I'm not enough of an authority on things EU, but is that a starfighter weapon in the SW universe?

Also, a Y-wing that can ionize a big ship with one shot feels like it breaks the large ship mechanic.

That said, I most definitely like the idea of updating the Y-wing.

No, yes, and yes. (The thing with gabe's homebrew--going back as far as I can remember on BGG, and now here as well--is that as far as I can tell he doesn't treat game balance as a design constraint.)

I think a content refresh for the Y-wing would be great to see, although it has gotten some little buffs from the slew of new astromechs lately. But of course I've said that several times already, back when this was just a baby thread instead of a creaking, arthritic old thread that doesn't understand what's going on around it.

I remember the thread he made talking about how they were using speed wrong, due to the physical realities of large bases.

I remember the thread he made talking about how they were using speed wrong, due to the physical realities of large bases.

And then it turned out that he'd made a number of errors, so he changed his comparison without acknowledging it and then forget that boost existed. Along the way he managed to insult just about every regular poster at the time.

Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure that was the thread that got him banned.

I'm not enough of an authority on things EU, but is that a starfighter weapon in the SW universe?Also, a Y-wing that can ionize a big ship with one shot feels like it breaks the large ship mechanic.That said, I most definitely like the idea of updating the Y-wing.

No, yes, and yes. (The thing with gabe's homebrew--going back as far as I can remember on BGG, and now here as well--is that as far as I can tell he doesn't treat game balance as a design constraint.)I think a content refresh for the Y-wing would be great to see, although it has gotten some little buffs from the slew of new astromechs lately. But of course I've said that several times already, back when this was just a baby thread instead of a creaking, arthritic old thread that doesn't understand what's going on around it.

Thanks. I thought a quad-turret on a fighter was pushing it.

On the one hand, I love to see creativity. Since I'm still figuring out the game (maneuvering etc.), something that big just struck me as a big deal. I guess I just don't understand the rationale behind that big a mod to the Y. I haven't seen a whole lot of lists with 2 ICTs. I thought about those lists with the first couple builds I put up on this forum, but was convinced against the idea fairly quickly.

On the one hand, I love to see creativity. Since I'm still figuring out the game (maneuvering etc.), something that big just struck me as a big deal. I guess I just don't understand the rationale behind that big a mod to the Y. I haven't seen a whole lot of lists with 2 ICTs. I thought about those lists with the first couple builds I put up on this forum, but was convinced against the idea fairly quickly.

You dropped it too soon! I've liked XXYY for a long time, and I think it just got a lot better.

Double ion cannons are a massive headache for Falcon lists, and if you attack a Phantom twice you have about a 60% chance of hitting it even if it's cloaked with a focus token. People are wondering you can add to the current metagame to reliably threaten both Falcons and Phantoms, and I'm completely serious when I say that double ion turrets is a candidate.

I'm curious to know what "alternative paint schemes" you're like to see?

As long as they come with good upgrades, does it matter?

@gabe So, looking beyond the overall negativity of all parties involved, I agree that the ability to equip a cannon as a turret is too powerful. A 360 HLC would be too much without significant points cost. That said, the Ion cannon turret is 5 points, and the Ion Cannon is 3 points, which forces your upgrade to be at least 2 points to match up on that end. A 360 HLC for 9 points still seems too cheap to me, however. If you look at my original post, I think the next way to develop the game is through control-styled play. If an anti-huge ship product is ever put together, I think a cannon capable of dishing out 2 ion tokens in one shot would be VERY cool. Maybe Huge ship only (look at the Ion cannon used on Hoth in Empire Strikes Back)? But that's getting off topic.

So I liked your upgraded double ion turret idea enough to run with it:

I'm not enough of an authority on things EU, but is that a starfighter weapon in the SW universe?

Also, a Y-wing that can ionize a big ship with one shot feels like it breaks the large ship mechanic.

That said, I most definitely like the idea of updating the Y-wing.

No, yes, and yes.

Just the fact that it can Ionize a Large ship " with one shot "

doesn't make it broken man.

So you can count Vorpal wrong on your first two points:

I'm curious to know what "alternative paint schemes" you're like to see?

As long as they come with good upgrades, does it matter?

@gabe So, looking beyond the overall negativity of all parties involved, I agree that the ability to equip a cannon as a turret is too powerful. A 360 HLC would be too much without significant points cost. That said, the Ion cannon turret is 5 points, and the Ion Cannon is 3 points, which forces your upgrade to be at least 2 points to match up on that end. A 360 HLC for 9 points still seems too cheap to me, however. If you look at my original post, I think the next way to develop the game is through control-styled play. If an anti-huge ship product is ever put together, I think a cannon capable of dishing out 2 ion tokens in one shot would be VERY cool. Maybe Huge ship only (look at the Ion cannon used on Hoth in Empire Strikes Back)? But that's getting off topic.

So I liked your upgraded double ion turret idea enough to run with it:

I'm not enough of an authority on things EU, but is that a starfighter weapon in the SW universe?Also, a Y-wing that can ionize a big ship with one shot feels like it breaks the large ship mechanic.That said, I most definitely like the idea of updating the Y-wing.

Just the fact that it can Ionize a Large ship in one shotdoesn't make it broken man:

Do you do this on purpose?

The Ion Pulse Missile only has one shot.

The Ion Pulse Missile only has one shot.

... And you're adding that to his assessment because you think it contradict something.

"...that can ionize a big ship with one shot..."

I remember the thread he made talking about how they were using speed wrong, due to the physical realities of large bases.

And then it turned out that he'd made a number of errors, so he changed his comparison without acknowledging it and then forget that boost existed. Along the way he managed to insult just about every regular poster at the time.Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure that was the thread that got him banned.

You suck at lying, but pretty much everything you said is I lie, and I can prove to anyone I'm not banned anywhere. You just like to spread the lie cause that's all you're about.

Now you've turned your vitriol on Vorpal. You know no bounds, he is infinitely more tolerant than any of us. You truly are the Nera of poo thowing. You are firing out of arc on this one...

I remember the thread he made talking about how they were using speed wrong, due to the physical realities of large bases.

And then it turned out that he'd made a number of errors, so he changed his comparison without acknowledging it and then forget that boost existed. Along the way he managed to insult just about every regular poster at the time.

Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure that was the thread that got him banned.

You suck at lying, but pretty much everything you said is I lie, and I can prove to anyone I'm not banned anywhere. You just like to spread the lie cause that's all you're about.

I let it go when you called me a liar the first time, but that's twice now and it's actually not an epithet I appreciate. So let's all go ahead and take a quick tour through the evidence, shall we?

Here's the thread in question, and I'd invite anyone who's ever considered taking you seriously on any subject whatsoever to read through it.

Here is where anyone can look through your posting history. Strangely, there doesn't seem to be anything between December 10, 2013 and June 1, 2014. And, best of all, here is where another poster put images up on your behalf because you were "on some kinda suspension".

Now you've turned your vitriol on Vorpal. You know no bounds, he is infinitely more tolerant than any of us. You truly are the Nera of poo thowing. You are firing out of arc on this one...

I'm not actually all that tolerant. The thing about gabe is that all you really need to do--all you can do, really--is hand him a length of rope and step back. I mean, just look at the shattered, smoking remains of this thread: mostly without help, he's done a really excellent job of making himself look like a vicious distraction from actual content.

Holy sheet...I left this thread pages ago because of Gabe's vitriol...I'm surprised it's still here.

LIES, LIES, EVERYTHING IS LIES

OMG, calling Vorpal a liar is beyond outrageous. Get ready for another "some kinda suspension."

Thanks. I thought a quad-turret on a fighter was pushing it.

I believe the K-wing has a Quad Turbolaser on it, but that is supposed to be to the B-wing what the B-wing is to the Y-wing

I don't think it would be an Aces release but I think it could be an interesting candidate for a Rebel wave 6 ship (could be paired against an Imperial Virago(aka StarViper) It would introduce Rebel Bomber (if they Y-wing doesn't get it with an Aces) the Quad Turbolaser could be added (maybe 4dice range 1 only since it specifies shortrange on the Wookiepedia page) and we could see an upgrade for Plasma Torpedoes.

I do not wish to speculate on a statline but I assume it would be HWKish in terms of its attack (requiring a turret and/or ordnance to be viable) and its dial and with the need to load it for bear with ordnance/turret I would expect the point cost to be fairly low for its statline in order to facilitate the upgrades

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/T-33_plasma_torpedo

You suck at lying, but pretty much everything you said is I lie, and I can prove to anyone I'm not banned anywhere. You just like to spread the lie cause that's all you're about.

I let it go when you called me a liar the first time, but that's twice now and it's actually not an epithet I appreciate. So let's all go ahead and take a quick tour through the evidence, shall we?

Here's the thread in question, and I'd invite anyone who's ever considered taking you seriously on any subject whatsoever to read through it.

Here is where anyone can look through your posting history. Strangely, there doesn't seem to be anything between December 10, 2013 and June 1, 2014. And, best of all, here is where another poster put images up on your behalf because you were "on some kinda suspension".

Now you've turned your vitriol on Vorpal. You know no bounds, he is infinitely more tolerant than any of us. You truly are the Nera of poo thowing. You are firing out of arc on this one...

I'm not actually all that tolerant. The thing about gabe is that all you really need to do--all you can do, really--is hand him a length of rope and step back. I mean, just look at the shattered, smoking remains of this thread: mostly without help, he's done a really excellent job of making himself look like a vicious distraction from actual content.

I think I just heard a distinctive 'snicker-snack' sound.

I personal like these ideas. They fall under a topic I start about Ship Variants, Like the B52, (which has 12 variants or models) there should be physical changes to each model of ships. For example, Remove the turret and replace it with a cannon slot. Would be a perfect example of a Y-Wing Variant. Here's one for the Empire, On a Tie Bomber remove two of the Torpedo slots and replace one with a Cannon Slot, and the other with a crew slot. Ship variants would make the game so much more fun. Just my humble opinion.

I remember the thread he made talking about how they were using speed wrong, due to the physical realities of large bases.

And then it turned out that he'd made a number of errors, so he changed his comparison without acknowledging it and then forget that boost existed. Along the way he managed to insult just about every regular poster at the time.Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure that was the thread that got him banned.

You suck at lying, but pretty much everything you said is I lie, and I can prove to anyone I'm not banned anywhere. You just like to spread the lie cause that's all you're about.

I let it go when you called me a liar the first time, but that's twice now and it's actually not an epithet I appreciate. So let's all go ahead and take a quick tour through the evidence, shall we? Here's the thread in question, and I'd invite anyone who's ever considered taking you seriously on any subject whatsoever to read through it. Here is where anyone can look through your posting history. Strangely, there doesn't seem to be anything between December 10, 2013 and June 1, 2014. And, best of all, here is where another poster put images up on your behalf because you were "on some kinda suspension".

Now you've turned your vitriol on Vorpal. You know no bounds, he is infinitely more tolerant than any of us. You truly are the Nera of poo thowing. You are firing out of arc on this one...

I'm not actually all that tolerant. The thing about gabe is that all you really need to do--all you can do, really--is hand him a length of rope and step back. I mean, just look at the shattered, smoking remains of this thread: mostly without help, he's done a really excellent job of making himself look like a vicious distraction from actual content.

My favorite trend is that as Gabe posts and insults everybody, the initial responses are very riled up, like somebody hit a bees nest with a stick. It slowly calms down as everybody talks amongst themselves trying to comprehend what just happened. Then, as sure as the sun will rise, the stick takes a couple whacks and the pattern repeats.

It really is the basic definition of trolling even if that's not the intent.

It really is the basic definition of trolling even if that's not the intent.

Yeah, I have been spending the past couple days idly wondering if it is deliberate or just pathetic communication skills.

Can't understand why this thread is still open though.

Yeah....my initial suggestion for the 2-ion token cannon was for a Huge Ship only slot, almost like a hard point. Somehow, it got mounted onto a basic Y-Wing, turned into a 360 firing arch, increased range, and increased attack dice/chance to hit. I dunno. It breaks game balance. One huge ship nullifying the energy production of another huge ship is one thing. A small snub fighter repeatedly shutting down a corvette in one shot is something else entirely...The suggestion was not meant to turn the Y-Wing into a super weapon.

I wonder if it might be possible for me to broker a cease-fire here. You don't have to like each other, but it'd be in EVERYONE's best interest if this crap didn't spill out onto other threads.

The Ion Pulse Missile only has one shot.

... And you're adding that to his assessment because you think it contradict something.

"...that can ionize a big ship with one shot..."

And then it's spent. The proposed quad ion can shoot every turn.

I remember the thread he made talking about how they were using speed wrong, due to the physical realities of large bases.

And then it turned out that he'd made a number of errors, so he changed his comparison without acknowledging it and then forget that boost existed. Along the way he managed to insult just about every regular poster at the time.

Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure that was the thread that got him banned.

You suck at lying, but pretty much everything you said is I lie, and I can prove to anyone I'm not banned anywhere. You just like to spread the lie cause that's all you're about.

I let it go when you called me a liar the first time, but that's twice now and it's actually not an epithet I appreciate. So let's all go ahead and take a quick tour through the evidence, shall we?

Here's the thread in question, and I'd invite anyone who's ever considered taking you seriously on any subject whatsoever to read through it.

I still stand behind the idea that the the large base ships needed their own maneuver templates, and was vindicated when they had to create new maneuver templates for the huge ships.

Here is where anyone can look through your posting history. Strangely, there doesn't seem to be anything between December 10, 2013 and June 1, 2014. And, best of all, here is where another poster put images up on your behalf because you were "on some kinda suspension".

the difference between a temporary warning "suspension" and being permanently "banned."

Maybe you have no understanding of taking a break, just as you don't of getting a life.

That's the same thread I used to prove I'm not banned:

So you are definitely a lier for suggesting the template thread and the temporary suspension are related.

The autoblaster was reintroduced during the Galactic Civil War, now as an updated version of blaster technology. Designed for the B-wing fighter, this modern autoblaster had an even higher rate of fire than other blasters, but was not available to other models until after the Battle of Endor.

Not a very serious suggestion, but not an off canon one either.

The other card was such a big hit I thought I would try

another modification upgrade that might be cool for

REBEL ACES 2.

I personal like these ideas. They fall under a topic I start about Ship Variants, Like the B52, (which has 12 variants or models) there should be physical changes to each model of ships. For example, Remove the turret and replace it with a cannon slot. Would be a perfect example of a Y-Wing Variant. Here's one for the Empire, On a Tie Bomber remove two of the Torpedo slots and replace one with a Cannon Slot, and the other with a crew slot. Ship variants would make the game so much more fun. Just my humble opinion.

Do you have a link to your thread?

Yeah....my initial suggestion for the 2-ion token cannon was for a Huge Ship only slot, almost like a hard point. Somehow, it got mounted onto a basic Y-Wing, turned into a 360 firing arch, increased range, and increased attack dice/chance to hit. I dunno. It breaks game balance. One huge ship nullifying the energy production of another huge ship is one thing. A small snub fighter repeatedly shutting down a corvette in one shot is something else entirely...The suggestion was not meant to turn the Y-Wing into a super weapon.

you mean like this kind of super weapon?

T-33 plasma torpedo

The T-33 plasma torpedo was a projectile weapon designed to disable deflector shield systems and carried by the K-wing bomber.

Sometimes known as "shieldbusters," "rotten eggs," or simply "eggs," the T-33 detonated at the shield perimeter and overloaded ray shields with a powerful cone of radiation.

The radiation burst was described as "several times the output of a capital ship's ion cannon batteries," but this description has not been explicitly quantified.

I wonder if it might be possible for me to broker a cease-fire here. You don't have to like each other, but it'd be in EVERYONE's best interest if this crap didn't spill out onto other threads.

If you take a look at my posts in this thread you'll see I'm not the one who started with the character attacks, I ignored some and counter attacked others. I note some users just show up to troll and add nothing related to the thread title, and I'm not the one who has tried to derail the thread and stop any kind of relevant discussion.

You were "vindicated" because FFG chose to use a new manuver template for huge based ships? How is that at all a vindication of your view point that FFG messed up my not having specific manuver rules for large based ships? It's not as if huge based ships differ in design from other ships in any other multitude of ways either...

So you weren't banned but temporarily suspended? So you were temporarily banned from posting on those forums for your repeated antics?

Hey, thanks for again showing us all what kind of a poster you really are. Have fun spamming the delusional home brews.