Obviously depends on the situation. You could let your opponent chase your falcon around, while the rest of your force is unmolested and picking them apart.

Right, but that can (and probably should) happen even without this particular setup. I mean, we could do point-counterpoint hypothetical scenarios all day long, I just thought you had a particular strategy in mind that was unique to this situation.

Not unique to this situation, but this ship does it best.

Not unique to this situation, but this ship does it best.

If by "this ship does it best" you mean it forces your opponent to focus on the YT, then I agree. If you mean to imply that it's the best way to implement your own particular kiting strategy, then I'm not convinced. You're tanky, sure, but you're also sacrificing offensive potential for those two extra evades. That extra defense doesn't mean a whole lot when it's going to take you that much longer to reduce your opponent's ship count, which further exacerbates the already diminishing returns of C-3PO. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying your list is bad or anything, but it is sort of unidimensional, and there's something to be said about gifting your opponent an obvious strategy.

don't want to derail the thread by re-litigating this, but I still haven't seen a convincing explanation for why, if Jan can't affect her own ship, it says "a friendly ship" instead of "another friendly ship".

I can't figure out why I am the first person to be bringing this up, but we got a ruling from frank on this just the other day.

Hello,

In response to your rules question:

Rule Question:

With the Crew upgrade card "Targeting Coordinator", can you choose yourself? That is, can a corvette using Targeting Coordinator choose itself as a "friendly ship at Range 1-2"?

Thank you for your assistance,

Yes. A card would explicitly call out “choose another friendly ship” if you were not allowed to target yourself.

This is a way for a CR90 to acquire a target lock without spending an action (and just spending energy).

Thanks for asking,

Frank Brooks

Associate Creative Content Developer

Fantasy Flight Games

While the actual question is about targeting coordinator, the language means Jan works on herself as well. All of which kind of answers the question of range 1 to yourself by default.

Original thread here

http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/111525-targeting-coordinator-on-yourself/

Someone mentioned Lando? getting evades with Lando isn't as impressive as it sounds since you are still rolling evades on green dice to get a evade token, a Boost with an EU putting you at range 3 or removing you from range one of the enemy could net you the same relative advantage but save you a crew slot. Whether you roll that green die in the activation phase or in the combat phase it still only stops 1 damage. Granted yes it basically is like rolling 2 "bonus" defense dice for the whole phase is it really worth a crew slot and action just to roll 2 green dice?

That being said, yes I would still Lando for fun builds maybe even as a recon spec alternative but I don't expect him to be used competitively like 3PO. As people earlier brought up if a Falcon is not Han and uses his EPT/Crew/Actions purely for evades, I am fine with that. I will ignore the Falcon kill its escorts and then just sorta turtle up in a tournament setting since 3 naked attack dice per turn really don't worry me, especially if my ships have their own evade tokens

Not unique to this situation, but this ship does it best.

If by "this ship does it best" you mean it forces your opponent to focus on the YT, then I agree. If you mean to imply that it's the best way to implement your own particular kiting strategy, then I'm not convinced. You're tanky, sure, but you're also sacrificing offensive potential for those two extra evades. That extra defense doesn't mean a whole lot when it's going to take you that much longer to reduce your opponent's ship count, which further exacerbates the already diminishing returns of C-3PO. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying your list is bad or anything, but it is sort of unidimensional, and there's something to be said about gifting your opponent an obvious strategy.

So my "list" of 1 ship, in which I've discussed one tactic to use with it is one-dimensional. I suppose so. It's also a heck of an initiative bid.

The YT excels at kiting, because it can shoot while it's flying away from its target. It may or may not be a fully focused/tl'd shot, but at least it gets to shoot while kiting. The only other good kiters that I can think of are the Firespray and the Phantom.

So my "list" of 1 ship, in which I've discussed one tactic to use with it is one-dimensional. I suppose so. It's also a heck of an initiative bid.

The YT excels at kiting, because it can shoot while it's flying away from its target. It may or may not be a fully focused/tl'd shot, but at least it gets to shoot while kiting. The only other good kiters that I can think of are the Firespray and the Phantom.

I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to assume you'd be fleshing out the rest of your list with either four Z-95s or two of any other ship. What would your preference be?

So my "list" of 1 ship, in which I've discussed one tactic to use with it is one-dimensional. I suppose so. It's also a heck of an initiative bid.

The YT excels at kiting, because it can shoot while it's flying away from its target. It may or may not be a fully focused/tl'd shot, but at least it gets to shoot while kiting. The only other good kiters that I can think of are the Firespray and the Phantom.

I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to assume you'd be fleshing out the rest of your list with either four Z-95s or two of any other ship. What would your preference be?

...or a kitted out e-wing that could get 4+ evade dice and 2 extra evades, or a tanky ibtisam which could also be given an evade, or 3 a-wings for blocking. I don't feel like it locks me into anything in particular.

I love when people post things about cards/rulings that aren't even out or FAQ'd like they wrote the rule book themselves.

You mean people like this?

I added the color & emphasis, in case you missed it.

It's possible, though I don't really see the benefit. You'd just be neutering your attack when the Falcon really wants to kill as much as possible as fast as possible. Not to mention all the points you spend on being able to do it.

I often think we spend too much time treating common or "proven" builds as the end-all-be-all and just circulating the same thoughts all the time.

...or a kitted out e-wing that could get 4+ evade dice and 2 extra evades, or a tanky ibtisam which could also be given an evade, or 3 a-wings for blocking. I don't feel like it locks me into anything in particular.

I was kind of assuming we were talking about competitive options, but okay. There are certainly plenty of different ways you could run it in a casual list.

...or a kitted out e-wing that could get 4+ evade dice and 2 extra evades, or a tanky ibtisam which could also be given an evade, or 3 a-wings for blocking. I don't feel like it locks me into anything in particular.

I was kind of assuming we were talking about competitive options, but okay. There are certainly plenty of different ways you could run it in a casual list.

When I first read your post I read "competitive" but soon realized what you meant was "popular". No, I don't really care about that.

...or a kitted out e-wing that could get 4+ evade dice and 2 extra evades, or a tanky ibtisam which could also be given an evade, or 3 a-wings for blocking. I don't feel like it locks me into anything in particular.

I was kind of assuming we were talking about competitive options, but okay. There are certainly plenty of different ways you could run it in a casual list.

I sort of imagine people might have said this if someone had said "You know what? I'm going to totally kit out a Falcon and a B-Wing and fly just those two."

Of course, someone did just that, and it has been quite competitive.

...or a kitted out e-wing that could get 4+ evade dice and 2 extra evades, or a tanky ibtisam which could also be given an evade, or 3 a-wings for blocking. I don't feel like it locks me into anything in particular.

I was kind of assuming we were talking about competitive options, but okay. There are certainly plenty of different ways you could run it in a casual list.

When I first read your post I read "competitive" but soon realized what you meant was "popular". No, I don't really care about that.

I think that, historically, I've been fairly clear on my competitive outlook as far as X-Wing is concerned. No, I prefer to say what I mean and mean what I say. I have no interest in what is popular so much as what is proven.

...or a kitted out e-wing that could get 4+ evade dice and 2 extra evades, or a tanky ibtisam which could also be given an evade, or 3 a-wings for blocking. I don't feel like it locks me into anything in particular.

I was kind of assuming we were talking about competitive options, but okay. There are certainly plenty of different ways you could run it in a casual list.

I sort of imagine people might have said this if someone had said "You know what? I'm going to totally kit out a Falcon and a B-Wing and fly just those two."

Of course, someone did just that, and it has been quite competitive.

Are you talking about that one vassal tournament where somebody won with a YT and a B-Wing in the first round? If not, perhaps I missed it in Juggie's Regionals thread.

Are you talking about that one vassal tournament where somebody won with a YT and a B-Wing in the first round? If not, perhaps I missed it in Juggie's Regionals thread.

Well one Regional was won with a Falcon+E-wing, and i think I saw a Falcon+Ibitsam in one of the Wave 3 Regional top cuts but I may be confusing that with the Galactic Cup Vassal Tourney

I love when people post things about cards/rulings that aren't even out or FAQ'd like they wrote the rule book themselves.

You mean people like this?

Hello,

In response to your rules question:

Rule Question:

With the Crew upgrade card "Targeting Coordinator", can you choose yourself? That is, can a corvette using Targeting Coordinator choose itself as a "friendly ship at Range 1-2"?

Thank you for your assistance,

Yes. A card would explicitly call out “choose another friendly ship” if you were not allowed to target yourself.

This is a way for a CR90 to acquire a target lock without spending an action (and just spending energy).

Thanks for asking,

Frank Brooks

Associate Creative Content Developer

Fantasy Flight Games

I added the color & emphasis, in case you missed it.

Pfft that guy has absolutely no idea what he is talking about clearly the use of "another" in his example would be redundant and a lack of a limiting word doesn't mean that that limit doesn't exist.

Personally, I can't wait for the Jake Farrell-Jan interaction gets brought up again after aces releases that will be an amusing thread. Unless we get an FAQ update before that.

Can I ask a question about the combo?

Why would you go Lando + Jan Ors? Lando is 2 dice for a chance at evades and focus.

Why not use Recon Spec + Jan Ors? This way you ALWAYS get 2 focus which you can convert to Evades if you need.

Recon Spec + Jan Ors?

Woah... how have I not thought of this yet... That is a really, really hard to breka falcon, especially if it has another action to use the Falcon title

Can I ask a question about the combo?

Why would you go Lando + Jan Ors? Lando is 2 dice for a chance at evades and focus.

Why not use Recon Spec + Jan Ors? This way you ALWAYS get 2 focus which you can convert to Evades if you need.

I would only go with Lando if I had loaded dice. I generally don't like to rely on randomness.

For Recon Spec, Jan can only turn one of those to an evade, at least from my reading of the card.

I would only go with Lando if I had loaded dice. I generally don't like to rely on randomness.

For Recon Spec, Jan can only turn one of those to an evade, at least from my reading of the card.

I've been hemming and hawing on my interpretation of Jan too.

Once per round, when a friendly ship at Range 1-3 performs a focus action or would be assigned a focus token, you may assign it an evade token instead.

It could go both ways.

But Jan does open up the crazy defensive Falcon build:

Chewie + Elusiveness + Jan Ors + Kyle Katarn + Millennium Falcon

Lando + C3P0 + Recon Spec

Chewie chooses focus as his action. Jan can turn this to an evade.

Lando moves, gives Chewie free action. Chewie uses MF title for an evade. Lando chooses Focus. Jan can turn focus into evades.

Chewie gets shot. Uses elusive. Generates stress. Which when cleared becomes free focus from Kyle. And then the whole combo resets.

Could be interesting.

I think that, historically, I've been fairly clear on my competitive outlook as far as X-Wing is concerned. No, I prefer to say what I mean and mean what I say. I have no interest in what is popular so much as what is proven.

Historically what I've read of your posts is that you tend to post jokes, jabs, quips, so no I'm not sure what you mean by a list being competitive, and if I read it I would probably not be sure if you were serious. So how do you determine that a list is competitive?

I feel like in missing something here; the only Jan Ors crew card I've found says "when you remove a stress token from your ship, you may add a focus token." So how does that get the falcon an extra evade?

I feel like in missing something here; the only Jan Ors crew card I've found says "when you remove a stress token from your ship, you may add a focus token." So how does that get the falcon an extra evade?

That's Kyle Katarn.

I quoted Jan Ors further up.

I feel like in missing something here; the only Jan Ors crew card I've found says "when you remove a stress token from your ship, you may add a focus token." So how does that get the falcon an extra evade?

That's the Kyle Katarn crew card

Assuming Jan can self serve, comparisons have to be made.

Chewie

Rec Spec

Jan

Predator

vs

Chewie

PTL

MF

Nien Nunb

I'm really liking the top and it generates no stress. Admittedly I would probably put Engine upgrade on the bottom.