee have fun.. and that's important.

Step 1 - Grab a sheet of paper and write down all the ways that you can think of that using photocopied or printed cards would impact the game.

Step 2 - Take your still blank sheet of paper and make a fun paper airplane out of it to make up for the 10 minutes that you just wasted spinning your wheels.

Using cards produced by FFG makes no difference. As the images of the cards are available online, accuracy is not an issue. The fact that the cards look identical (flat with a picture on one side) means that even an argument for aesthetics fails. This goes for tournaments as well. The rule for using FFG cards is strictly for making cash. Expect TOs to begin altering the policy when people start asking why it is a policy and they can't come up with an answer other than 'because they said so.'

Proxies are fine for casual play, to a point. There's a guy at my FLGS who I swear bought a core set and uses proxies and Micro Machines for everything else. On the one hand, yeah, it's just a game, but on the other, you really should support the company whose game you're playing.

As for tournaments, to the poster above, no. You want to play in an official event, you should have the official product. If FFG is going to provide the structure and the prize support, they're definitely within their rights to demand you use their product.

Really wish FFG would put out packs of cards only available in Rebel expansions or Imperial Expansions. I understand it would hurt the bottom line but.. stuff like Heavy Laser Canon.. still don't have any because they only come with the Shuttle and Firespray.. and I don't play Imps

I understand it would hurt the bottom line but..

A number of people wish for this too, but like you point out it would hurt the bottom line...

Really wish FFG would put out packs of cards only available in Rebel expansions or Imperial Expansions. I understand it would hurt the bottom line but.. stuff like Heavy Laser Canon.. still don't have any because they only come with the Shuttle and Firespray.. and I don't play Imps

Just curious, what happens when you play against someone that doesn't have imperial ships..

In my group, I bring all the ships, and maybe the one other person that has their own stuff shows up.. but for the most part, I have enough to supply 4 players in 2 differing games, or 6 in 2v2 and 1v1...

For friendly games like we play we use printed lists and rarely use cards...

To me it makes no sense to not buy from both sides.. but that is from my perspective of needing all the ships to support multiple players...

I still don't get people that have to fly one faction exclusively. Aren't you tired of missing out on half the game?

I started out like oneway supplying all the ships, but after a few games everyone in our group started buying their own stuff and now everyone playing has a good sized fleet. We had one player that wanted to be exclusively Imperial but bought the Tantive model because it looked cool, and now he has a lot of Rebels as well. We've got another guy that was the same about his Rebels until he bought the Slave I.

It would be nice if FFG started doing card packs, but it's not likely to happen. As for using photocopied or printed cards, I have no problem with this outside of a tournament, as it's a great way to try different lists - especially when you want to try out some of the pre-releases like the Rebel Aces. It's like a "try before you buy" opportunity.

I still don't get people that have to fly one faction exclusively. Aren't you tired of missing out on half the game?

I don't really expect someone who plays Warhammer to buy into every single faction. Granted, that's a much more expensive proposition than X-Wing, but I understand the mentality.

I still don't get people that have to fly one faction exclusively. Aren't you tired of missing out on half the game?

I don't really expect someone who plays Warhammer to buy into every single faction. Granted, that's a much more expensive proposition than X-Wing, but I understand the mentality.

I can understand doing it from a price perspective, but if that's the case then don't complain too much that you don't have all the same upgrade cards. Fact is, they're too cheap unable to pay to have the whole game and they suffer for it.

I still don't get people that have to fly one faction exclusively. Aren't you tired of missing out on half the game?

I don't really expect someone who plays Warhammer to buy into every single faction. Granted, that's a much more expensive proposition than X-Wing, but I understand the mentality.

I wouldn't expect anyone to buy into every race for Warhammer either, but X-Wing's only got 2 factions. And most of the guys playing Warhammer or 40K at our club have at least two armies, some have more. It seems to be the way we roll down here. Just in case somebody new comes along to the club, you can throw together two opposing forces and get the newbie playing.

With X-Wing, I find the game is so balanced that you've got an equal chance of winning regardless of which side you play. I can't say the same for any GW game I've ever played.

My thoughts are: If I'm buying a faction just for certain cards, I might as well give that faction a go as I have the stuff.

I am Imperial through and through, but I've set myself a challenge recently to use Rebels at the next few tournies I go to. Will help me learn more ships and different styles of play.

If you play tournies, it's only logical to buy both so you have access to all the upgrades.. in casual games you should be able to proxie cards or use a printed list from one of the list builders that has all the info on them..

I buy both because I want to.. and sort of need to.. so that's my side..

My thoughts are: If I'm buying a faction just for certain cards, I might as well give that faction a go as I have the stuff.

I am Imperial through and through, but I've set myself a challenge recently to use Rebels at the next few tournies I go to. Will help me learn more ships and different styles of play.

"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."

- Sun Tzu

I still don't get people that have to fly one faction exclusively. Aren't you tired of missing out on half the game?

I started out like oneway supplying all the ships, but after a few games everyone in our group started buying their own stuff and now everyone playing has a good sized fleet. We had one player that wanted to be exclusively Imperial but bought the Tantive model because it looked cool, and now he has a lot of Rebels as well. We've got another guy that was the same about his Rebels until he bought the Slave I.

It would be nice if FFG started doing card packs, but it's not likely to happen. As for using photocopied or printed cards, I have no problem with this outside of a tournament, as it's a great way to try different lists - especially when you want to try out some of the pre-releases like the Rebel Aces. It's like a "try before you buy" opportunity.

Not everybody that plays is interested in running both factions. I personally have always had a much greater love for rebel ships than the imperial ones. TIEs simply don't interest me a lot..

So no I don't mind missing out on what you refer to as half the game because that half bears nothing I want to use except the upgrade cards.