I think on larger ships it works great. I am going to have them on larger models that I am currently working on for my Epic Terrain.

For small ships are you thinking about having something like mini missiles, or what?

I'm thinking

a Y-wing carrying

two Assault missiles

would mess you up!

...360!

*goes to refill his coffee cup*

I'm having trouble finding out why this Y-wing is referred to as "Red Jammer."

Because you decided to call it that? FFS, stop spamming about your ECM y-wing, it doesn't exist outside of your own imagination and FFG is not going to make one.

Would love to see some Ace Y-wings myself.. They are my favorite ship, was sad when it was A an B wings.. Be interesting if one of the pilots had a discount on buying Missiles...

I'm having trouble finding out why this Y-wing is referred to as "Red Jammer."

Because you decided to call it that?

FFS, stop spamming about your ECM y-wing,

it doesn't exist outside of your own imagination

and FFG is not going to make one.

(1) I didn't make up the name obviously, if you had the brains to use a search engine you'd see that.

(2) How ironic that I'm trying to have a discussion about a Rebel ship on a Rebel ship thread.

(3) pssss. guess what, all of this isn't real, it's all imagination, duh.

(4) you go ahead an pay FFG not to make anything anyone suggests and maybe they'll listen to you.

as for me I was the only one

who got behind the B-Wing Expanded

while Rebel Aces speculation*

was still going on, and guess what,

they made it.

*Before any cards were spoiled.

Would love to see some Ace Y-wings myself.

They are my favorite ship, was sad when it was A an B wings..

Be interesting if one of the pilots had a discount on buying Missiles...

(1) I didn't make up the name obviously, if you had the brains to use a search engine you'd see that.

Yes, let's use a search engine:

The term “Red Jammer” was applied to it via the modeling world as a referral to it and the name simply stuck.

So nope, not an official name. Whether you personally came up with it or some other random fan did it has nothing to do with any canon source.

(2) How ironic that I'm trying to have a discussion about a Rebel ship on a Rebel ship thread.

No, you're spamming about irrelevant fan designs because you think that FFG is going to make a ship based on a random comment in a fan-made RPG supplement.

(3) pssss. guess what, all of this isn't real, it's all imagination, duh.

And your point is? There are policies about what is and isn't a canon source, and those policies determine what FFG is likely to use. Anyone with any sense knows that a hypothetical y-wing expansion will be based on canon sources, not fan-made RPG supplements. And that means your ECM y-wing will never exist. You're just the only one who can't understand this fact.

(4) you go ahead an pay FFG not to make anything anyone suggests and maybe they'll listen to you.

I don't have to. Your idea is obviously stupid and will never exist. This is like saying I need to pay FFG not to listen to any suggestions about giving the y-wing 10 attack dice with no point changes or drawbacks.

as for me I was the only one

who got behind the B-Wing Expanded

while Rebel Aces speculation

was still going on, and guess what,

they made it.

First of all, I doubt you were the only person who got behind such an obvious idea. Anyone capable of making a quick google search would discover that it exists in the fluff, and from there it's pretty obvious speculation that FFG might add a crew slot.

Second, if you're trying to claim credit for anything you said after rebel aces was confirmed to exist at all then you're a dishonest moron because FFG's first announcement included the upgrade card and everyone knew about it.

Finally, I see you still struggle with the concept of wishful thinking vs. canon sources. The b-wing modification exists in canon sources. Your ECM y-wing does not. See a difference yet?

Umm, I think "official" sources is a better term to go with, what with the Shrodinger's Cat status of the canonicity of a lot of products.

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I think on larger ships it works great. I am going to have them on larger models that I am currently working on for my Epic Terrain.

For small ships are you thinking about having something like mini missiles, or what?

I'm thinking

a Y-wing carrying

two Assault missiles

would mess you up!

...360!

*goes to refill his coffee cup*

I was thinking missile pod-turrets *Dives for cover* like the new under-wing pod deals on that wonderful Z-95.

Prolly way to powerful.

I am putting them on my cool little asteroid bases... **** Right!

ON the small ships, that is to much maybe...

No, you're spamming about irrelevant fan designs because you think that FFG is going to make a ship based on a random comment in a fan-made RPG supplement.

I thought it was because nobody else will talk with him. Kind of like the other forums he got banned/suspended from.

Finally, I see you still struggle with the concept of wishful thinking vs. canon sources. The b-wing modification exists in canon sources. Your ECM y-wing does not. See a difference yet?

obviously if I can see that canon does not exclude everything absolutely.

one simple example, for now,

since that's about all I think you mind can handle.

Missiles.

How many are there?

Now I know it's tough but try to remember,

how many types of missiles can a TIE Advanced

shoot from from it's " Cluster Missile launcher " ?

is it Cluster missiles? because that would be canon.

Guess what, nope.

FFG allowed the TIE Advanced to launch...

Cluster Missiles

Concussion Missiles

Ion Pulse Missiles

Proton Rockets

Homing Missiles

Assault Missiles

So guess what, it appears FFG discounted

you holy canon for the sake of game play.

One example only.

I won't stoop to throwing insults like you do,

but they all obviously apply more to you than to me.

Also not going to dignify all the other crap where you

deliberately misunderstand what I'm saying "if you mean that..."

so you can throw all kinds of insults and then expect me to explain myself to you.

But it has to be said I'm sure your level of canon changes depending on how convenient it is for you:

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I get the concept of cannon just fine

You apparently don't because you keep talking about your precious ECM y-wing as if it exists in canon sources instead of being just a random ship from a fan-made RPG supplement.

obviously if I can see that canon does not exclude everything absolutely.

It doesn't exclude everything absolutely, and FFG is free to do things for gameplay reasons. But the ONLY reason you've provided for why the y-wing should become an ECM ship is your fan-made ECM y-wing. There are no gameplay reasons that a torpedo bomber and turret platform should randomly turn into an ECM ship with an action that has so far only been included in the epic rules.

So guess what, it appears FFG discounted

you holy canon for the sake of game play.

Nope, you just didn't bother to check all of the sources. There are canon sources (the X-Wing PC games, for example) that state that missile launchers can carry a variety of missile types. Concussion missiles are just the "default" weapon that most missile launchers are armed with unless there's a good reason to take something else.

Originally put this in another thread that referenced this one, but it really belongs here so I am reposting it.

Actually, I think the issue is that you are posting pure fan speculation and wish listing stuff but coming across like you seriously expect FFG to put something like you are suggesting into a product. If you had put all that y-wing stuff in a separate thread named "developing rules for an ECM y-wing" you wouldn't have gotten so much flak.

Also, I have noticed, you have a very strong tendency to just start throwing sentence fragments out there with no context or explanation. That comes across a lot like a 13 year old kid bouncing up and down in a game store trying to tell and older player he's never met before about his character". That is going to immediately put off any experienced gamer. You need to get in the habit of writing a introductory sentences for your original ideas.

If, instead, you had opened a new thread and started it with

"Hey, wouldn't a modified y-wing designed for electronic warfare be kinda cool and a unique way to differentiate the Y. Maybe give it stats and upgrades like this..."

And THEN launched into your cards you would have come across like a calm adult putting forth an idea for fellow fans to speculate on and maybe help you develop and improve, instead of a kid with impulse control problems who is just talking as fast as he can and doesn't realize nobody cares what he is saying because nobody can understand what he is saying.

And for the record, I do happen to think that an ECM Y-Wing would be pretty cool.

Also, I have noticed, you have a very strong tendency to just start throwing sentence fragments out there with no context or explanation. That comes across a lot like a 13 year old kid bouncing up and down in a game store trying to tell and older player he's never met before about his character". That is going to immediately put off any experienced gamer. You need to get in the habit of writing a introductory sentences for your original ideas.

I think this is an outright lie, even if you had posted some example, I'm sure you would have had to take it out of context to use it as such an example. I don't lose track of where I am, like some people I could name.

I do post my reactions of the moment, but they aren't randomly out of context.

For the record I don't need an ECM Y-wing, I'm exploring many ideas.

You have to conveniently ignore things like this

to suggested that I am fixated on an ECM Y-wing.

Try reading from the beginning of a thread, and things might not be so confusing.

If you start reading at the last post and it happens to be mine then I'm sure it isn't going to make sense,

but that's not my fault it's yours. And to claim to speak for everyone sounds delusional of you.

And, I've reread this thread and I can see you've contributed exactly ZERO,

so you're judging me just looks like someone's dad come to defend his troll son.

I'm sure you don't. But everyone else does.

Actually, they don't loose track of what you are saying because most of the time it is not clear from the get go what you are saying.

I'm sure you don't. But everyone else does.

Actually, they don't loose track of what you are saying because most of the time it is not clear from the get go what you are saying.

I just want to know why he has to spend four consecutive posts talking to himself.

No, I want you to stop bumping a dead thread with your spam.

That's one of the most retarded things I've read all week,

you think you get to decide when a thread is dead.

Ha Ha Ha Ha.

what are you 10 years old?

I'm talking about Y-wings on a Rebel Aces thread

and you're calling that spam?

what are you doing here? crap all.

Ha Ha Ha Ha.

* This will be the first time I bother changing my 'ignore' preferences.

** Seriously, how long is the list of people who added this guy to their ignore list I wonder.

*** And since there are 31 people following this 'dead' thread, I'll assume he's on some odd drugs too.

It's actually forum rules that you edit your posts to add new stuff rather than multiposting. Prevents one person keeping a thread up alone and keeps things tidy.

It gives an edit time so you don't need to worry about misrepresenting those who quote you. As for dead threads, a thread dies when less than two people are posting it.

Blaster Upgrade's an interesting concept, but it's rather expensive seeing as you have to pay for a cannon on top of that. Take B-wing/E, it costs one point, but you're then paying for the crew as well.

Also, the way FFG would probably write that is "Your ship gains the [cannon] upgrade icon. While you have a [cannon] upgrade card equipped you cannot perform primary weapon attacks."

EDIT 1:

I'm having trouble finding out why this Y-wing is referred to as "Red Jammer."

Because you decided to call it that? FFS, stop spamming about your ECM y-wing, it doesn't exist outside of your own imagination and FFG is not going to make one.

Is that... a WonderWaaagh and iPeregrine... alliance?

The end is nigh.

EDIT 2:

Missiles.

How many are there?

Now I know it's tough but try to remember,

how many types of missiles can a TIE Advanced

shoot from from it's " Cluster Missile launcher " ?

is it Cluster missiles? because that would be canon.

Guess what, nope.

FFG allowed the TIE Advanced to launch...

Cluster Missiles

Concussion Missiles

Ion Pulse Missiles

Homing Missiles

Assault Missiles

If they're standard shapes (which is wholly possible) then you could just stick anything in the tube. In addition, these customisation options are all canonically possible.

The TIE defender had Ion Cannons on the upper wing. FFG put a cannon upgrade slot on it. It has the cannon slot because it had cannons there. If FFG released a jammer missile or turret, then you could stick it on a Y-wing. But I can't see them making that jammer upgrade without a canonical precedent, especially not for the Y-wing directly.

Blaster Upgrade's an interesting concept, but it's rather expensive seeing as you have to pay for a cannon on top of that. Take B-wing/E, it costs one point, but you're then paying for the crew as well.

Also, the way FFG would probably write that is "Your ship gains the [cannon] upgrade icon. While you have a [cannon] upgrade card equipped you cannot perform primary weapon attacks."

But there's a little detail your missing, it would still technically be considered a secondary weapon,

and the point is to replace the primary and keep all the freedom that comes with it,

by that I mean a secondary weapon doesn't bother with range modifiers good or bad,

which is why I gave it the extra wording; it's a replacement primary, an "upgrade" of the primary.

Incidentally I left the cost of the card I modified, three I think it is,

and I don't think it necessarily has to be that high.

And now that I think all that through, maybe it should be that high,

since making it the new primary allows for some interesting range modifications.

It would indeed be a secondary weapon and vunerable to Munitions Failure. It's like the Outrider title without 360 fire.

The only freedom that comes with the primary is Gunner though, no? Which the Y-wing can't take because its crew slot defected to the Cult of B-wings. The difference between it being a primary and secondary weapon is the buffs it receives, and those buffs are Imperial. This is assuming that upgrade was meant to have "Y-wing only" on it.

EDIT 2:

Missiles.

How many are there?

Now I know it's tough but try to remember,

how many types of missiles can a TIE Advanced

shoot from from it's " Cluster Missile launcher " ?

is it Cluster missiles? because that would be canon.

Guess what, nope.

FFG allowed the TIE Advanced to launch...

Cluster Missiles

Concussion Missiles

Ion Pulse Missiles

Proton Rockets

Homing Missiles

Assault Missiles

If they're standard shapes (which is wholly possible) then you could just stick anything in the tube. In addition, these customisation options are all canonically possible.

The TIE defender had Ion Cannons on the upper wing. FFG put a cannon upgrade slot on it. It has the cannon slot because it had cannons there. If FFG released a jammer missile or turret, then you could stick it on a Y-wing. But I can't see them making that jammer upgrade without a canonical precedent, especially not for the Y-wing directly.

and I have trouble believing that, for example, a Z-95 could canonically have all six of those options.

Just a thought, but wouldn't some of those be Imperial or Rebel only, canonically speaking?

I don't see why. The Empire can make all of them and the rebels steal them.

A Z-95 could easily have any of them. Just stick them in the missile launcher and shoot. Much less complex than refitting a TIE defender to carry a heavy laser cannon.

I don't see why. The Empire can make all of them and the rebels steal them.

A Z-95 could easily have any of them. Just stick them in the missile launcher and shoot. Much less complex than refitting a TIE defender to carry a heavy laser cannon.

It's easy to say "well, they can carry whatever they want in there," but I haven't come across anything that backs that up yet.

Missile launchers were also occasionally mounted to the fuselages of some spacecraft to provide them with heavy armament. For example, TIE Advanced x1 starfighters were equipped to carry and launch cluster missiles. [ 7]

They don't just carry one, they carry a payload, and the mechanism has to be able to reload. so I really doubt it's as simple as you want to paint it.

Like a rifle with a magazine which takes only one caliber. Even visually you can see they are different.

It would indeed be a secondary weapon and vunerable to Munitions Failure. It's like the Outrider title without 360 fire.

The only freedom that comes with the primary is Gunner though, no? Which the Y-wing can't take because its crew slot defected to the Cult of B-wings. The difference between it being a primary and secondary weapon is the buffs it receives, and those buffs are Imperial. This is assuming that upgrade was meant to have "Y-wing only" on it.

I wasn't talking about a turret, which I get the impression that's why you prefer a secondary weapon.

I was talking about the front lasers, as the image shows, replaced with blasters.

It would be a primary weapon replaced by a secondary weapon, acting as a primary weapon.

and I don't see how Munitions failure plays into that, you may be confusing the

discussion on Ordinance swapping with the discussion on the Blaster upgrade card.

It's easy to say "well, they can carry whatever they want in there," but I haven't come across anything that backs that up yet.

What suggests you can't stick a missile with a different payload in a missile launcher?

I wasn't talking about a turret, which I get the impression that's why you prefer a secondary weapon.

I was talking about the front lasers, as the image shows, replaced with blasters.

It would be a primary weapon replaced by a secondary weapon, acting as a primary weapon.

and I don't see how Munitions failure plays into that, you may be confusing the

discussion on Ordinance swapping with the discussion on the Blaster upgrade card.

Munitions Failure (the critical hit card, not Munitions Fail safe , the modification) causes you to discard a secondary weapon upgrade card. Cannons are secondary weapons and thus vunerable to it.

Specifying the cannon you add as somehow making primary weapon attacks gets far more convulted than leaving it as a secondary weapon. Plus, it makes very little difference bar making it be affected by range bonuses and penalties. (Gunner, Howlrunner and Jonus aren't available to Y-wings).

The Y-wing's primary is its two dice forward attack. When you install a cannon onto it using the proposed mod that cannon is a secondary weapon. If that mod also prevents the Y-wing from using its primary weapon, that cannon is still a secondary weapon. It doesn't become a primary, the primary is simply disabled.

Would love to see some Ace Y-wings myself.

They are my favorite ship, was sad when it was A an B wings..

Be interesting if one of the pilots had a discount on buying Missiles...

What kind of discount are you thinking?

Dunno ballpark it at 21 points for a PS 5 with -1 point per torpedo? His ability would be basically free and discount missiles. Just throwin out ideas