People seem totally hysterical here. the comparison was made to GW and I made the point that for less money you can play a much bigger and more varied game for the same money. 40 unpainted models for the same price you could buy 6 with Xwing.

If you really think you don't have to buy stuff you don't want ask all the B wing pilots that have 3 shuttles.

Think about all the comments don't just take the silly example mentioned one

Can you ? With the price of 6 xwing ships you wouldn't still have one quarter of a capable army list to play 40k.

And the main difference is that if i spend 100-150 euros on Xwing ships, i can play a lot of types of lists due to customization options and gameplay balance. If i buy one codex army, i would be stuck with only a handful builds to play with (if i am lucky in my codex choice, lol tyranids), even after spending more than 500E on that.

OT There is no reason for it to cost more than just because they expect us to spend the money anyways, And yes i do agree that it is a GWesque move.

The Decimator costs more because the model's so big they had to enlarge the box to fit it in. No other reason.

You really think the box is bigger? I think the visible cutout is bigger in the same sized box.

If you look closely at the two box images (SWX23, SWX24), it's clear that the Decimator box is substantially deeper.

People seem totally hysterical here. the comparison was made to GW and I made the point that for less money you can play a much bigger and more varied game for the same money. 40 unpainted models for the same price you could buy 6 with Xwing.

If you really think you don't have to buy stuff you don't want ask all the B wing pilots that have 3 shuttles.

Why did those players "have to buy" those three shuttles, though? I'm a pretty serious player, with three B-wings I use fairly often, and I own just one Lambda--because although Advanced Sensors is a strong upgrade, it's not the only strong upgrade, nor is it required for B-wings to function in a viable list.

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B wings were the only way of flying competitive for a long time.

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That's, uh... that's an interesting perspective. Feel free to keep expounding, and don't worry if men show up with a nice white jacket for you--they'll be trying to help, honestly.

Mara Jade ain't cheap.

but I really don't think the materials and labor to compensate for that size are the issue.

The Decimator is about .5 inches longer then the YT-1300, and quite a bit more bulky. That quite easily makes up for the difference in cost.

I bet it is more along the lines of due to less volume, individual item price needs to be higher to be a viable product.

Yet 4 of the 5 Large ships produced cost the same amount. The shuttle is popular no doubt, but it's not nearly as much so as the YT-1300 or Firespray.

B wings were the only way of flying competitive for a long time.

That's as flawed of a statement as most of your others. B-Wings are not required to be competitive, the Regional and Store chap threads point this out quite conclusively. Also even if you do fly B's you don't need AdvSen's to make them competitive.

B wings were the only way of flying competitive for a long time.

They were not!

With the VT-49 they may of had to pay some kind of royalties to SOE, since it was their dev team that created the design for the VT-49 Decimator. The Decimator wasn't a pre-existing Star Wars EU or movie ship. It was created by SOE for the old Star Wars Galaxies MMO.

The Decimator wasn't a pre-existing Star Wars EU or movie ship.

I'd assume that any ship created for a Star Wars property, regardless of who created it, is owned by LFL, which means they can give it to who ever they want without that 3rd party paying for it.

All I am trying to say is FFG are the same as GW when it comes to making cash they have schemes and that's what you expect.

Does FFG do things to encourge people to buy their stuff? Sure, of course they do. But the things you are saying go well beyond that, such as saying that extra tokens are price gouging.

The Decimator costs more because the model's so big they had to enlarge the box to fit it in. No other reason.

You really think the box is bigger? I think the visible cutout is bigger in the same sized box.

If you look closely at the two box images (SWX23, SWX24), it's clear that the Decimator box is substantially deeper.

I stand corrected in my thoughts about the price change then.

What made me think of that was a few years back Hasbro made a diecast Royal Guard Interceptor, just repainted a TIE Interceptor red like FFG did, but Hasbro had wanted to make it look exactly like the one in Star Wars Galaxies. It had winglets on the middle part of the solar panels but there was some kind of an issue with SOE and they couldn't do that so the old Interceptor model was used.

Going to add a pic of the YT-1300 to the list.

SWX23, SWX24, SWX06.jpg

What made me think of that was a few years back Hasbro made a diecast Royal Guard Interceptor

If SWG was still active then, that might of had something to do with it. Because it could of been considered potential competition with any models that SOE wanted to release.

The same thing happened about 10 years ago with the MMO City of Heroes. Marvel sued NCSoft/Cryptic because CoH allowed people to play Marvel trademarked characters, which would of hurt the sale of a MMO that Marvel was making that featured their characters.

The suit was settled out of court, mostly because all the examples Marvel provided of trademark infringement was created by themselves, not other players.

With the VT-49 they may of had to pay some kind of royalties to SOE, since it was their dev team that created the design for the VT-49 Decimator. The Decimator wasn't a pre-existing Star Wars EU or movie ship. It was created by SOE for the old Star Wars Galaxies MMO.

That's not how licensing works. SOE owns literally nothing created for SWG (or Clone Wars, etc). LFL owns anything with a "Star Wars" label on it.

being forced to buy something I don't want (even extra tokens I will never use) is price gouging

Every company does it their are pro's and cons to every model but thinking FFG are this great company like they are giving away games is wrong they have a model and they use it.

GW has a model and they use it

that's the game

Officer barbraddy

I declare shenanigans

I buy it all, often in multiples, and don't begrudge a penny. I want all these awesome shiny things that ffg make, and they price them at a point easily attainable for most folks. If you can't afford it/have to save for it, that sucks.

I can't afford an Aston Martin. I'd love one, but the cutting edge engineering, luxurious interior, behemoth engine and all the toys elevate it to beyond what I can afford. I don't say Aston are price gouging, I just buy something more in line with my earnings.

If x wing is genuinely causing issues with your wallet due to their entirely reasonable pricing structure, I'd suggest maybe tiddlywinks or monopoly might be a better fit for you. Or save up, or whatever.

I buy it all, often in multiples, and don't begrudge a penny. I want all these awesome shiny things that ffg make, and they price them at a point easily attainable for most folks. If you can't afford it/have to save for it, that sucks.

I can't afford an Aston Martin. I'd love one, but the cutting edge engineering, luxurious interior, behemoth engine and all the toys elevate it to beyond what I can afford. I don't say Aston are price gouging, I just buy something more in line with my earnings.

If x wing is genuinely causing issues with your wallet due to their entirely reasonable pricing structure, I'd suggest maybe tiddlywinks or monopoly might be a better fit for you. Or save up, or whatever.

I dunno about that. I bet they're charging more than they need to (as in more than cost of manufacture + enough money for the staff to live on), so it is price gauging, all capitalism is, from a certain point of view.

So you expect ffg to operate as a charity? Suspect you might need to wake up. Why would any company make anything for no profit? Yeah, they could do that, but they could also charge £25 per expansion, and still have a market. They could sell individual upgrades for £5, and some folk would still pay it.

Price gouging is not making something and selling it for a fair price. It's selling it at a ridiculous markup.

so it is price gauging

The only reasonable definitions of that term involve asking an extraordinary amount for a product, because there is no other means of getting it or because you need that item, and in some cases will quite literally die without it.

Charging $25 for a bottle of water that costs $2 normally, in the aftermath of a disaster is an example of price gouging. Charging a fair price for a luxury item never is.

so it is price gauging

The only reasonable definitions of that term involve asking an extraordinary amount for a product, because there is no other means of getting it or because you need that item, and in some cases will quite literally die without it.Charging $25 for a bottle of water that costs $2 normally, in the aftermath of a disaster is an example of price gouging. Charging a fair price for a luxury item never is.

So is it only "price gauging" if people are placed in a situation where they are forced to buy the overpriced product (like the poor guy above who couldn't live without BWings)?

Still, even in the case of luxury goods, while it may not be "price gauging" to overcharge for something, it's not very nice. If you have something other people want then the nice thing to do is sell it to them for as little as possible, surely? I'm not saying FFG do overprice, I'm just trying to steer the debate into a rights and wrongs of capitalism debate, cos that's what I do.

So is it only "price gauging" if people are placed in a situation where they are forced to buy the overpriced product

Partly, price gauging is when you raise the price of something drastically because of a short term scarcity. It implies you're taking advantage of someone, because you know they don't have many if any other options.

a rights and wrongs of capitalism debate, cos that's what I do.

As I said in another thread... We come here to discuss X-Wing and Star Wars, discussion of issues involving Religion, Politics and other social issues have no place here.

Put yourself in FFG's shoes. You've got this new format coming out that you want to promote. Do you include extra goodies that can also be used in standard play, or do you keep it epic only and hope that it has enough appeal on its own?

Perhaps I am jaded when it comes to prices.

Perhaps it is because I already have LOADS of models of all sorts of wargames.

Perhaps it is because I do have a nice job. (not intended as bragging. But I *do* have a nice job. )

But I can easily afford to buy everything in multiples if I wanted to.

And I did except for large and epic models. Even if a second Firespray is calling.

Honestly; even back in the day as a student I spent much much more on GW than I ever did on X-Wing. (thus far anyhow)

I think those who claim it is (too) expensive are simply wrong.

Anyone who complains about "price gouging" in regards to playing a GAME is barking up the wrong tree. Games are optional in life and there are a myriad of them out there in all price ranges. If you think FFG is ripping you off, stop playing or stop expanding your collection and play with what you have. As you can see from my sig, I have few models but I still have a blast playing.

Now if you want to talk price-gouging at the gas pump, that is a whole other discussion... And not for this thread.

Let's not besmirch ffg by accusing them of gw pricing, bare in mind ffg does not manufacture themselves or own the licence and we don't know how that effects prices.

Selling cards that you need for tournament play in large ships that cost £25 basically for a card put them on par with GW, nothing wrong with that they are a company and they gotta make money!

or the $90 for 1 card in c3p0, yeah **** that

Read all the posts, or don't comment negatively

Price gouging was bought up by someone having a shot at GW

I simply said FFG are just as bad in their own way but that wasn't a big problem as everyone needs to make a profit