Chewie+R2-D2

By Chris R, in X-Wing

The R2 crew card looks like it could be interesting with Chewie.

R2 reads:

"Rebel Only.

At the end of the End phase, if you have no shields, you may recover 1 shield and roll 1 attack die. On a Hit result, randomly flip 1 of your facedown Damage cards faceup and resolve it."

I could be wrong, but this means you must have at least 1 face down damage card to use R2's ability right? As such since chewie flips crits face down when he takes them and has a high hull rating this sets you up to get a lot of mileage out of R2 before the Falcon pops.

Adding C-3PO can further add to the defensive build by ensuring every defense roll gets at least 1 evade by guessing zero.

What do you guys think?

I think it sets you up for a huge problem, because if R2-D2 flips a damage card up, it circumvents Chewie's ability.

Vorpal Sword is right. Chewie (Pilot) only blocks suffered/dealt face up damage cards. Anything flipped over (R2-D2 (crew), Saboteur, Rexler...) is resolved as normal.

Edited by caelenvasius

I think it sets you up for a huge problem, because if R2-D2 flips a damage card up, it circumvents Chewie's ability.

I know. It is a trade off. You get a shield back in exchange for a 50-50 chance of flipping a damage card over and resolving it's effect. Because Chewie flips crits face down when he gets them you can use this ability on every damage card Chewie is dealt until you run out of face down damage cards which could take some time adding quite a bit of survivability and allowing Chewie to take several more hits than normal at the cost of flipping the damage cards over and resolving their effects.

Edited by Chris R

He's more looking at the large amount of non-flipped cards that Chewy will have before using R2 D2. Other Falcons will have a mix of flipped and unfulfilled hits, meaning they will have less chances to use R2 D2.

R2 D2 could give him up to 8 shields pretty reliably, depending on the crit you flip over, obviously, and how rapidly Chewy takes damage each turn. Han/Lando are more likely to give you 5/6 shields since some of the damage cards will be flipped face up before using R2 D2. With MF title and C3P0, it isn't impossible that the end game Falcon takes only 1 or 2 damage each round and Chewy will more likely get 8 free R2D2 shields than the other Falcons. If not 8 shields, at least MORE shields than the others.

I think it sets you up for a huge problem, because if R2-D2 flips a damage card up, it circumvents Chewie's ability.

I know. It is a trade off. You get a shield back in exchange for a 50-50 chance of flipping a damage card over and resolving it's effect. Because Chewie flips crits face down when he gets them you can use this ability on every damage card Chewie is dealt until you run out of face down damage cards which could take some time adding quite a bit of survivability and allowing Chewie to take several more hits than normal at the cost of flipping the damage cards over and resolving their effects.

Ah, I see. But I still don't think R2-D2 requires a face-down damage card to work--just like you can use Luke's pilot ability to flip one of your 0 [focus] results to [evade] (although that's "may" instead of "must").

If it were ruled as you're interpreting it, there could be an advantage, but how much of one would depend on how often Chewie's ability triggers versus how often you're using R2-D2. If you could replace Chewie with Han and still not have run out of face-down damage cards before you were destroyed, then R2-D2 on Chewie isn't better than he is on any other ship.

I think it sets you up for a huge problem, because if R2-D2 flips likely hood that the damage youard up, it circumvents Chewie's ability.

I know. It is a trade off. You get a shield back in exchange for a 50-50 chance of flipping a damage card over and resolving it's effect. Because Chewie flips crits face down when he gets them you can use this ability on every damage card Chewie is dealt until you run out of face down damage cards which could take some time adding quite a bit of survivability and allowing Chewie to take several more hits than normal at the cost of flipping the damage cards over and resolving their effects.
Ah, I see. But I still don't think R2-D2 requires a face-down damage card to work--just like you can use Luke's pilot ability to flip one of your 0 [focus] results to [evade] (although that's "may" instead of "must").If it were ruled as you're interpreting it, there could be an advantage, but how much of one would depend on how often Chewie's ability triggers versus how often you're using R2-D2. If you could replace Chewie with Han and still not have run out of face-down damage cards before you were destroyed, then R2-D2 on Chewie isn't better than he is on any other ship.

Also I can't see them letting R2 use his ability like that. If you roll and have to flip a damage card and do not have a damage card to flip then you cannot pay the cost of performing the effect.

Edited by Chris R

Point of order, 3po ensures you get one evade per ROUND, not per attack.

Also I can't see them letting R2 use his ability like that. If you roll and have to flip a damage card and do not have a damage card to flip then you cannot pay the cost of performing the effect.

But the card isn't structured as "pay this cost in order to do this thing". It's structured as "if you fulfill a condition, you may do a thing (that's good for you) and a different thing (that might be bad for you)."

Point of order, 3po ensures you get one evade per ROUND, not per attack.

You are right I forgot that it said per round. Still my main point was that Chewie let's you see the damage card's effect before flipping it face down when you take a crit allowing you toknow what some of your damage cards effects are before using R2.

Also I can't see them letting R2 use his ability like that. If you roll and have to flip a damage card and do not have a damage card to flip then you cannot pay the cost of performing the effect.

But the card isn't structured as "pay this cost in order to do this thing". It's structured as "if you fulfill a condition, you may do a thing (that's good for you) and a different thing (that might be bad for you)."

The word "and" is important here too. You may recover 1 shield AND roll the die. If you choose to do one I think you must do both because it says "and" here. As such if you cannot do both you cannot do either.

Edited by Chris R

The word "and" is important here too. You may recover 1 shield AND roll the die. If you choose to do one I think you must do both because it says "and" here. As such if you cannot do both you cannot do either.

There are absolutely games where this is true, but X-wing isn't one of them. If there were a ship with a crew slot but no shield value, you could still equip and activate Chewbacca, and you still get the benefit of Expose even if your Agility value is 0. Not being able to complete the second thing (or completing it by flipping up 1 of your 0 facedown damage cards) doesn't invalidate the first.

At the end of the End phase, if you have no shields, you may recover 1 shield and roll 1 attack die. On a Hit result, randomly flip 1 of your facedown Damage cards faceup and resolve it.

The card does not say, "If you have no shields and at least one facedown Damage card." Sure, you still have to roll, but if you have no cards, then the roll just doesn't do anything.

Sure, you still have to roll, but if you have no cards, then the roll just doesn't do anything.

Exactly. So many questions in this game seem to arise from people not really understanding what a card actually says. That is why good, consistent rule templating is so important.

At the end of the End phase, if you have no shields, you may recover 1 shield and roll 1 attack die. On a Hit result, randomly flip 1 of your facedown Damage cards faceup and resolve it.

The card does not say, "If you have no shields and at least one facedown Damage card." Sure, you still have to roll, but if you have no cards, then the roll just doesn't do anything.

This is my interpretation granted I feel there are better crew choices for a Falcon but it could be fun in some "theme" lists (Han+Luke+ Leia and Chewie stuck babysitting the droids say for an Epic game)