Honestly, as a child of the 80's I loved seeing the light slingshot. NOT BECAUSE IT WAS A GOOD IDEA! But because crap like that was everywhere in cartoons when I was a kid playing Star Wars at recess. He-Man, Thundercats, MASK, Lone Star, Silver Hawks, It seems like half the shows out at the time was pseudo-medieval sci-fi fantasy. Everyone had a laser whip, laser slingshot, laser bow/crossbow, laser catapult, etc. Ooh, I remember the transformers movie had a laser slingshot too! And, man did it carry over into Star Wars. I very distinctly remember playing a Jedi with a laser slingshot, and my friend wanted a light battleax. A light ball and chain came into somewhere too. The 80s were great.

Again, I am NOT saying laser slingshots are in any way a good idea, but it warms my heart to see in a kids show again. Pure nostalgia goggles though, I admit it fully.

its that the character does not fit into the universe what so ever.

A freedom fighter with an artistic side doesn't fit in the universe???

she has time to run around spray painting?

Doing that is a well documented part of most rebel uprisings, there has to be some way to let everyone know that someone is working to overthrow the current regime...

The character just screams of them forcing her to be different for the sake of being different.

And again every post you make about this just screams of someone who's looking for any excuse they can find to hate something.

Please explain what benefit the character brings to the universe?

She's female, for which the Star Wars movies always had a serious lack of, and it's good to see them leading the series with two strong females, to balance out the two strong males. It's good marketing.

She's not a wallflower.

She's not wearing a skirt / crop top / sparkly combat boots.

She doesn't appear to speak like a Valley Girl

I think everyone, for some reason, is hung up over pink salmon isn't a serious Mandalorian colour. Salmon is a very strong colour.

http://karentraviss.com/page10/files/Is_it_true_you_hate_Jedi_.html

Quite honestly, that says it all. And really, rereading it, I find it funny that she emphasizes that it is fiction, but seems to assume that others can't really distinguish the difference themselves.

But what's done is done. Her story will not be finished because she refused to believe the reality of working in another's universe.

Still, Rebels looks to be good fun. I'm looking forward to it. Heck, I wouldn't mind if Ahsoka shows up (granted, if only to be on the receiving end of her master's lightsaber).

I don't see the issue with Sabine. Not every character has to be super serious.

No, it doesn't say it all. And she didn't refuse the reality. Clone Wars completely changed it. That's why it's not being finished.

So because Disney doesnt have a character like that it means she fits into the star wars universe?

Who's to say what universe she "belongs" too. But she's clearly a departure from the standard Disney Princess.

Please explain what benefit the character brings to the universe?

What benefit does any character bring? You're seriously starting to sound like someone who will come up with any excuse they can find to hate something, because you've already made up your mind, and now need to justify the decision.

Have you taken any story writing classes? Its the first thing they cover about characters is what the character adds to a story. If they don't add to the story they are dead weight.

But youre right, I'm just being a hater and making things up. Kinda expected more from you Van..

Its not that she isn't interesting, its that the character does not fit into the universe what so ever.

I think the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that she doesn't fit into the universe, and that she doesn't bring something to the story.

If they don't add to the story they are dead weight.

If she adds nothing to the story you would have a point. But seeing how none of us have seen the story yet, you can not make any judgment about what she does or doesn't add to the story.

As far as her fitting into the universe... The universe is a pretty big thing, and as such there's room in it for almost anything.

I mean seriously you're the one making these claims about how she doesn't belong or add anything in. Back up those claims with proof.

If someone says "I don't like the art work/style." or "I don't like the voice acting" then at least they can claim to base that on actual experience, having seen and heard those things.

But you're claiming a character that we know pretty much nothing about doesn't fit in the Star Wars universe, and adds nothing to a story we haven't heard yet.

I don't know about all but it sure does say she's a bit of a loon.

I don't know about all but it sure does say she's a bit of a loon.

Sabine or Traviss?

I have taken several writing courses, yes. Along with several theatre and character development / method acting ones too.

I fail to see how she "doesn't bring anything to the story", and is "dead weight" all on the previews of a few minutes worth of screen time thus far. There's virtually nothing that suggests she is anything except a kickass rebel, who's helping blow up the Empire's shiny toys.

Would you prefer cookie-cutter, "displaced royalty from a destroyed planet", "angry farmer from backworld planet" or "cocky smuggler with a mysterious past" as an archetype?

So because Disney doesnt have a character like that it means she fits into the star wars universe?

Who's to say what universe she "belongs" too. But she's clearly a departure from the standard Disney Princess.

Please explain what benefit the character brings to the universe?

What benefit does any character bring? You're seriously starting to sound like someone who will come up with any excuse they can find to hate something, because you've already made up your mind, and now need to justify the decision.

Have you taken any story writing classes? Its the first thing they cover about characters is what the character adds to a story. If they don't add to the story they are dead weight.

But youre right, I'm just being a hater and making things up. Kinda expected more from you Van..

Sorry to jump in, but while it's true that characters need to bring to the story, I'm not seeing any justification for saying she doesn't bring anything to the story.

Leaving aside the fact that we haven't seen any of the stories yet, I think it could already be argued that she brings several things:

• She brings some pleasant color and energy into what could be a very oppressive atmosphere
• From a team perspective she is obviously bringing demolitions and weapons expertise
• She represents a younger but still strong view point that the young kid couldn't represent well
• She has an interesting martial and personality contrast with...basically all the other characters.
• I personally (and I know many others) find the rebellious graffiti artist to be an EXTREMELY appropriate addition, representing a part of the rebellion we haven't seen in the movies up to this point: civil unrest in the civilian sector. Where the movies focused on the military rebellion, we didn't get to see much of what was going on in the cities, which we know just from human nature would have involved graffiti. And a big part of the series seems to be focused on the civilian portion of the rebellion, not the military faction (the Alliance) the movies focused on. Expect things to be different.
• She is also an interesting contrast to the Empire itself, which really focuses on an oppressive, monochrome feel. She provides some nice tonal contrast and themes.
• She also introduces a strong, COMBAT focused female protagonist who is not just a re-skinned man, but also isn't a Fem Fatalle or a background ditz. Who don't have enough female protagonists who are capable in combat, utilitarian, AND comfortable with being feminine and having their own style.

Long story short, I can understand not liking the character, but I think the assertions that she doesn't fit in the setting and brings nothing to the story are unfounded.

When the character was revealed their was a pretty big backlash so I'm certainly not the only star wars fan that doesn't thinks she fit.

Most of that comes from people with an unreasonable fear that Star Wars is going to become Disneyfied, and that somehow Pink makes you a fairy princess.

I don't know about all but it sure does say she's a bit of a loon.

Sabine or Traviss?

Traviss.

When the character was revealed their was a pretty big backlash so I'm certainly not the only star wars fan that doesn't thinks she fit.

Most of that comes from people with an unreasonable fear that Star Wars is going to become Disneyfied, and that somehow Pink makes you a fairy princess.

Salmon. It's salmon. Not pink.

When the character was revealed their was a pretty big backlash so I'm certainly not the only star wars fan that doesn't thinks she fit.

Most of that comes from people with an unreasonable fear that Star Wars is going to become Disneyfied, and that somehow Pink makes you a fairy princess.

Salmon. It's salmon. Not pink.

IT'S NOT PINK! IT'S LIGHT RED! Why do you guys keep calling it pink!? Pinks a girls color! This is clearly light red!

I don't know about all but it sure does say she's a bit of a loon.

Sabine or Traviss?

Traviss.

Traviss is not a loon! RC was absolutely one of the best series ever.

Salmon. It's salmon. Not pink.

IT'S NOT PINK! IT'S LIGHT RED! Why do you guys keep calling it pink!?

Oh come on, everyone knows there's only like 8 colors.

Red, blue, white, black, gray, pink, brown and yellow... Salmon is a fish, not a color.

Seriously, I like the way she looks, I think it fits the character quite nicely regardless of what color it is. Has a 80's punk rock vib to it.

I don't know about all but it sure does say she's a bit of a loon.

Sabine or Traviss?

Traviss.

Traviss is not a loon! RC was absolutely one of the best series ever.

Not that I am taking sides here, but I would point out that writing an excellent book series in no way proves she isn't a loon. Someone can be perfectly looney and still write excellent fiction. Heck, in many instances it helps. Look at Lovecraft.

So is Hera's skin tone the wrong colour or something? Or is being the pilot of the Ghost not good enough, and she's dead weight too?

RC was absolutely one of the best series ever.

RC may of been good, but even a blind squirrel can find a nut some times.

That doesn't mean she isn't a loon. She's also responsible for some of the worst work in SW as well. Now that doesn't make her a loon anymore then some good work makes her not a loon. Her looneyness is independent of the good or bad of her writing.

That doesn't mean she isn't a loon. She's also responsible for some of the worst work in SW as well. Now that doesn't make her a loon anymore then some good work makes her not a loon. Her looneyness is independent of the good or bad of her writing.

Well then how can you tell if she's a loon?????

Salmon. It's salmon. Not pink.

IT'S NOT PINK! IT'S LIGHT RED! Why do you guys keep calling it pink!?

Oh come on, everyone knows there's only like 8 colors.

Red, blue, white, black, gray, pink, brown and yellow... Salmon is a fish, not a color.

Seriously, I like the way she looks, I think it fits the character quite nicely regardless of what color it is. Has a 80's punk rock vib to it.

You know, now that you mention it, the entire show has a very...80's feel to it. She has a lot of a cyberpunk feel for me to. Then you have the big strong alien, and the friggin light slighshot (which is dumb, but just SOOOOO 80's I still love it). And then of course it is Star Wars which obviously has a very late 70's/80's feel. The whole premise of the shot would fit in very well as a 1985 Saturday Morning cartoon, right after He-Man. With a different art style, obviously. And a killer intro that would stick in your head for decades reguardless of the shows actual quality.

And dang it, now I have the theme song of Jem stuck in my head again.

...

"She's truly, truly, truly outraaageous. Ooooh, Jeeem..."

You know, now that you mention it, the entire show has a very...80's feel to it. She has a lot of a cyberpunk feel for me to. Then you have the big strong alien, and the friggin light slighshot (which is dumb, but just SOOOOO 80's I still love it). And then of course it is Star Wars which obviously has a very late 70's/80's feel. The whole premise of the shot would fit in very well as a 1985 Saturday Morning cartoon, right after He-Man. With a different art style, obviously. And a killer intro that would stick in your head for decades reguardless of the shows actual quality.

And dang it, now I have the theme song of Jem stuck in my head again.

...

"She's truly, truly, truly outraaageous. Ooooh, Jeeem..."

Agent Kallus has some serious 70s mutton chops going on...

That doesn't mean she isn't a loon. She's also responsible for some of the worst work in SW as well. Now that doesn't make her a loon anymore then some good work makes her not a loon. Her looneyness is independent of the good or bad of her writing.

Well then how can you tell if she's a loon?????

Probably by looking at how she interacts with others and her personal beliefs.

If I was to try to make an argument FOR her being a loon, I would cite her claiming anyone who liked Jedi and disagreed with her writing to be Nazi sympathisers and slave owners and her fixation of the virtues of a military state combined with some hypocrisy about that same subject.

But, honestly, that's just based on reading some of her online stuff, which really isn't enough to judge her on. Things got heated, she said some dumb stuff. I don't know her personally.