I understand your point totally. But they are not that much different and the avenger is really a form of the Advanced, but with heavy guns and engines. I think they could easily do a title. They could let us do our own modifications.

Take everything you just said and replace Avenger with X-Wing and Advanced with Z-95, and then you really will understand his point.

I understand your point totally. But they are not that much different and the avenger is really a form of the Advanced, but with heavy guns and engines

Granted. But you could say something similar about the difference between a Bomber and a Punisher. As the Punisher is just a Bomber with shields and additional ordinance pods.

Since TIE Fighter gave the TIE defender more powerful shields than the Avenger, I would imagine that a TIE avenger would have stats of 3/3/3/2.

3/3/2/3 I'd say. It's a stripped down TIE advanced in terms of armour plating with enhanced shielding, speed and armament. 4 agility is too powerful. Even temporary 4 agility with only 4 hull proved too much. There's a reason Stealth Devices are broken on a hit.

I don't even know why X1 is a title to begin with, when technically the Advanced we have in this game are ALL X1s.

Because it's an autoinclude: what else would you call it? It's name is the name of the ship itself.

Because it's an autoinclude: what else would you call it? It's name is the name of the ship itself.

You mean, as in, the x1 is specifically the one actual ship that Vader flies?

That's not what the wiki says. While it is a prototype, there are more than one, and they're all designated "TIE Advanced x1". While the Avenger is simply designated "TIE Advanced".

I can always get Mel's avenger from shapeways it's a nice model so although I'd love a proper production model avenger in game I could settle for the fixed advanced.

But I better get my starwing!

Well now that you have the Tie Advanced, with the X1 Title.

Just make another title, called Tie Avenger. Force players to choose between the two

That's been suggested by a few people, but that doesn't work for me because...well...they don't LOOK the same.

Avengers and Advanced X1s look completely different, so they shouldn't share the same model.

I don't even know why X1 is a title to begin with, when technically the Advanced we have in this game are ALL X1s.

I understand your point totally. But they are not that much different and the avenger is really a form of the Advanced, but with heavy guns and engines. I think they could easily do a title. They could let us do our own modifications.

There is more visual difference here than TIE Fighter to TIE Interceptor.

Well now that you have the Tie Advanced, with the X1 Title.

Just make another title, called Tie Avenger. Force players to choose between the two

That's been suggested by a few people, but that doesn't work for me because...well...they don't LOOK the same.

Avengers and Advanced X1s look completely different, so they shouldn't share the same model.

I don't even know why X1 is a title to begin with, when technically the Advanced we have in this game are ALL X1s.

I understand your point totally. But they are not that much different and the avenger is really a form of the Advanced, but with heavy guns and engines. I think they could easily do a title. They could let us do our own modifications.

There is more visual difference here than TIE Fighter to TIE Interceptor.

LOL!

The only differences are the polygon cockpit and the wing cutouts.

LOL!

The only differences are the polygon cockpit and the wing cutouts.

And the only difference between a Fighter and an Interceptor is the wing cutouts. So he's completely correct.

LOL!

The only differences are the polygon cockpit and the wing cutouts.

And the only difference between a Fighter and an Interceptor is the wing cutouts. So he's completely correct.

Not to mention the wings ARE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SHAPE.

Not to mention the wings ARE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SHAPE.

I thought wing shape is what you meant when you said wing cutouts. But I guess you just mean the little spaces it adds to the wings.

But also, the Avenger's wings are larger, and extend further forward(hence the need for those cutouts, so the pilot can see past them)

Not to mention the wings ARE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SHAPE.

I thought wing shape is what you meant when you said wing cutouts. But I guess you just mean the little spaces it adds to the wings.

But also, the Avenger's wings are larger, and extend further forward(hence the need for those cutouts, so the pilot can see past them)

Guess what, the Avenger and Advanced article on Wookiee are the same article

Guess what, the Avenger and Advanced article on Wookiee are the same article

Right...but the TIE Advanced x1 and the TIE Advanced are not. The x1 article is about the model of ship that Vader flies. And the other is about the model of ship people call the Avenger.

They're two different models of ship. And the x1 is not the name of the one specific vessel that Vader flies.

I would very much like to see a Tie Avenger...but not that version with the ugly bubble canopy. There is a way better looking version that looks like a hunter/killer. This would be another space superiority fighter. The upgrades would be sensors, missle, and beam. It should be a combination of the tie interceptor and tie advanced. 4/3/3/2. This could introduce tractor beams and give the Empire the first ship with a S-loop.

There is a way better looking version that looks like a hunter/killer.

Is it this one?

Guess what, the Avenger and Advanced article on Wookiee are the same article

Right...but the TIE Advanced x1 and the TIE Advanced are not. The x1 article is about the model of ship that Vader flies. And the other is about the model of ship people call the Avenger.

They're two different models of ship. And the x1 is not the name of the one specific vessel that Vader flies.

However they are 2 different models of the same ship.

The fact remains that besides the Avenger just being flat-out better, it is basically the same as an X1

Yes! That is what the tie Avenger should look like. It should be fast, maneuverable, deadly, and tanky with high agility and shields. Only drawback I see would be FFG giving it a cost that you could only fit 3 of the lowest PS into a 100 point list.

I also prefer that look. Because I'm partial to the ball-shaped cockpit.

Avengers should not be tanky though. An Avenger is to the Interceptor what the Advance x1 is to the Fighter.

The fact remains that besides the Avenger just being flat-out better, it is basically the same as an X1

Granted but, again, I don't see how that's any different than, say, the Bomber and the Punisher. Built on the same frames, with the same components, for the exact same roles. One is just a more advanced version of the other.

The point is, the Avenger and the Advanced x1 don't look the same, and don't share the same statistics. Therefor a simple Title card isn't sufficient to represent the ship in-game.

However there is the stupid fact that if you compare the Ebon Hawk and the Falcon, the Ebon Hawk has better stats <_<

[Derogative] A meatbag might think it stupid, yes.

T3-M4 and HK-47 should be crew. Droids are immortal.

They had a picture of HK-47 in EotE, so it's possible.

As much as I would like to see the TIE Avenger beeing released by FFG I doubt this will happen. There are far too many model variants out there even the official ones and as far as I know, none of those made it into a toystore as a final product unlike the TIE Advanced X1 and the TIE Defender. But I sure hope FFG is thinking about releasing it nonetheless.

I am convinced that a tie avenger could have a singular role in the game no matter the stats, simply becuase with the s-loop and the t-roll it could be distinguished from other 3/3/3/1 (my personal favourite in stats) craft in the existing imperial portfolio by its maneuver dial.

For the time beeing I created my own model and 3D printed it ... guess I'm not the first to do this as there are already at least 5 available models ready for purchase - but as there are so many model variants none of these quite fit into the expectations Depending on which PC game the creators liked best, they used the one or the oher skin for designing the model.

IMO the original TIE Fighter cutscene model looked best

http://wiki.starsidergalaxy.com/index.php?title=Image:Av10.jpg

... but creating a model from these cutscenes is tidious as you cannot see al the details. So I filled these up with details Fractalsponge designed.

http://fractalsponge.net/gallery/Starfighters/TIE%20Avenger/index.html

Lets see what the future brings - maybe we will then get the TIE Avenger and the Assault Gunboat. "Hope dies last"

Turrets got you down? No problem.. My speculation is that we will see the Avenger one day.

Stats? I think we'll see 3 hull like the interceptor as well as the three attack dice guns. Now the trolling...if they give it the canon shields it'll be four shields. It's mentioned as being more maneuverable than the A-wing and Interceptor...is it possible we'll see a 4 die agility?

And last, but certainly not least: what better time and ship for the roll out of the tractor beam? So a system slot is in there as well as at least a missile.

And now that I've tossed that hand grenade, imma make some popcorn...lol

Disclaimer: I'd love to see this ship...but will we get it in all it's canon glory? Will the empire get an Avenger test pilot shenanigans card? I hope so!

The Avenger had weaker shields than the Defender, so I guess it would have 2 or 3 shields.

As mentioned before, a 4 agility might break the game.

I made a (conservative) TIE Avenger unnoficial expansion.

I reduced the hull to make it more unique (even though it had the armor of an Interceptor) and it could use some unique ability (since the Wave 9 ships are so resourceful).

And I'm not very happy with the dial, but that's easy to change.

Anyway, I really look forward for an Imperial non-TIE in Wave 10. And you know what I'm talking about.

An idea might be that the title card grants boost at the cost of barrel roll. I'd lose the 1 sharp and possibly make the k turn 5 to reflect its speed.

Edit: also make Maarek Stele and Darth Vader pilot cards also.

Might as well see if we can get this thread to 150 pages too. For all the good it will do since it looks like Disney has mandated Rebels/TFA only going forward (with the possibility of Rogue One, I guess). Honestly, this was one of the best looking ships from the "EU", and it amazes me that they never found a way to work it into the game, even though they got the fairly daft looking Defender into it, and then worse, the extremely daft looking TIE Punisher, lol.

Until then, I guess I will stick with the 3D Printed one they forced me to buy and play as a Defender/Advanced.

If the TIE/SF can happen, the TIE Avenger can happen.

Imperial designs have jumped the shark. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we see a TIE destroyer epic ship at this point. With a giant eyeball cockpit that serves as bridge, reactor and super weapon. Or the TIE super interceptor with three eyeball cockpits.

Come to think of it both these designs would be better looking and more plausible than the tie sf and tie punisher.

i would like SOMETHING in the imperial fleet to have a turret upgrade slot for once.

Nope, all cannons. Only turret we got at all is the Decimator's main gun or the Gozanti's "gun" (huge ship doesnt count though)