If you didn't notice, RC was an official Star Wars series, not some ridiculous fanfic.

The entire EU was official Star Wars material. Didn't stop 90% of it from being crap.

To illustrate, Revelations was just as official as RC, and yet that one book managed to contradict every single piece of character development Jaina had gone through during the entire New Jedi Order series. Everything. Down to not knowing how helm coms worked, despite being a Rogue Squadron veteran.

Three guesses as to the author.

Hey, look, like i said, I've never read any Traviss Star Wars besides RC, so i can't talk about Legacy of the Force.

She might be a bit of a loon...

IMO she hated Jedi and most everything else Star Wars, and the only reason she started writing Star Wars novels was so she could take out her hate of Jedi in an official form.

Why her travesty of a story was ever allowed just shows how foolish some editors can be.

Don't really understand the KT hatred here. I haven't read anything from Legacy yet but really, really enjoyed the Republic Commando series and subsequent tie ins with that elsewhere.

This was posted earlier in the thread somewhere, or on another thread, about Sabine. Go watch. You'll like her after. Salmon-coloured helmet or not.

Salmon. It's a manly colour.

Don't really understand the KT hatred here.

There seems to be 2 groups, those who can't stand her and those who can. I've seen very few people who are on the fence, unless they have read nothing by her.

Don't really understand the KT hatred here. I haven't read anything from Legacy yet but really, really enjoyed the Republic Commando series and subsequent tie ins with that elsewhere.

Exactly! I loved the RC and IC series.

Don't really understand the KT hatred here.

There seems to be 2 groups, those who can't stand her and those who can. I've seen very few people who are on the fence, unless they have read nothing by her.

There's nothing wrong with Traviss. Republic Commando was second to only one series IMO.

In what context?

That any new ships from the upcoming Rebels should not be in this game because the team that works on Rebels worked on Clone Wars and Clone Wars ruined Star Wars by having Jedi care for the troops under their command and ruined Mandalorians.

I don't think we can even see the rails of the topic anymore...

It wasn't in CW, it was in Republic Commando.

A Traviss book? Pff, well of course a Traviss book is going to have Jedi be eeevuuul and ruthless commanders who would execute "their" clones if they so much as sneezed without permission.

Take everything Traviss writes about Jedi with an ocean's worth of salt. It tends to clash with... pretty much every other depiction of Jedi.

Also, the Jedi killed Etain and that alone is enough to make me hate them.

Don't really understand the KT hatred here.

There seems to be 2 groups, those who can't stand her and those who can. I've seen very few people who are on the fence, unless they have read nothing by her.

There's nothing wrong with Traviss. Republic Commando was second to only one series IMO.

There's nothing wrong with Traviss outside her SW work. Her Star Wars licensed fiction--speaking as objectively as possible--departed in a number of important ways from other authors' presentation; in response to attempts by Lucasfilm (via Del Rey, her publisher) to constrain her work under the Star Wars license, she terminated her relationship with both Del Rey and Lucasfilm.

What I think is happening with you (and you're not alone; I seem to remember one or both of the Penny Arcade guys feeling the same way) is that you recognize that departure on Traviss' part from the established characterizations, but you prefer her version. That's fine, as far as it goes, but it's not going to do any good to re-fight her battle with LFL/Del Rey by proxy, years after the fact.

Also, the Jedi killed Etain and that alone is enough to make me hate them.

In a KT book, which is enough to show why her books are thankfully on the scrap pile of non-canon. Because she clearly hated the Jedi and everything they stood for, so made a point to write them in the worse possible light every chance she got.

Also, the Jedi killed Etain and that alone is enough to make me hate them.

In a KT book, which is enough to show why her books are thankfully on the scrap pile of non-canon. Because she clearly hated the Jedi and everything they stood for, so made a point to write them in the worse possible light every chance she got.

They still killed her.

They still killed her.

No, KT killed her.

In yet another attempt to paint the Jedi in the worse possible way, the weapon she used was a Jedi but she's the one who pulled the trigger as it were.

That's the problem with her works, it's clear to anyone she hated Jedi and her only purpose of writing Star Wars novels was to tarnish the Jedi name in any way she could.

Her reaction to people upset with her depiction of Jedi was hardly mature either. But that response sort of sealed it on there being no middle ground. You either love her or hate her Star Wars works. Having read her Legacy of the Force stuff, I have no interest in her other works.

They still killed her.

No, KT killed her.

In yet another attempt to paint the Jedi in the worse possible way, the weapon she used was a Jedi but she's the one who pulled the trigger as it were.

That's the problem with her works, it's clear to anyone she hated Jedi and her only purpose of writing Star Wars novels was to tarnish the Jedi name in any way she could.

Yeah, well the Jedi killed her, so i will forever hatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehate them.

Yeah, well the Jedi killed her...

So you hate the weapon and not the person who wield it?

I mean making people hate the Jedi was the whole reason that she did things like that.

Yeah, well the Jedi killed her...

So you hate the weapon and not the person who wield it?

I mean making people hate the Jedi was the whole reason that she did things like that.

But she still was killed by the JEDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII.

But she still was killed by the JEDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII.

Yeah I give up at this point... You either can't or refuse to see the point I'm making.

But she still was killed by the JEDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII.

Yeah I give up at this point... You either can't or refuse to see the point I'm making.

I see your point but i don't agree with it.

I see your point but i don't agree with it.

So you honestly are going to blame a fictional character for something that happens, rather then the person who's in control of that fictional character?

They still killed her.

No, KT killed her.

In yet another attempt to paint the Jedi in the worse possible way, the weapon she used was a Jedi but she's the one who pulled the trigger as it were.

That's the problem with her works, it's clear to anyone she hated Jedi and her only purpose of writing Star Wars novels was to tarnish the Jedi name in any way she could.

It is certainly not clear to me that she hates Jedi!? Is this stemming from Legacy or from RC as well? If it's Legacy then I can't comment, but I really didn't get this impression from the RC series.

Is this stemming from Legacy or from RC as well?

Both, but I never read Legacy... It's in RC to a point, but even then she basically came right out and admitted to as much in a number of interviews.

Well, look on the bright side. Disney just erased that murder. You should celebrate.

Don't really understand the KT hatred here. I haven't read anything from Legacy yet but really, really enjoyed the Republic Commando series and subsequent tie ins with that elsewhere.

It's... a long story with many different facets that went way of-tangent, but in this case my hatred was triggered people spitting on Rebel's potential -and the potential of new ships coming from that show- because Clone Wars drastically changed Mandalore.

But she still was killed by the JEDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII.

Yeah I give up at this point... You either can't or refuse to see the point I'm making.

I see your point but i don't agree with it.

And yet you have no problem blaming the creators of Clone Wars for what happened to Mandalore, rather than Satine who was the in-universe character responsible for it.

Is this stemming from Legacy or from RC as well?

Both, but I never read Legacy... It's in RC to a point, but even then she basically came right out and admitted to as much in a number of interviews.

And in at least a couple of those interviews, she also equated anyone who is actually a fan of the Jedi to Nazi-sympathizers & slave-owners. I'm glad her s*** writing is gone from the Star Wars universe because she's a freaking loon.

Jim

I've never read any of her books, so I'm trying to figure out what the point of contention is from the writings here.

I can see the point of showing the Jedi from another point of view than the knight-in-shining-robes.One person's Jedi is another person's übermensch. (I'm glad that Emrico already took us to the Godwinian moment, even if it was KT's words that he'd citing.)

In fact, I quite like that prospect. However, it would have to be skillfully done. In many ways, that's also the point of the prequels and The Clone Wars, though we can debate how skillfully it was done in those.

2 things I'm not crazy about..

-The kid could have still been effective without being as much as a Aladdin clone as he is. Sorry, but its true.

- A spray painting, steampunk mandolorian chick? Come on now Disney.. You can do much better then that.

With that being said, everything else looks pretty great. I like the art style, choreography, animation and voice acting.