Gotcha. I mean, I played an epic game against a jam-special transport. I had Vessery and Brath, and after being jammed, i left them that way for almost a third of the match. Between Rexler's predator and HLC and Vessery's Gunboat Buddy still being on the field, it was really hard to notice. We went about 5 turns before I started to bother trying to clear any of it. In that time the enemy lost 5 ships to the Defenders (and one to the shuttle's APL but that doesn't count in this example).

Seeing a few E-wings out there in tournament-land.

They get a few toys that the TIE-D does not, but the reverse is true as well.

I think we can dispense with the notion that the Defender is not capable of competitive success.

Uh.... citation? We must be looking at different tournaments. Have you checked the Regionals thread and statistics lately? Rexler is seeing a little bit of use. The generics are not. I need to update the stats through week 13, so here's a snippet:

Overall Ship Usage

Non-named ships + named YT-1300 (normalized, adds to 100%)

Wow. That's… that's just sad. Well surely the Lambda shuttle, once declared one of the worst ships, was able to rise to prominence as people learned how to use it. I mean now people like it, it's risen to the lofty… ranks… of...

3.16%

I'm… i'm going to just go over here now.

100% / 16 ships = 6.25% per ship, on average.

So 3.16% isn't terrible, it just means it's used half as much as the average. And if you only look at generics (+ named YT-1300, since that's the only way to get that stat line), then Omicron Group Pilot usage looks even a little bit better.

The issue is the high end is dominated by a small handful of very efficient ships. If you look at generics to basically consider the base ship only, then it is even more narrow: named YT-1300, and the generic TIE Fighter, Z-95, and B-wing are clearly the best stat lines / ships / values.

The TIE Defender, meh. Hasn't been used successfully yet. A couple people took Rexler to Top 8, and then immediately got knocked out.

The averages above are weighted based on attendance / squad placement

What majorjuggler said

Heh. I was just being cheeky. Sort of a "Hey Defender, if you try hard, you too can make it to… 3.21%."

So I'm thinking about a defender centric list for my first tourney at a local game shop. I'm thinking something along the lines of these that I threw together:

http://xwing-builder.co.uk/view/108967/tourney-v1

http://xwing-builder.co.uk/view/108968/tourney-v2

http://xwing-builder.co.uk/view/108969/tourney-v3

http://xwing-builder.co.uk/view/108970/tournament-v4

Any advice? Or are these potentially good lists? I'm going to try them out of course.

You've got Stealth twice on Kir, that is a no-go. One Modification of each type is the max.

So what you are saying is the Lambda shuttle is played 3x more than the Defender? lol

Until the new meta settles and Wave 5 arrives, sure, why not?

Until the new meta settles and Wave 5 arrives, sure, why not?

Until Wave 5 hits, it makes sense to me that the Lambda is flown 3x more often than the Deffies.

One thing lacking though is whether a ship or squads making a Top Cut is over or under representing that squad or ships presences in the tournament overall.

If half the lists are Falcons, that it isn't surprising if half the lists in the Top Cut are Falcons. If only one player out of 70 brought a Shuttle and makes the cut that says far more about the usability of the Shuttle then just X amount of Shuttles made cuts.

It would be really nice to see what options are over or under performing their overall usage but given that MJ can barely get TOs to give him full cut data, full event data is out of the question. And likely a buttload of work.

One thing lacking though is whether a ship or squads making a Top Cut is over or under representing that squad or ships presences in the tournament overall.

If half the lists are Falcons, that it isn't surprising if half the lists in the Top Cut are Falcons. If only one player out of 70 brought a Shuttle and makes the cut that says far more about the usability of the Shuttle then just X amount of Shuttles made cuts.

It would be really nice to see what options are over or under performing their overall usage but given that MJ can barely get TOs to give him full cut data, full event data is out of the question. And likely a buttload of work.

This is true, but I will be doing something halfway in between, that is still very informative.

1. First I can get a "baseline" of what people bring, by taking all the Final Cut and Top Third squads with no average; every squad is equally weighted. Although this does not have as much information as using all 609 lists that we would have had they all been reported, there are still 194 squads. This also has the advantage of removing huge swings in player skill from the equation, compared to using every single player's squad at an event.
2. Secondly, I can look at only the weighted average statistics from the winners of the tournaments, with weighting = attendance. I only have around 19 wave 4 tournaments, so the data set here is smaller.
3. Third, I can divide #2 by #1. This will show how "efficient" a ship/pilot/etc is at winning assuming it makes the Final Cut / Top Third. Again, with only 19 tournaments a lot of ships will completely left behind, especially generic pilots.
4. I can repeat #2 and #3, but by dividing by normal "weighted average" statistics by #1. This will be a much less harsh ranking, and nothing can get zero if it makes it to the Final Cut or Top Third. I think this will be my favored approach.

I will be doing all this later this week. So, stay tuned and check the thread when it gets updated!

Well, when you do all that you should post the results here. I'm very curious.