Ok, so X is double the amount the damage was reduced by during the Combat Phase, and if the damage is above printed, using Healer counds as reduction for that.

My question is, let's say you REDUCE first. Does the amount X counts for remain?

For example:

Let's say that for some odd reason I have two Healers. I use a Glanzende Nova and Frischer Himmel to give it -2 and draw 1 card. So far, I've reduced it by 2, so X will be 4.

Now, assume I do a Healer. Is the reduction still 2? Is X still 4?

Now I do an Amy's Assistance for -4 damage. Is the reduction now 6? Or 4? Does damage pump/returning to printed affect what X ultimately is?

The reduction is total reduction. It is not "this attacks printed damage minus its current damage" so yes after healer, X would remain 4.

The basic idea is play an attack, lets say lynx tail. Use its E for -4, use amy's for -5, use hilde for -1, use something else for -3. So a total reduction of 13.

Now you healer or Tae kwon do zephyr, attack is returned to printed. The attack was still reduced by 13 this combat phase, so hilde would make it (being lynx tail with printed dmg of 4) 30 dmg at this point (4 printed + 13x2 = 4 + 26 = 30)

Oh, and it would be 33spd (printed 3 + 4 from lynx tail's E + 26 from hilde)

Now you see why hilde wins games. Thing is, SOOO much stops her. She can win a game here and there (or quite a few of them) but after a few rounds of swiss she will run into someone packing answers.

Need a stamp for this.

Also, the speed got -1 from her ability as well.

ok. Its 32 spd not 33. If you fail at blocking Hilde by 1 then just lol...

What really makes hilde dirty is now they rejection, you just cobra blow back to unblockable for lethal damage....

Stampage for MR. M.

Would it work the same if there were bonuses involved? Let's say (for simplicity's sake) Hilde gave it -3, then some other effect gave it +2, would it be a reduction of 3 or 1?

Centipede said:

3. Its reduced by 3.

Remember my example, i used healer or TKDZ. Returning to printed. Reduction still there.

Smazzurco said:

**Stamp**

Related question:

Cervantes' attack Curse of the Ancient Mariner . The combo ability:

"Combo E (6+): This attack gets Powerful: X. X equals the amount the control check to play this ability was modified by card effects."

I always assumed this meant the overall amount it was modified. I.e., +3 -2 +1 would be a final modification of +2, and so the attack would get Powerful: 2.

However, this Hilde ruling makes me think it might actually mean absolute values every step of the way, ignoring final amounts. I.e. +3 -2 +1 would be a modification of 3, a modification of 2 (the other way, but who cares), and a modifcation of 1. So |+3| + |-2| + |+1| = 3+2+1 = 6, and the attack would get Powerful: 6.

Which is correct?

Is it wrong for me to expect a correlation between CotAM and Hilde?

Is it wrong for me to expect "total" to mean the final amount by which it has been modified (my first assumed explanation)?

ARMed_PIrate said:

Powerful: 6 Would be correct.

... Whoa. That's what Baranor assumed. I guess I just need to throw some extra momentum gen in Cerv, and try to swing that combo as often as possible.

Thanks!

ARMed_PIrate said:

Cerv is better then people give him credit for!