Clone Wars was wrong on SOOOOO many points. First of all, they COMPLETELY WRECKED mandalore (and in doing so stopped IC 2 from coming out!!!!!!) Second, the clones did not have some chip in their brains that made htem commit order 66, it was simply a GAR contigency order. Third, they made the jedi seem like they loved the clones and would anything for them, when in reality the clones were essentially 3 million slaves to the jedi.

Close that Traviss book for a bit and stop to think. These are Jedi we're talking about. Them looking at an army of clones and seeing anything but human beings makes absolutely zero sense.

As for Mandalorians... well, can't say I'll miss Traviss's "super warriors that can ignore the Force through sheer handwavery with blaster and lightsaber-proof armor that are somehow the third side in the Jedi/Sith conflict even though they have next to nothing to do with it symbolically or throughout much of galactic history and are always right no matter how hypocritical they sound."

As for Mandalorians... well, can't say I'll miss Traviss's "super warriors that can ignore the Force through sheer handwavery with blaster and lightsaber-proof armor that are somehow the third side in the Jedi/Sith conflict even though they have next to nothing to do with it symbolically or throughout much of galactic history."

I've never read the old mandalorian stuff myself, but everything I have heard makes them sound like really bad fanfic Mary Sues while the CW depiction managed a pretty good, dimensional, believable society that showcased some of the side effects of war that Revanchist has been talking about and that plausibly fit within the framework of the universe.

Most of the CW mandalorian stuff is among my favorite from the show.

Clone Wars was wrong on SOOOOO many points. First of all, they COMPLETELY WRECKED mandalore (and in doing so stopped IC 2 from coming out!!!!!!) Second, the clones did not have some chip in their brains that made htem commit order 66, it was simply a GAR contigency order. Third, they made the jedi seem like they loved the clones and would anything for them, when in reality the clones were essentially 3 million slaves to the jedi.

Close that Traviss book for a bit and stop to think. These are Jedi we're talking about. Them looking at an army of clones and seeing anything but human beings makes absolutely zero sense.

And yet, the jedi forced them to fight in their war, not give them any rights, any freedom, or any choice about anything.

Clone wars was kiddie? It was probably the most adult "kids" show there ever was then!

Besides all the general deaths on the show, you had executions, sabers through the chest, decapitations, kids being killed, etc.

Don't get me wrong, there were certainly lighter moments and episodes and characters, but it was overall far from just being a "kids" show.

I think Rebels is likely to be more kid friendly than the Clone Wars.

Clone Wars was wrong on SOOOOO many points. First of all, they COMPLETELY WRECKED mandalore (and in doing so stopped IC 2 from coming out!!!!!!) Second, the clones did not have some chip in their brains that made htem commit order 66, it was simply a GAR contigency order. Third, they made the jedi seem like they loved the clones and would anything for them, when in reality the clones were essentially 3 million slaves to the jedi.

TCW was released by Lucasfilms, overseen by Lucas himself. Whatever you're referring to was created by license holders, who's additions were always ranked below the Films and TV show within the cannon. How could these third parties' creations be right, while elements from Lucasfilms be wrong? You might like the other versions better, and thats fine, but saying the official version is wrong is, well, wrong. I hate Jar Jar but I'm not going to say some fan fiction that remade the prequals without him is the real version.

And yet, boba fett in the OT is exactly like EVERY single depiction of mandalorians there is, and LucasFilm made that too.

I've never read the old mandalorian stuff myself, but everything I have heard makes them sound like really bad fanfic Mary Sues while the CW depiction managed a pretty good, dimensional, believable society that showcased some of the side effects of war that Revanchist has been talking about and that plausibly fit within the framework of the universe.

Most of the CW mandalorian stuff is among my favorite from the show.

Well, the very first mention of Mandalorians was incredibly vague. In the ESB novelization all that we had was "a group of evil warriors defeated by the Jedi Knights during the Clone Wars."

When the culture got expanded on, prior to Traviss taking the helm, they were essentially space vikings. A warrior culture centered around finding the biggest guy, gutting their planet and robbing of food, resources and people (because yay slave labour). They were used as grinder troops by the Sith during the Great Sith War, in ye olde days of Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma.

KotoR continued to build on this and gave us the Mandalorian wars, where the Mandalorians figured they'd kick the Republic's teeth in. Didn't exactly end well for them, but KotoR showed an excellent example that Mandalorians, for the most part, are assholes. Quite a few Mandalorians you meat are tempted to gut you for your money, and even the honorable ones you meet like Candarous and those who support him can't stop talking about the glory of combat and how what other people see as war crimes, they see as natural (they had no problem nuking a civilian city to get to the soldiers hiding inside it, for example).

It's only when Traviss took the helm that they became these... noblebright warriors who could do no wrong. Despite, you know, slavery, mass murder, etc. If I recall, she even had the gall to have Mandalorians call out Jedi on cradle-robbing. Mandalorians! The guys who raze planets and enslave the survivors! The mind boggles how anyone could read that and go "huh, what a good man."

Traviss took the Mandalorians I grew up with and butchered them in a way only fanfic authors can. So when people decry clone wars for changing them, I can only groan at the hypocricy. Sure, Clone Wars also changed the Mandalorians that I loved, but it kept the spark alive through Deathwatch in a way that reminded me of the Assholelorians of old. And that is more than Traviss ever did.

Umm, you mean getting sent flying into the Sarlaac by a blind man? The films aren't exactly the best way to judge Fett on...

I also enjoy any steamrolling of anything Traviss wrote. Her Legacy of the Force work was so, so, so very bad.

I've never read the old mandalorian stuff myself, but everything I have heard makes them sound like really bad fanfic Mary Sues while the CW depiction managed a pretty good, dimensional, believable society that showcased some of the side effects of war that Revanchist has been talking about and that plausibly fit within the framework of the universe.

Most of the CW mandalorian stuff is among my favorite from the show.

Well, the very first mention of Mandalorians was incredibly vague. In the ESB novelization all that we had was "a group of evil warriors defeated by the Jedi Knights during the Clone Wars."

When the culture got expanded on, prior to Traviss taking the helm, they were essentially space vikings. A warrior culture centered around finding the biggest guy, gutting their planet and robbing of food, resources and people (because yay slave labour). They were used as grinder troops by the Sith during the Great Sith War, in ye olde days of Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma.

KotoR continued to build on this and gave us the Mandalorian wars, where the Mandalorians figured they'd kick the Republic's teeth in. Didn't exactly end well for them, but KotoR showed an excellent example that Mandalorians, for the most part, are assholes. Quite a few Mandalorians you meat are tempted to gut you for your money, and even the honorable ones you meet like Candarous and those who support him can't stop talking about the glory of combat and how what other people see as war crimes, they see as natural (they had no problem nuking a civilian city to get to the soldiers hiding inside it, for example).

It's only when Traviss took the helm that they became these... noblebright warriors who could do no wrong. Despite, you know, slavery, mass murder, etc. If I recall, she even had the gall to have Mandalorians call out Jedi on cradle-robbing. Mandalorians! The guys who raze planets and enslave the survivors! The mind boggles how anyone could read that and go "huh, what a good man."

Traviss took the Mandalorians I grew up with and butchered them in a way only fanfic authors can. So when people decry clone wars for changing them, I can only groan at the hypocricy. Sure, Clone Wars also changed the Mandalorians that I loved, but it kept the spark alive through Deathwatch in a way that reminded me of the Assholelorians of old. And that is more than Traviss ever did.

Okay, yes it's stupid that she makes them seem like people who can do wrong, but still, Clone Wars wrecked everything about them.

Umm, you mean getting sent flying into the Sarlaac by a blind man? The films aren't exactly the best way to judge Fett on...

I also enjoy any steamrolling of anything Traviss wrote. Her Legacy of the Force work was so, so, so very bad.

Well, i haven't read the Legacy of the Force books yet (although i probably will just because Venku is in them), but the Commando books are one of the best series ever written.

Okay, yes it's stupid that she makes them seem like people who can do wrong, but still, Clone Wars wrecked everything about them.

Clone Wars gave us a new Death Watch. One closer to the old Mandalorians than what I've seen in years, all the way up to "Sith challenges leader and gains control of the Mandalorians by defeating him" which was the greatest continuity nod to the duel between Qel-Droma and Mand'alor I have ever seen. That alone scores many points with me.

Okay, yes it's stupid that she makes them seem like people who can do wrong, but still, Clone Wars wrecked everything about them.

Clone Wars gave us a new Death Watch. One closer to the old Mandalorians than what I've seen in years, all the way up to "Sith challenges leader and gains control of the Mandalorians by defeating him" which was the greatest continuity nod to the duel between Qel-Droma and Mand'alor I have ever seen. That alone scores many points with me.

Clone Wars also made Mandalore a pacifist planet, with gigantic cities and people elected and given titles like 'dutchess and 'prime minister', as well as making it seem some highly educated noble planet.

The idea of different splinter groups of "Mandalorians" made sense to me, which is why Satine's group never bothered me.

However, when a certain author writes Luke wondering what Boba Fett would do, I nearly want to toss the book across the room.

The idea of different splinter groups of "Mandalorians" made sense to me, which is why Satine's group never bothered me.

However, when a certain author writes Luke wondering what Boba Fett would do, I nearly want to toss the book across the room.

But Satine's 'group' is ALL of Mandalore. It's not like a clan or something.

but still, Clone Wars wrecked everything about them.

Other then what Travesty... I mean Traviss, nah I don't. What was good about them?

I mean lets take the movies, you have 2 guys in cool armor who really don't do much of anything impressive. Boba being a fairly lame follow up to Jango, who clearly didn't learn as much as he should of.

Then you had some stuff written about them in various books...

Then you have Travesty come in with what was clearly a massive chip on her shoulder about Jedi, and just about completely screw up the whole of the EU with her sycophant raving about the noble and mighty Mando's.

Clone Wars also made Mandalore a pacifist planet, with gigantic cities and people elected and given titles like 'dutchess and 'prime minister', as well as making it seem some highly educated noble planet.

Did you actually watch those episodes?

They're quite clear on why things are the way they are now. Along with why Deathwatch is the way it is.

but still, Clone Wars wrecked everything about them.

Other then what Travesty... I mean Traviss, nah I don't. What was good about them?

I mean lets take the movies, you have 2 guys in cool armor who really don't do much of anything impressive. Boba being a fairly lame follow up to Jango, who clearly didn't learn as much as he should of.

Then you had some stuff written about them in various books...

Then you have Travesty come in with what was clearly a massive chip on her shoulder about Jedi, and just about completely screw up the whole of the EU with her sycophant raving about the noble and might Mando's.

Like i said, it's stupid that she made them seem like angels, but the only Mando she wrecked was Kal, i can't stand him.

Clone Wars also made Mandalore a pacifist planet, with gigantic cities and people elected and given titles like 'dutchess and 'prime minister', as well as making it seem some highly educated noble planet.

Did you actually watch those episodes?

They're quite clear on why things are the way they are now. Along with why Deathwatch is the way it is.

Yes, i watched every single episode of clone wars that has ever been made, including season 6.

The idea of different splinter groups of "Mandalorians" made sense to me, which is why Satine's group never bothered me.

However, when a certain author writes Luke wondering what Boba Fett would do, I nearly want to toss the book across the room.

But Satine's 'group' is ALL of Mandalore. It's not like a clan or something.

Nah, it's the group that's temporarily in power. Satine's government also exists in the story in tension with the Death Watch, who are advocating a return to the militaristic fervor that made Mandalore strong and respected--not to go all Godwin, but in at least a mild parallel to the way Nazis came to power during the Weimar Republic.

Yes, i watched every single episode of clone wars that has ever been made, including season 6.

Then you should already know why they did the things they did, yet your posts make them sound like mistakes or completely out of character for the Mandos.

Yes, i watched every single episode of clone wars that has ever been made, including season 6.

Then you should already know why they did the things they did, yet your posts make them sound like mistakes or completely out of character for the Mandos.

I know why, but i still think it's stupid.

The idea of different splinter groups of "Mandalorians" made sense to me, which is why Satine's group never bothered me.

However, when a certain author writes Luke wondering what Boba Fett would do, I nearly want to toss the book across the room.

But Satine's 'group' is ALL of Mandalore. It's not like a clan or something.

Nah, it's the group that's temporarily in power. Satine's government also exists in the story in tension with the Death Watch, who are advocating a return to the militaristic fervor that made Mandalore strong and respected--not to go all Godwin, but in at least a mild parallel to the way Nazis came to power during the Weimar Republic.

Yeah, well even if it's'temporary' it's still all of mandalore.

I know why, but i still think it's stupid.

Ok That's fair, if you don't like it, you don't like it.

I know why, but i still think it's stupid.

Ok That's fair, if you don't like it, you don't like it.

Exactly. The only CW mandalore episode i liked was the one where Satine gets her chopped off by Darth Maul.

And yet, the jedi forced them to fight in their war, not give them any rights, any freedom, or any choice about anything.

Funny thing about the Jedi, they served the Republic. While they led the clone army, they didn't command it. That was the prerogative of the Republic. As was the participation the Jedi themselves, who if you recall were rather against the idea of war in its entirety.

"We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers."

The Jedi had no more choice than the clones, really. When the government you've sworn to protect goes to war, you go to war.

The idea of different splinter groups of "Mandalorians" made sense to me, which is why Satine's group never bothered me.

However, when a certain author writes Luke wondering what Boba Fett would do, I nearly want to toss the book across the room.

But Satine's 'group' is ALL of Mandalore. It's not like a clan or something.

Given not only the existence of Death Watch, but how by the end of The Lawless pretty much the entirety of Mandalore had descended into civil war, it's quite clear that Satine's group was far from all of Mandalore.

And yet, the jedi forced them to fight in their war, not give them any rights, any freedom, or any choice about anything.

Funny thing about the Jedi, they served the Republic. While they led the clone army, they didn't command it. That was the prerogative of the Republic. As was the participation the Jedi themselves, who if you recall were rather against the idea of war in its entirety.

"We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers."

The Jedi had no more choice than the clones, really. When the government you've sword to protect goes to war, you go to war.

The idea of different splinter groups of "Mandalorians" made sense to me, which is why Satine's group never bothered me.

However, when a certain author writes Luke wondering what Boba Fett would do, I nearly want to toss the book across the room.

But Satine's 'group' is ALL of Mandalore. It's not like a clan or something.

Given not only the existence of Death Watch, but how by the end of The Lawless pretty much the entirety of Mandalore had descended into civil war, it's quite clear that Satine's group was far from all of Mandalore.

Death Watch was a small group that most of the citizens didn't even know about, and yes, by the end of the lawless it had, but that was because Satine got her head chopped off.

Edit: and the Jedi were the ones who made the clones in the first place, because they foresaw the war.

They could have just gotten a regular army.

Death Watch was a small group that most of the citizens didn't even know about...

Yeah they did, they were considered a terrorist group, so pretty much everyone had heard of them.