For Regionals and Nationals, what does a person who gets a bye for his first round get in term of points for "strength of schedule"? I know he gets a full 5 point win but what does he get points wise? 100, 75, 50? Seems counterproductive to get a bye but fall out on sos points.

The 'super bye' counts as an opponent who won all of his other matches but lost to you.

In a 5 Round Tournament, the 'super bye' would grant you a SoS of 20 points.

If so it does mean that a person who plays all his rounds and wins them actually have more of an advantage than a person who gets a bye. This ofcourse given that the tourney has no final cut.

If so it does mean that a person who plays all his rounds and wins them actually have more of an advantage than a person who gets a bye. This ofcourse given that the tourney has no final cut.

No.... Beating someone who then goes on to win every other round is the best thing SOS wise that can happen to you, and that's what the bye is....Getting 5 points and 20 SOS points (for a 5 round tournament as an example) in one round is your best possible outcome. You won, and count as beating someone who then went undefeated.

Also, most tournaments will have a top cut just to be sure.

Tourneys in other games I've played the TO would find the most casual player and see if he could get him to take the bye. The casual player knows he is not going to win most likely and the big boys duke it out.

Tourneys in other games I've played the TO would find the most casual player and see if he could get him to take the bye. The casual player knows he is not going to win most likely and the big boys duke it out.

That's both shady as all hell and not what's being talked about here. They are talking about the awarded byes for winning a feeder event.

A normal bye - a bye that a player has in a tourney that has an odd number of players counts as a full win with 0 SoS I believe.

An awarded bye (regional bye for a store champ winner - national bye for a regional winner) counts as a full win with maximum possible SoS.

So an awarded by would net you a 5 point win and 100 points for killing ships. That about seems right. Kinda weird that you get a reward that may actually lower your chances of winning regionals and nationals. Thanks.

Killing 100 points has nothing to do with it. A full win is a full win.

The Tie breaker is not differential (how much you beat your opponant by), but rather SoS (how well your opponants do) and they do that by adding up all of your opponants points.

In a 5 round tourney for example, if you beat someone who ends up with a 4-1 record (you were their only loss, and they had nothing but full wins), they will finish on 20 points. This means that they will give you 20 SoS.

If you beat someone who ends up with a 0-5 record (loses all of their games), they will end up on 0 points, and you will get 0 SoS.

The idea is that beating other people who do well, is harder than beating people who come in at the bottom.

I am not familiar with the system, but why don't they just add up everyone's total SoS points and then divide by the number of games played? Then, it would be fair for everyone.

Zero idea what you are talking about there. Would you care to elaborate.

I am not familiar with the system, but why don't they just add up everyone's total SoS points and then divide by the number of games played? Then, it would be fair for everyone.

Well even doing that, you'd still end up with the same results for the bottom tier players. Adding 0 points and dividing by 5 (using godofcheese's example above) woud still net you 0 points.

rym, in his example though you wouldn't.

If my 5 SoS's were 20, 15, 15, 10, 20. I'd have a SoS of 16 (80 div by 5)

A person with a bye would have 4 SoS

say 15, 20, 10, 15. He'd have SoS of 15 (60 div by 4).

Both systems have merit. I guess they do it so that a bye, while necessary, will award you a full win so that you don't fall behind, but would not benefit you by helping your SoS.

By averaging SOS you are given the Bye even greater weight. Pairings are based on current placement. If you do well your SoS is going to be naturally high as you keep getting better scoring players. The first round is the only random pairing. This will often be the lowest SoS of the day for a higher placing player. By excluding the first round result from the bye players SoS and averaging you are giving an advantage as that player starts his SoS in the winners bracket essentially. Where as a player naturally winning thier first round has hurt thier own SoS in the end as thier opponent has earned no points.

You can't just pick random SoS number as an example either. Depending on the field it may not have actually been possible to have opponents that SoS and finish with a certain record.