i would like SOMETHING in the imperial fleet to have a turret upgrade slot for once.
Nope, all cannons. Only turret we got at all is the Decimator's main gun or the Gozanti's "gun" (huge ship doesnt count though)
If you want to play turrets, play rebels.
I made a (conservative) TIE Avenger unnoficial expansion.
Needs Tallon Rolls.
i would like SOMETHING in the imperial fleet to have a turret upgrade slot for once.
TIE Aggressor.
Almist finished my 3D project ... found the wings were still to big in comparison with the FFG Models but working on that
Edited by RetriI love the Tie Avenger so much I bought a 3D printed model from Shapeways and use it as a proxy for a tie advanced.
I love the Tie Avenger so much I bought a 3D printed model from Shapeways and use it as a proxy for a tie advanced.
This is very nice detailed!
I don't like much the original cockpit of the TIE
Advanced
Avenger, but this mini is stunning!
And back down it sinks to depths from which it was dredged up, never to be seen again.
Keep your Avengers out of my GUNBOAT.
Might as well see if we can get this thread to 150 pages too. For all the good it will do since it looks like Disney has mandated Rebels/TFA only going forward (with the possibility of Rogue One, I guess). Honestly, this was one of the best looking ships from the "EU", and it amazes me that they never found a way to work it into the game, even though they got the fairly daft looking Defender into it, and then worse, the extremely daft looking TIE Punisher, lol.
Until then, I guess I will stick with the 3D Printed one they forced me to buy and play as a Defender/Advanced.
That Avenger looks awesome! That is how they should look. Looks like a mean interceptor/advanced.
After reading this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/ad_starfighter I believe the Defender succeeded the Avenger and would be better all around, therefore making the Avenger obsolete...
I see a couple of posts came along as I was typing stating similar ideas.
Yes though the defender is more expensive. Also the Avenger would be an in between from the interceptor and defender.
After reading this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/ad_starfighter I believe the Defender succeeded the Avenger and would be better all around, therefore making the Avenger obsolete...
I see a couple of posts came along as I was typing stating similar ideas.
actually the TIE-Avenger was meant as a mass procuded elite fighter, and the TIE-Defender was never meant to be mass produced.
Btw this is the stat comparison:
TIE Avenger: TIE-Defender TIE-Defender
(X-Wing Alliance) (TIE-Fighter):
Speed 145 MGLT 144 MGLT 155 MGLT
acceleration 16 MGLT/s 21 MGLT/s -
Manuverability 150 DPF 110 DPF 175 DPF
Shields 100 SBD 100 SBD 200 SBD
Hull 20 Ru 14 Ru 20 Ru
Hyperdrive Yes Yes Yes
Laser 4 4 4
Ion - 2 2
Warhead Capacity 4 Capacity 4 Capacity 4
Tractor Optional Optional Optional
Edited by DScipio
After reading this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/ad_starfighter I believe the Defender succeeded the Avenger and would be better all around, therefore making the Avenger obsolete...
I see a couple of posts came along as I was typing stating similar ideas.
actually the TIE-Avenger was meant as a mass procuded elite fighter, and the TIE-Defender was never meant to be mass produced.
Btw this is the stat comparison:
TIE Avenger: TIE-Defender TIE-Defender
(X-Wing Alliance) (TIE-Fighter):
Speed 145 MGLT 144 MGLT 155 MGLT
acceleration 16 MGLT/s 21 MGLT/s -
Manuverability 150 DPF 110 DPF 175 DPF
Shields 100 SBD 100 SBD 200 SBD
Hull 20 Ru 14 Ru 20 Ru
Hyperdrive Yes Yes Yes
Laser 4 4 4
Ion - 2 2
Warhead Capacity 4 Capacity 4 Capacity 4
Tractor Optional Optional Optional
Actually I would only use the Stats from TIE Fighter, as the Defender in X-Wing Alliance was toned down due to balance issues.
Didn't somebody demonstrate a few months ago that if you look at the actual stats in-game, even in TIE Fighter - they don't always match the manual - and the TIE Defender does not have 4x the shielding of the X-wing but only double the shielding of the X-wing?
Might as well see if we can get this thread to 150 pages too. For all the good it will do since it looks like Disney has mandated Rebels/TFA only going forward (with the possibility of Rogue One, I guess). Honestly, this was one of the best looking ships from the "EU", and it amazes me that they never found a way to work it into the game, even though they got the fairly daft looking Defender into it, and then worse, the extremely daft looking TIE Punisher, lol.
Until then, I guess I will stick with the 3D Printed one they forced me to buy and play as a Defender/Advanced.
That Avenger looks awesome! That is how they should look. Looks like a mean interceptor/advanced.
It's a nice looking model for sure. Mel's Miniatures on Shapeways makes it, and if you get the highest quality version it's a little pricey but you won't be disappointed. Only needs the tiniest bit of cleanup and sanding before painting. Probably looks better if you don't accidentally botch the paintjob like I did. I've been meaning to strip it and re-do it but my hobby time is limited these days and what time I do have is so compacted with 40K stuff (I have a blog about True Scale Space Marines and other conversions including the new Genestealer Cult).
We use it to substitute for a TIE Advanced or sometimes an Elite Interceptor when we play Heroes of the Aturi Cluster.
Those of us who joined the custom card league get to fly this ship AND the Gunboat. Shame none of you wanted to participate... sigh...
Edited by KdubbI like how every EU ship is "more AWESOMER THAN ANY AWESOME SHIP IN DAH MOOOOVIES EVAR!!!"
Theoretically the development process for the Imperial navy went TIE fighter >>>>TIE advanced x1>>x2>>x3>>>x bajillion>>>tie avenger>>>>tie interceptor>>>tie defender (more or less, this last one is kinda a different animal altogether)
How can the tie avenger be so drastically more manueverable than the interceptor etc? Cause some random source material decided it 15 years after return of the jedi.....sigh
Can't. Reach. Lightsaber. Need. To. Cut. Down. Argument.
*sigh*
Well, until it rolls over here I guess I'll need to use words.
The stories in the EU tended to happen after the RoTJ. After the Rebels had introduced new fighters and acquired new technologies, and after the terror weapons that served as the Empire's Boot had been destroyed. In order to combat the expanded Alliance's primary advantage (their starfighters) the Empire developed new starfighters of it's own.
How can a TIE Avenger be more maneuverable than a TIE fighter? Probably a more effective powerplant, more expensive lightweight alloys, newer-generation weapons, newer-generation thrusters (or inertal re-directors). Or, if we operate under the assumption that TIEs use solar power and ion drives complemented by mass-effect mass reduction, the increased surface area of the wings gives us more drive power for basically for free. (As long as the increase in maneuverability outweighs the increased target-profile of the ship.)
It has long been shown that in Starwars you can stuff a lot of *energy* into a small package so long as you follow the triangle of energy expense.
Do you want it to be powerful? (High-energy, high-armor, high-speed.)
Do you want it to be portable? (Small, concealable, convenient.)
Do you want it to be cheap? (Easy to build, obtain, commission.)
Pick 2. Or specialize in 1.
Com-link - Cheap, portable, weak.
Lightsaber - Powerful, portable, expensive/hard to build.
TIE - Cheap, plentiful/small, weak.
TIE Advanced - Small, powerful, expensive.
Same idea. I think there could be a better graph made for this though....
The Avenger was the production model based off of Vader's custom TIE Advanced. It was scheduled to be mass produced along with the Interceptor which had already replaced 25% of TIE Fighters in the fleet. A couple of traitorous Admirals stole many Avengers and destroyed the ship's manufacturing facilities during a failed coup attempt. A similar situation robbed the empire of fielding the Defender enmasse. All this occurred before ROTJ. It is assumed the period between Endor and Jakku had no significant new ship advancements were made.
The Avenger and Defender would have been the new standard ships for long range assault while the interceptor would have totally replaced the Fighter as the short range fighter. The fall of the empire led to a different situation than planned. And
After reading this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/ad_starfighter I believe the Defender succeeded the Avenger and would be better all around, therefore making the Avenger obsolete...
I see a couple of posts came along as I was typing stating similar ideas.
Yes though the defender is more expensive. Also the Avenger would be an in between from the interceptor and defender.
Basically the x7 with mkII is the avenger minus the tractor beam.
And btw, the TIE-Interceptor and Avenger are not really far apart on maneuverability. Thing is the Avenger is a lot more expensive, use a more powerful engine to power its shields and hyperdrive and faster top speed. Agility wise the interceptor was fine, maybe even better, the shield on the avenger was still a life savior. Both are results of the TIE Advanced program.
I take an TIE/IN any day over an x-wing, shields are not everything, but the package of the Avenger had the shields and the agility in one package, imo it was the pinnacle of the TIE-Fighter development, yet I still take a two good wingmen in a flight of TIE/INs over being stuck in a single Avenger.
And now if you would excuse me, I need to play some TIE-Fighter again …
Defender statline, Fang action bar, something vaguely Fang-ish for the dial, and upgrade slots carefully assigned; probably with some shenanigan with titles (because everyone gets a title now, hadn't you heard?) equivalent to the Mist Hunter - tractor beams yes, other actual cannons, no.
With a PS8 pilot, of course. Because there's
always
a PS8 pilot.
The Avenger was the production model based off of Vader's custom TIE Advanced. It was scheduled to be mass produced along with the Interceptor which had already replaced 25% of TIE Fighters in the fleet. A couple of
TRAITOROUS AHDMIRAlLZ.
stole many Avengers and destroyed the ship's manufacturing facilities during a failed coup attempt. A similar situation robbed the empire of fielding the Defender enmasse. All this occurred before ROTJ. It is assumed the period between Endor and Jakku had no significant new ship advancements were made.
The Avenger and Defender would have been the new standard ships for long range assault while the interceptor would have totally replaced the Fighter as the short range fighter. The fall of the empire led to a different situation than planned.
We need to put a stop to these traitors.
Vader. Kallus. Finn. AHDMIRALS.
Each of the Empire's great defeats has been because of traitors and their traitorism.
Those of us who joined the custom card league get to fly this ship AND the Gunboat. Shame none of you wanted to participate... sigh...
Yeah, and here is the beauty .
Here you go - as promised
Of course the paintjob isnt as decent as it could be ...
Edited by RetriThose models look too narrow to me.
Nice to see the TIE Avenger rearing it's Shapely head again!
Btw this is the stat comparison:
TIE Avenger: TIE-Defender TIE-Defender
(X-Wing Alliance) (TIE-Fighter):
Speed 145 MGLT 144 MGLT 155 MGLT
acceleration 16 MGLT/s 21 MGLT/s -
Manuverability 150 DPF 110 DPF 175 DPF
Shields 100 SBD 100 SBD 200 SBD
Hull 20 Ru 14 Ru 20 Ru
Hyperdrive Yes Yes Yes
Laser 4 4 4
Ion - 2 2
Warhead Capacity 4 Capacity 4 Capacity 4
Tractor Optional Optional Optional
Actually I would only use the Stats from TIE Fighter, as the Defender in X-Wing Alliance was toned down due to balance issues.
Didn't somebody demonstrate a few months ago that if you look at the actual stats in-game, even in TIE Fighter - they don't always match the manual - and the TIE Defender does not have 4x the shielding of the X-wing but only double the shielding of the X-wing?
Indeed. The stats quoted above are taken from the printed manuals or from the "Tech Room", that was a section in the games that listed stats for several ships.
The Tech Room stats were not actually taken from the actual ship data in the game, but were just text entered by the developers that became outdated by the time the game was released (due to rebalancing, pobably) and nobody cared or remembered to correct.
These are the real stats for all fighters in the original TIE Fighter game, that is the first time many these fighters appeared in the EU. The TIE Avenger is listed as TIE Advanced, that was how it was called in that game.
As you can see, the TIE Defender and Advanced were roughtly equivalent in shields to B-Wing and an A-Wing, respectively.
For the curious, the LIMGTW column lists the amount of weapon hardpoints the ship had (Lasers, Ions, Missile/torpedoes launchers, turbolaser Guns, turbolaser Turrets, capital-class Warhead launchers).
And the Shield and Hull columns list values that are relative to ships of their same class. For example the 400 SDB of a corvette IS NOT EQUAL to 4 times the 100 SDB of a B-wing or TIE Defender, but actually 16 times that amount.
Edited by Azrapse
Btw this is the stat comparison:
TIE Avenger: TIE-Defender TIE-Defender
(X-Wing Alliance) (TIE-Fighter):
Speed 145 MGLT 144 MGLT 155 MGLT
acceleration 16 MGLT/s 21 MGLT/s -
Manuverability 150 DPF 110 DPF 175 DPF
Shields 100 SBD 100 SBD 200 SBD
Hull 20 Ru 14 Ru 20 Ru
Hyperdrive Yes Yes Yes
Laser 4 4 4
Ion - 2 2
Warhead Capacity 4 Capacity 4 Capacity 4
Tractor Optional Optional Optional
Actually I would only use the Stats from TIE Fighter, as the Defender in X-Wing Alliance was toned down due to balance issues.
Didn't somebody demonstrate a few months ago that if you look at the actual stats in-game, even in TIE Fighter - they don't always match the manual - and the TIE Defender does not have 4x the shielding of the X-wing but only double the shielding of the X-wing?
Indeed. The stats quoted above are taken from the printed manuals or from the "Tech Room", that was a section in the games that listed stats for several ships.
The Tech Room stats were not actually taken from the actual ship data in the game, but were just text entered by the developers that became outdated by the time the game was released (due to rebalancing, pobably) and nobody cared or remembered to correct.
These are the real stats for all fighters in the original TIE Fighter game, that is the first time many these fighters appeared in the EU. The TIE Avenger is listed as TIE Advanced, that was how it was called in that game.
As you can see, the TIE Defender and Advanced were roughtly equivalent in shields to B-Wing and an A-Wing, respectively.
For the curious, the LIMGTW column lists the amount of weapon hardpoints the ship had (Lasers, Ions, Missile/torpedoes launchers, turbolaser Guns, turbolaser Turrets, capital-class Warhead launchers).
And the Shield and Hull columns list values that are relative to ships of their same class. For example the 400 SDB of a corvette IS NOT EQUAL to 4 times the 100 SDB of a B-wing or TIE Defender, but actually 16 times that amount.
Even I, as an Imperial fan, was uncomfortable with the power creep. Oh well, you would need really OP ships to complete those inhuman last missions...
