Darth Chuck, you know I can see how that would work, and it does remove many of the penalties of expose, but still 4 points for something you'll rarely use...
In other news my autocorrect now suggests expose automatically after I type "penalties of". Perhaps it's time I stop posting on expose threads.
I can see why expose has its issues. In terms of the Decimator though, keeping Vader and Gunner is an attempt to take a ship of the board, especially Imperial.
Must be that time of the week again, where someone thinks expose is useful until everyone else points out the math on it.
Must be that time of the week again, where someone thinks expose is useful until everyone else points out the math on it.
You need new columns to add Predator, I think
after reading all what others have said about Expose I want to give this card some love that in mind
Han Solo (46)
Expose (4)
Millennium Falcon (1)
Airen Cracken (19)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Biggs Darklighter (25)
R4-D6 (1)
Hull Upgrade (3)
Total: 100
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Almost all the time i play the Falcon i wonder why I bother rolling 1 defence dice with expose i can save my self the trouble
Craken shoots first then Han can get evade or focus whitch ever the situation calls for and we all know what Biggs can do. could also swap him for Wedge for all high PS but no safety net for Han. I know there are beter upgrades for Han but as I said above Iwant to give the card a little love. next problem is I wont be able to play test it for 2 weeks when the wife lets me out next
also Expose on Decimator I like
Now see, I've been actually considering Corran Horn as a flanker with Expose and FCS. ONLY use Expose when you know you're going to doubletap, that sort of thing. I know the math will probably point to it being a bad idea, but still.
Edited by Audio WeaselGood idea, because the Decimator don't has agility to loose, so it`s a good USP to use with this ship, even with the cost of the action, greettings.
after reading all what others have said about Expose I want to give this card some love that in mind
Han Solo (46)
Expose (4)
Millennium Falcon (1)
Airen Cracken (19)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Biggs Darklighter (25)
R4-D6 (1)
Hull Upgrade (3)
Total: 100
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Almost all the time i play the Falcon i wonder why I bother rolling 1 defence dice with expose i can save my self the trouble
Craken shoots first then Han can get evade or focus whitch ever the situation calls for and we all know what Biggs can do. could also swap him for Wedge for all high PS but no safety net for Han. I know there are beter upgrades for Han but as I said above Iwant to give the card a little love. next problem is I wont be able to play test it for 2 weeks when the wife lets me out next
also Expose on Decimator I like
Now see, I've been actually considering Corran Horn as a flanker with Expose and FCS. ONLY use Expose when you know you're going to doubletap, that sort of thing. I know the math will probably point to it being a bad idea, but still.
now that sounds like fun now i want to run...
Han Solo (46)
Expose (4)
Luke Skywalker (7)
Tactician (2)
Corran Horn (35)
Expose (4)
Fire-Control System (2)
Total: 100
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I know you mathwingers out there are thinking ive gone mad but you konw you want to try it 
Good idea, because the Decimator don't has agility to loose, so it`s a good USP to use with this ship, even with the cost of the action, greettings.
It's not a good idea, because the action cost is much worse than the Agility penalty.
@Gabe69Velasquez: every one of your Gunner columns is wrong, because they don't allow for the possibility that Gunner isn't triggered. (You can't model Gunner without reference to defense dice.)
Now see, I've been actually considering Corran Horn as a flanker with Expose and FCS. ONLY use Expose when you know you're going to doubletap, that sort of thing. I know the math will probably point to it being a bad idea, but still.after reading all what others have said about Expose I want to give this card some love that in mind
Han Solo (46)Expose (4)Millennium Falcon (1)
Airen Cracken (19)Veteran Instincts (1)
Biggs Darklighter (25)R4-D6 (1)Hull Upgrade (3)
Total: 100
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Almost all the time i play the Falcon i wonder why I bother rolling 1 defence dice with expose i can save my self the trouble
Craken shoots first then Han can get evade or focus whitch ever the situation calls for and we all know what Biggs can do. could also swap him for Wedge for all high PS but no safety net for Han. I know there are beter upgrades for Han but as I said above Iwant to give the card a little love. next problem is I wont be able to play test it for 2 weeks when the wife lets me out next
also Expose on Decimator I like
I said this same thing in an earlier thread and everyone thought it was crazy haha. The way I saw it is only use it sparingly and with a target lock from a previous round or a focus passed ex. Garven. Again emphasis is on the word sparingly and some don't like upgrades where your forced to use them sparingly. I kind of think of expose like a munitions card except you get to keep it. Using munitions cost you an action too aka TL except you don't get to use your TL it just gets flushed down the toilet along with your munitions card however they usually come with some sort of flip one hit to crit or take stress mechanic. However at least with expose you still get to spend your TL from a previous round and keep your card.
Now see, I've been actually considering Corran Horn as a flanker with Expose and FCS. ONLY use Expose when you know you're going to doubletap, that sort of thing. I know the math will probably point to it being a bad idea, but still.after reading all what others have said about Expose I want to give this card some love that in mind
Han Solo (46)Expose (4)Millennium Falcon (1)Airen Cracken (19)Veteran Instincts (1)Biggs Darklighter (25)R4-D6 (1)Hull Upgrade (3)Total: 100View in Yet Another Squad Builder
Almost all the time i play the Falcon i wonder why I bother rolling 1 defence dice with expose i can save my self the trouble
Craken shoots first then Han can get evade or focus whitch ever the situation calls for and we all know what Biggs can do. could also swap him for Wedge for all high PS but no safety net for Han. I know there are beter upgrades for Han but as I said above Iwant to give the card a little love. next problem is I wont be able to play test it for 2 weeks when the wife lets me out next
also Expose on Decimator I like
I said this same thing in an earlier thread and everyone thought it was crazy haha. The way I saw it is only use it sparingly and with a target lock from a previous round or a focus passed ex. Garven. Again emphasis is on the word sparingly and some don't like upgrades where your forced to use them sparingly. I kind of think of expose like a munitions card except you get to keep it. Using munitions cost you an action too aka TL except you don't get to use your TL it just gets flushed down the toilet along with your munitions card however they usually come with some sort of flip one hit to crit or take stress mechanic. However at least with expose you still get to spend your TL from a previous round and keep your card.
Why use is sparingly go hard or go home
Now see, I've been actually considering Corran Horn as a flanker with Expose and FCS. ONLY use Expose when you know you're going to doubletap, that sort of thing. I know the math will probably point to it being a bad idea, but still.after reading all what others have said about Expose I want to give this card some love that in mind
Han Solo (46)Expose (4)Millennium Falcon (1)Airen Cracken (19)Veteran Instincts (1)Biggs Darklighter (25)R4-D6 (1)Hull Upgrade (3)Total: 100View in Yet Another Squad Builder
Almost all the time i play the Falcon i wonder why I bother rolling 1 defence dice with expose i can save my self the trouble
Craken shoots first then Han can get evade or focus whitch ever the situation calls for and we all know what Biggs can do. could also swap him for Wedge for all high PS but no safety net for Han. I know there are beter upgrades for Han but as I said above Iwant to give the card a little love. next problem is I wont be able to play test it for 2 weeks when the wife lets me out next
also Expose on Decimator I like
I said this same thing in an earlier thread and everyone thought it was crazy haha. The way I saw it is only use it sparingly and with a target lock from a previous round or a focus passed ex. Garven. Again emphasis is on the word sparingly and some don't like upgrades where your forced to use them sparingly. I kind of think of expose like a munitions card except you get to keep it. Using munitions cost you an action too aka TL except you don't get to use your TL it just gets flushed down the toilet along with your munitions card however they usually come with some sort of flip one hit to crit or take stress mechanic. However at least with expose you still get to spend your TL from a previous round and keep your card.
Why use is sparingly go hard or go home
Haha well just not when you've got lots of ships pointing your direction or without a TL or focus.
Now see, I've been actually considering Corran Horn as a flanker with Expose and FCS. ONLY use Expose when you know you're going to doubletap, that sort of thing. I know the math will probably point to it being a bad idea, but still.after reading all what others have said about Expose I want to give this card some love that in mind
Han Solo (46)Expose (4)Millennium Falcon (1)Airen Cracken (19)Veteran Instincts (1)Biggs Darklighter (25)R4-D6 (1)Hull Upgrade (3)Total: 100View in Yet Another Squad Builder
Almost all the time i play the Falcon i wonder why I bother rolling 1 defence dice with expose i can save my self the trouble
Craken shoots first then Han can get evade or focus whitch ever the situation calls for and we all know what Biggs can do. could also swap him for Wedge for all high PS but no safety net for Han. I know there are beter upgrades for Han but as I said above Iwant to give the card a little love. next problem is I wont be able to play test it for 2 weeks when the wife lets me out next
also Expose on Decimator I like
I said this same thing in an earlier thread and everyone thought it was crazy haha. The way I saw it is only use it sparingly and with a target lock from a previous round or a focus passed ex. Garven. Again emphasis is on the word sparingly and some don't like upgrades where your forced to use them sparingly. I kind of think of expose like a munitions card except you get to keep it. Using munitions cost you an action too aka TL except you don't get to use your TL it just gets flushed down the toilet along with your munitions card however they usually come with some sort of flip one hit to crit or take stress mechanic. However at least with expose you still get to spend your TL from a previous round and keep your card.
Why use is sparingly go hard or go home
Haha well just not when you've got lots of ships pointing your direction or without a TL or focus.
Now see, I've been actually considering Corran Horn as a flanker with Expose and FCS. ONLY use Expose when you know you're going to doubletap, that sort of thing. I know the math will probably point to it being a bad idea, but still.after reading all what others have said about Expose I want to give this card some love that in mind
Han Solo (46)Expose (4)Millennium Falcon (1)Airen Cracken (19)Veteran Instincts (1)Biggs Darklighter (25)R4-D6 (1)Hull Upgrade (3)Total: 100View in Yet Another Squad Builder
Almost all the time i play the Falcon i wonder why I bother rolling 1 defence dice with expose i can save my self the trouble
Craken shoots first then Han can get evade or focus whitch ever the situation calls for and we all know what Biggs can do. could also swap him for Wedge for all high PS but no safety net for Han. I know there are beter upgrades for Han but as I said above Iwant to give the card a little love. next problem is I wont be able to play test it for 2 weeks when the wife lets me out next
also Expose on Decimator I like
I said this same thing in an earlier thread and everyone thought it was crazy haha. The way I saw it is only use it sparingly and with a target lock from a previous round or a focus passed ex. Garven. Again emphasis is on the word sparingly and some don't like upgrades where your forced to use them sparingly. I kind of think of expose like a munitions card except you get to keep it. Using munitions cost you an action too aka TL except you don't get to use your TL it just gets flushed down the toilet along with your munitions card however they usually come with some sort of flip one hit to crit or take stress mechanic. However at least with expose you still get to spend your TL from a previous round and keep your card.
Why use is sparingly go hard or go home
Well, you have to know when to hold them, and know when to expose them.
free extra attack with no disadvantage?
Massive disadvantage. No action.
Well, you have to know when to hold them, and know when to expose them.Now see, I've been actually considering Corran Horn as a flanker with Expose and FCS. ONLY use Expose when you know you're going to doubletap, that sort of thing. I know the math will probably point to it being a bad idea, but still.after reading all what others have said about Expose I want to give this card some love that in mind
Han Solo (46)Expose (4)Millennium Falcon (1)Airen Cracken (19)Veteran Instincts (1)Biggs Darklighter (25)R4-D6 (1)Hull Upgrade (3)Total: 100View in Yet Another Squad Builder
Almost all the time i play the Falcon i wonder why I bother rolling 1 defence dice with expose i can save my self the trouble
Craken shoots first then Han can get evade or focus whitch ever the situation calls for and we all know what Biggs can do. could also swap him for Wedge for all high PS but no safety net for Han. I know there are beter upgrades for Han but as I said above Iwant to give the card a little love. next problem is I wont be able to play test it for 2 weeks when the wife lets me out next
also Expose on Decimator I like
I said this same thing in an earlier thread and everyone thought it was crazy haha. The way I saw it is only use it sparingly and with a target lock from a previous round or a focus passed ex. Garven. Again emphasis is on the word sparingly and some don't like upgrades where your forced to use them sparingly. I kind of think of expose like a munitions card except you get to keep it. Using munitions cost you an action too aka TL except you don't get to use your TL it just gets flushed down the toilet along with your munitions card however they usually come with some sort of flip one hit to crit or take stress mechanic. However at least with expose you still get to spend your TL from a previous round and keep your card.
Why use is sparingly go hard or go home
Did you know playing X-Wing with Kenny Rogers gets old pretty fast?
Well, you have to know when to hold them, and know when to expose them.Now see, I've been actually considering Corran Horn as a flanker with Expose and FCS. ONLY use Expose when you know you're going to doubletap, that sort of thing. I know the math will probably point to it being a bad idea, but still.after reading all what others have said about Expose I want to give this card some love that in mind
Han Solo (46)Expose (4)Millennium Falcon (1)Airen Cracken (19)Veteran Instincts (1)Biggs Darklighter (25)R4-D6 (1)Hull Upgrade (3)Total: 100View in Yet Another Squad Builder
Almost all the time i play the Falcon i wonder why I bother rolling 1 defence dice with expose i can save my self the trouble
Craken shoots first then Han can get evade or focus whitch ever the situation calls for and we all know what Biggs can do. could also swap him for Wedge for all high PS but no safety net for Han. I know there are beter upgrades for Han but as I said above Iwant to give the card a little love. next problem is I wont be able to play test it for 2 weeks when the wife lets me out next
also Expose on Decimator I like
I said this same thing in an earlier thread and everyone thought it was crazy haha. The way I saw it is only use it sparingly and with a target lock from a previous round or a focus passed ex. Garven. Again emphasis is on the word sparingly and some don't like upgrades where your forced to use them sparingly. I kind of think of expose like a munitions card except you get to keep it. Using munitions cost you an action too aka TL except you don't get to use your TL it just gets flushed down the toilet along with your munitions card however they usually come with some sort of flip one hit to crit or take stress mechanic. However at least with expose you still get to spend your TL from a previous round and keep your card.
Why use is sparingly go hard or go home
Did you know playing X-Wing with Kenny Rogers gets old pretty fast?
Does this suggest that Gunner + Expose is better than Focus + Gunner?
Try Johnny Cash
Well, you have to know when to hold them, and know when to expose them.
Now see, I've been actually considering Corran Horn as a flanker with Expose and FCS. ONLY use Expose when you know you're going to doubletap, that sort of thing. I know the math will probably point to it being a bad idea, but still.after reading all what others have said about Expose I want to give this card some love that in mind
Han Solo (46)Expose (4)Millennium Falcon (1)Airen Cracken (19)Veteran Instincts (1)Biggs Darklighter (25)R4-D6 (1)Hull Upgrade (3)Total: 100View in Yet Another Squad Builder
Almost all the time i play the Falcon i wonder why I bother rolling 1 defence dice with expose i can save my self the trouble
Craken shoots first then Han can get evade or focus whitch ever the situation calls for and we all know what Biggs can do. could also swap him for Wedge for all high PS but no safety net for Han. I know there are beter upgrades for Han but as I said above Iwant to give the card a little love. next problem is I wont be able to play test it for 2 weeks when the wife lets me out next
also Expose on Decimator I like
I said this same thing in an earlier thread and everyone thought it was crazy haha. The way I saw it is only use it sparingly and with a target lock from a previous round or a focus passed ex. Garven. Again emphasis is on the word sparingly and some don't like upgrades where your forced to use them sparingly. I kind of think of expose like a munitions card except you get to keep it. Using munitions cost you an action too aka TL except you don't get to use your TL it just gets flushed down the toilet along with your munitions card however they usually come with some sort of flip one hit to crit or take stress mechanic. However at least with expose you still get to spend your TL from a previous round and keep your card.
Why use is sparingly go hard or go home
Did you know playing X-Wing with Kenny Rogers gets old pretty fast?
Oh, I'd definitely take Johnny Cash over Kenny Rogers any day of the week.
Try Johnny Cash
Well, you have to know when to hold them, and know when to expose them.
Now see, I've been actually considering Corran Horn as a flanker with Expose and FCS. ONLY use Expose when you know you're going to doubletap, that sort of thing. I know the math will probably point to it being a bad idea, but still.after reading all what others have said about Expose I want to give this card some love that in mind
Han Solo (46)Expose (4)Millennium Falcon (1)Airen Cracken (19)Veteran Instincts (1)Biggs Darklighter (25)R4-D6 (1)Hull Upgrade (3)Total: 100View in Yet Another Squad Builder
Almost all the time i play the Falcon i wonder why I bother rolling 1 defence dice with expose i can save my self the trouble
Craken shoots first then Han can get evade or focus whitch ever the situation calls for and we all know what Biggs can do. could also swap him for Wedge for all high PS but no safety net for Han. I know there are beter upgrades for Han but as I said above Iwant to give the card a little love. next problem is I wont be able to play test it for 2 weeks when the wife lets me out next
also Expose on Decimator I like
I said this same thing in an earlier thread and everyone thought it was crazy haha. The way I saw it is only use it sparingly and with a target lock from a previous round or a focus passed ex. Garven. Again emphasis is on the word sparingly and some don't like upgrades where your forced to use them sparingly. I kind of think of expose like a munitions card except you get to keep it. Using munitions cost you an action too aka TL except you don't get to use your TL it just gets flushed down the toilet along with your munitions card however they usually come with some sort of flip one hit to crit or take stress mechanic. However at least with expose you still get to spend your TL from a previous round and keep your card.
Why use is sparingly go hard or go home
Did you know playing X-Wing with Kenny Rogers gets old pretty fast?
Oh, I'd definitely take Johnny Cash over Kenny Rogers any day of the week.
I'd prefer Johhny Walker.
Does this suggest that Gunner + Expose is better than Focus + Gunner?
The problem isn't whether or not it's better, but whether it's enough better to make up for +4 build points and the opportunity cost of filling your EPT.
Mathematically it's a very complex question, since it involves the attacker spending a focus token when it's most advantageous, and because Gunner implicates the defender and its game state. That makes it a question you'd probably have to use simulation to answer (putting it into MajorJuggler's wheelhouse , rather than mine--SAS isn't a terribly efficient tool for that purpose, and I don't currently have access to better ones).
But my intuition says no. It's well-established that it's certainly not better with the first attack alone, which means you're counting on the second attack to make up the difference. That seems like a losing proposition, particularly against low-Agility targets; I'd much rather use Marksmanship or Predator with Gunner, both of which also have the advantage of being less expensive than Expose.
You know anyone not from the states does not know who johnny cash is right, just let country music die off people.
I only know because i'm ancient.
Most country music I would be inclined to agree with you on......
..... Johnny Cash is a special case
Most country music I would be inclined to agree with you on......
..... Johnny Cash is a special case
For the most part, country music is just pop music with a fake accent, a cowboy hat, and a marketing plan aimed at the Midwest rather than the coasts. As you say, Johnny Cash is among the exceptions.
EDIT: Well, that escalated quickly.
Edited by Vorpal Sword
Must be that time of the week again, where someone thinks expose is useful until everyone else points out the math on it.
There is some questionable math in relation to Gunner here. If you have a base 3 attack dice ship using Focus, Target Lock, Expose and Gunner you can never have more than 4 hits. Ever. Gunner does not double the number of hits you have.
Nevertheless, the spreadsheet has some interesting results. For example, Vader, a 2 attack ship, is the same using Expose versus Focus and Target Lock alone (1.5 damage each). However, if you combo an Expose with either Focus or Target Lock the damage is better than the Focus and Target Lock Combo (2.25 vs 1.875). And if you get the trifecta the damage goes up to 2.8125.
It is similar on a 3 base attack ship, but with Expose being worse as a lone action than either Focus or Target Lock alone.
For the people who decry it because it is "situational" I have one thing to say. Everything in the game is situational. Is Outmaneuver worthless because you are not always out of someone's firing arc? No. That is silly. Also, complaining it takes an Action is the same as saying that Focus is worthless because it takes an Action. Ummm, no. That is a nonsense statement.
Most country music I would be inclined to agree with you on......
..... Johnny Cash is a special case
For the most part, country music is just pop music with a fake accent, a cowboy hat, and a marketing plan aimed at the Midwest rather than the coasts. As you say, Johnny Cash is among the exceptions.
EDIT: Well, that escalated quickly.
Willie Nelson too.
