Gabe, you don't need to keep posting card pictures. I think everyone knows what missiles do.

As for missile turrets...not on a small ship.

Five seconds on Google told me all I needed to know about "Red Jammer". Emphasis mine:

[...] the Red Y-Wing Studio Model was never seen onscreen. It was speculated to have been the first Y-wing built for Star Wars-A New Hope, but that has yet to be confirmed. The term “Red Jammer” was applied to it via the modeling world as a referral to it and the name simply stuck.

Source: http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=2801

As for missile turrets...not on a small ship.

B-wing has a torp turret.

As for missile turrets...not on a small ship.

B-wing has a torp turret.

The B-wing has one special pilot that mechanically has a torpedo "turret", on a ship in which such a turret is canonically and thematically inappropriate. A single pilot. Adding a new weapon-class allows multiple ships to take it. Get the difference?

It should be mentioned, however, that Dantels' ability doesn't mean that her B-wing suddenly has a gigantic modification to the single most technologically precise ship that the a Rebels used. No, it means that maybe her torpedoes have a better guidance system and can change her direction of attack, or (even better), she as a pilot learned to better guess her target's trajectory, allowing her to fire her ordnance in such a way that the torpedo would connect even as she turns away. Remember, the movement system in this game is not exacting, it is a concrete representation of an abstract concept, that of maneuvering in 3D space with directional relativity.

Gabe, you don't need to keep posting card pictures. I think everyone knows what missiles do.

I don't think people on here should be referring to everyone's opinion unless they took a poll,

I for one don't have all the cards memorized, (you may have noticed there are now 6 types of missiles)

I post them just as much for myself, it get's ugly when people start quoting and leave the copies in the the quote.

Some of us are more visual than others, ...

Five seconds on Google told me all I needed to know about "Red Jammer". Emphasis mine:

[...] the Red Y-Wing Studio Model was never seen onscreen. It was speculated to have been the first Y-wing built for Star Wars-A New Hope, but that has yet to be confirmed. The term “Red Jammer” was applied to it via the modeling world as a referral to it and the name simply stuck.

Source: http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=2801

Would love to see some Ace Y-wings myself.

They are my favorite ship, was sad when it was A an B wings..

Be interesting if one of the pilots had a discount on buying Missiles...

What kind of discount are you thinking?

Dunno ballpark it at 21 points for a PS 5 with -1 point per torpedo? His ability would be basically free and discount missiles. Just throwin out ideas

Yes, it sounds like you are refering to

something like the Chardaan Refit:

It's easy to say "well, they can carry whatever they want in there," but I haven't come across anything that backs that up yet.

What suggests you can't stick a missile with a different payload in a missile launcher?

Like a rifle with a magazine which takes only one caliber. Even visually you can see they are different.

You can stop multi posting at any time, really. It's not hard to quote multiple posts or multiple quotes, the quote button does the work for you. You and iPeregrine really have no concept of this, I swear...

You can stop multi posting at any time, really. It's not hard to quote multiple posts or multiple quotes, the quote button does the work for you. You and iPeregrine really have no concept of this, I swear...

Actually I have encountered limits, there is some reference somewhere about a limit of 10 quotes per post.

And when I'm talking to four different people I don't see that I should mix everything up.

Some people on here want/expect/demand coherencey and clarity, while others need/expect/demand it all be mixed together, so you can't please everyone.

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There must have been some reason they chose that name for the very first "New Hope" LucasFilms Y-wing model.

There was. The guy who built the first model was in a band, and got the "Red Jammer" nickname for his bright red hair and love of extended guitar solos. From this we can conclude that the y-wing expansion will contain a pilot with the ability to remove stress tokens from friendly ships as they all smoke a little pot and put a live album on the cockpit speakers.

You can stop multi posting at any time, really. It's not hard to quote multiple posts or multiple quotes, the quote button does the work for you. You and iPeregrine really have no concept of this, I swear...

Actually I have encountered limits, there is some reference somewhere about a limit of 10 quotes per post.

And when I'm talking to four different people I don't see that I should mix everything up.

The problem is that anyone who wants to have a coherent conversation has to wade through three or four of your posts before re-establishing contact with civilization. The occasional double-post to keep things straight is understandable, but you're just spamming indiscriminately. Please stop before the mods have to step in.

It's easy to say "well, they can carry whatever they want in there," but I haven't come across anything that backs that up yet.

Missile launchers were also occasionally mounted to the fuselages of some spacecraft to provide them with heavy armament. For example, TIE Advanced x1 starfighters were equipped to carry and launch cluster missiles. [ 7]

They don't just carry one, they carry a payload, and the mechanism has to be able to reload. so I really doubt it's as simple as you want to paint it.

Like a rifle with a magazine which takes only one caliber. Even visually you can see they are different.

In Isard's Revenge (book 8 in the X-wing series) when describing the Tie Defender it is described as being capable of carrying "8 Concussion Missiles OR Proton Torpedoes depending on the mission profile"(pg 220 in the paper back) If a ship can swap between Missiles and Torpedoes like that why can't they switch between 2 types of missiles?

The Y-wing's primary is its two dice forward attack. When you install a cannon onto it using the proposed mod that cannon is a secondary weapon. If that mod also prevents the Y-wing from using its primary weapon, that cannon is still a secondary weapon. It doesn't become a primary, the primary is simply disabled.

It's easy to say "well, they can carry whatever they want in there," but I haven't come across anything that backs that up yet.

Missile launchers were also occasionally mounted to the fuselages of some spacecraft to provide them with heavy armament. For example, TIE Advanced x1 starfighters were equipped to carry and launch cluster missiles. [ 7]

They don't just carry one, they carry a payload, and the mechanism has to be able to reload. so I really doubt it's as simple as you want to paint it.

Like a rifle with a magazine which takes only one caliber. Even visually you can see they are different.

In Isard's Revenge (book 8 in the X-wing series) when describing the Tie Defender it is described as being capable of carrying "8 Concussion Missiles OR Proton Torpedoes depending on the mission profile"(pg 220 in the paper back) If a ship can swap between Missiles and Torpedoes like that why can't they switch between 2 types of missiles?

I appreciate that you had to dig deep for that,

thanks you. But keep in mind that many fringe canon writers take liberties,

I've seen for example Wotc accused of lazy writing/research,

so I take it with a grain of salt.

(accidental double post, so much for trying not to multi-post.)

It's easy to say "well, they can carry whatever they want in there," but I haven't come across anything that backs that up yet.

Missile launchers were also occasionally mounted to the fuselages of some spacecraft to provide them with heavy armament. For example, TIE Advanced x1 starfighters were equipped to carry and launch cluster missiles. [ 7]

They don't just carry one, they carry a payload, and the mechanism has to be able to reload. so I really doubt it's as simple as you want to paint it.

Like a rifle with a magazine which takes only one caliber. Even visually you can see they are different.

In Isard's Revenge (book 8 in the X-wing series) when describing the Tie Defender it is described as being capable of carrying "8 Concussion Missiles OR Proton Torpedoes depending on the mission profile"(pg 220 in the paper back) If a ship can swap between Missiles and Torpedoes like that why can't they switch between 2 types of missiles?

That's the first reference I've seen beyond Wookieepedia,

I appreciate that you had to dig deep for that,

thanks you.

I'll admit I got lucky, I happened to have the book checked out from the Local Library when I was rereading the X-wing series and didn't get around to returning it yet. (And I have a memory for useless trivia so I was able to find the portion where it was discussed fairly quickly

You can stop multi posting at any time, really. It's not hard to quote multiple posts or multiple quotes, the quote button does the work for you. You and iPeregrine really have no concept of this, I swear...

Actually I have encountered limits, there is some reference somewhere about a limit of 10 quotes per post.

And when I'm talking to four different people I don't see that I should mix everything up.

Some people on here want/expect/demand coherency and clarity, while others need/expect/demand it all be mixed together, so you can't please everyone.

The problem is that anyone who wants to have a coherent conversation has to wade through three or four of your posts before re-establishing contact with civilization. The occasional double-post to keep things straight is understandable, but you're just spamming indiscriminately. Please stop before the mods have to step in.

I don't believe you speak for everyone, just the few friends who ask you to back them up, so everything you say in that post is worthless to me.

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The Y-wing's primary is its two dice forward attack. When you install a cannon onto it using the proposed mod that cannon is a secondary weapon. If that mod also prevents the Y-wing from using its primary weapon, that cannon is still a secondary weapon. It doesn't become a primary, the primary is simply disabled.

I don't agree with this - it's a mechanic I'm trying to avoid with the extra wording on the card. I'm going to guess a card like the one isn't possible without a condition that it can't be knocked off by the Munitions Failure damage card, because it doesn't make sense for damage to the ship to revert it from blasters to lasers. Unless you consider the lasers to be slightly damaged blasters.

The Outrider does. Damage is a perfectly good explanation.

And when I'm talking to four different people I don't see that I should mix everything up.

Pretty sure it's a forum rule that you have to edit rather than quadruple post.

You're making an assumption, and I'm just looking at the different size missiles and thinking about analogous situations.

What says they're different sizes? Sure, the art varies because it would be very boring and confusing to have every missile use the same art, but A: no indication they're different sizes and B: the Empire are much more likely to use standardised casings. To go out of their way to make their various ordnance deliberately incompatible is just idiotic.

You're the one making the assertion that something prevents loading ships with missiles that have different payloads, that FFG have overridden that in defiance of canon, and somehow therefore they'll make a jammer Y-wing. My assertion is that you quite literally load a different payload missile into the missile launcher and nothing stops you doing that. If you want a real world analogy, take a tank. High Explosive and Armour Piercing shells, both fit in the main gun.

It's the nature of how forum work, people take turns talking, if you can't figure that out perhaps you should find something easier/simpler to do.

I don't believe you speak for everyone, just the few friends who ask you to back them up, so everything you say in that post is worthless to me.

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You're right, people take turns talking. They don't take four turns in a row blathering at nobody but themselves.

The problem is that anyone who wants to have a coherent conversation has to wade through three or four of your posts before re-establishing contact with civilization. The occasional double-post to keep things straight is understandable, but you're just spamming indiscriminately. Please stop before the mods have to step in.

I don't believe you speak for everyone...

Both the content and style of your posts are incoherent. You insert line breaks at random, have comma splices everywhere, capitalize with little attention to standard rules of grammar, rarely or never spell-check, often fail to punctuate your sentences. You quote yourself liberally, inflate your post count by multi-posting, and change font sizes without reason. You include card images for things that are generally well-known, interspersed with homebrew cards pulled from the aether with neither attribution nor any other kind of explicit distinction from the real card images. You randomly insult people who offer even mild disagreement.

Any one of those things would be a red flag on a heavily moderated forum. On a self-moderated forum--like BGG--they attract mild correction from your peers and, eventually, administrative action (locked threads, temporary bans, etc.) I don't really know what it means here, since the moderators are generally passive and always silent even when they're stirred to action. But your behavior represents a number of violations of common norms of online conduct, as well as common norms for constructive communication, and pointing that out isn't a claim that I speak for everyone.

...just the few friends who ask you to back them up, so everything you say in that post is worthless to me.

It's possible that the behavior I've already described has independently irritated a handful of people, who are speaking up and asking you to stop. Alternately, though, there could be a secret shadow conspiracy of people who have never met in person, all of whom are converging in an attempt to stop your message.

I mean, I know which one I'd bet on!

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Post #5 is this:

Neat find but I'm not holding my breath too much.

So clearly "evidence post #5" doesn't mean "post #5 is evidence for my position", but I'll be damned if I can figure out what else it's supposed to mean. This is what I mean when I say you're incoherent: your posts often literally don't make any sense.

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Post #5 is this:

Not surprised that you think everything in every post must be meant for you.

Both the content and style of your posts are incoherent. You insert line breaks at random, have comma splices everywhere, capitalize with little attention to standard rules of grammar, rarely or never spell-check, often fail to punctuate your sentences. You quote yourself liberally, inflate your post count by multi-posting, and change font sizes without reason. You include card images for things that are generally well-known, interspersed with homebrew cards pulled from the aether with neither attribution nor any other kind of explicit distinction from the real card images. You randomly insult people who offer even mild disagreement.

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I like how everyone who has anything marginally critical to say about gabe is automatically a liar. Lies, lies everywhere!

Both the content and style of your posts are incoherent. You insert line breaks at random, have comma splices everywhere, capitalize with little attention to standard rules of grammar, rarely or never spell-check, often fail to punctuate your sentences. You quote yourself liberally, inflate your post count by multi-posting, and change font sizes without reason. You include card images for things that are generally well-known, interspersed with homebrew cards pulled from the aether with neither attribution nor any other kind of explicit distinction from the real card images. You randomly insult people who offer even mild disagreement.

Things taken out of context, half truths, and outright lies. Talk about comma splices everywhere, your whole paragraph is practically a single long rambling sentence. as I said already, worthless.

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I put each sentence in a different colour. No shortage of full stops and proper sentences.

I really would hold back on the invective, especially over such minor matters as commas. In every post in which you've used the word "worthless" you've managed to make yourself look like the bad guy.