Got to have a look through the Age of Rebellion RPG book today.
The Lancer, the Vigil and the Gozanti all appear. This means FFG's recanonised all of them. (The Lancer's in the frigate section however whereas the Vigil is set up as direct parallel to the CR-90 in the book.)
Guys, I think y'all called it correctly.
Edited by LagomorphiaI'm curious. What appearance does the Gozanti have?
They haven't changed it. It's lost the red markings (and thus Imperial Grey) but is otherwise a standard Gozanti.
It's also got a picture of a Y-wing that looks very card-arty, plus a picture that could definitely be a Tarkin crew card.
Edited by LagomorphiaThey haven't changed it. It's lost the red markings (and thus Imperial Grey) but is otherwise a standard Gozanti.
It's also got a picture of a Y-wing that looks very card-arty, plus a picture that could definitely be a Tarkin crew card.
Huhm. Very interesting.
I don't understand the idea that FFG has "recanonized" them. Is there any indication that the current FFG games, (which I think were all in production before the "Legends" announcement) are receiving Lucasfilm Story Group Approval? That's what canon now means in Star Wars fiction.
They haven't changed it. It's lost the red markings (and thus Imperial Grey) but is otherwise a standard Gozanti.
It's also got a picture of a Y-wing that looks very card-arty, plus a picture that could definitely be a Tarkin crew card.
If you are talking about the Y-Wing with the Rebel insignia on it, it is already used in the LCG.
And Age of Rebellion. And FFG loves sharing art. Delta Squadron Pilot appears in all three.
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The Lancer, the Vigil and the Gozanti all appear. This means FFG's recanonised all of them.
I don't think that quailifies as re-canonization; the licence deals between LFL and FFG might be older than Disney's aquisition of LFL (and so also pre-date the "Ledgends"-move). We have no idea when and with what extend of content FFG pitched it's ideas to LFL/Disney.
(That's why I'm not suprised we continue to see "Ledgends"-characters in X-Wing; the whole pitch for Wave 4/5/etc. might have been made years ago and only now they are fully fleshed-out and presentable)
Also on a side note, the Gozanti (and Black Sun) were "re-canonized" in the Clone Wars animated-series (Season 5 during the story arc in which a resurrected Darth Maul attempts to raise his own Sith empire; it's one of the better arcs and srsly is better than that pitch sounds)
Edited by 0rph3u5What I mean is FFG's used them, meaning, given they share next to everything between the LCG, minatures game and RPG, they're much more probable than things they haven't used.
As for the Gozanti, it's in TPM, so it was never non-canon.
Edited by LagomorphiaYeah, I doubt the story group has any input into the RPGs.
That's pretty big for the vigil if FFG is recognizing it and putting it in Age of Rebellion. Didn't it start as just a fan made render?
That's what canon now means in Star Wars fiction.
We of course don't know how things work exactly. But the press release the put out when they changed everything, said that all published stuff, including games from that point on would be considered canon.
Now it's possible that FFG is somehow grandfathered in somehow, but that would run contrary to what Disney/LFL said about how canon will work. The fact that FFG started working on stuff prior to that point may very well not matter at all.
As for the Gozanti, it's in TPM, so it was never non-canon.
Really? Where?
Tatooine, I think. Wookiee says it's in AotC too.
Yeah, I doubt the story group has any input into the RPGs.
I'd imagine Lucas Licensing has a fair bit of input.
Got to have a look through the Age of Rebellion RPG book today.
The Lancer, the Vigil and the Gozanti all appear. This means FFG's recanonised all of them. (The Lancer's in the frigate section however whereas the Vigil is set up as direct parallel to the CR-90 in the book.)
Guys, I think y'all called it correctly.
I think you are right my fine fellow Winger.
Dead on the $$$ in fact!
There are a lot of ships detailed in the RPG source books, so I don't think these particular three mean very much.
Got to have a look through the Age of Rebellion RPG book today.
The Lancer, the Vigil and the Gozanti all appear. This means FFG's recanonised all of them. (The Lancer's in the frigate section however whereas the Vigil is set up as direct parallel to the CR-90 in the book.)
Guys, I think y'all called it correctly.
were you looking throught he beta or the new one? i have the beta book at home but tbh i haven't even really devled into it yet..
So wookiepedia claims the gozanti is 41.8 meters. Says a vt-49 decimator is 38. Doesn't seem to be a capital ship from that description. The other two fit the bill though.
So wookiepedia claims the gozanti is 41.8 meters. Says a vt-49 decimator is 38. Doesn't seem to be a capital ship from that description. The other two fit the bill though.
There's no way that the wook is correct on that when you compare the size of TIE Fighters to the Gozanti.
So wookiepedia claims the gozanti is 41.8 meters. Says a vt-49 decimator is 38. Doesn't seem to be a capital ship from that description. The other two fit the bill though.
There's no way that the wook is correct on that when you compare the size of TIE Fighters to the Gozanti.
Wookiepedia does not seem to be a very reliable source.
We of course don't know how things work exactly. But the press release the put out when they changed everything, said that all published stuff, including games from that point on would be considered canon.Now it's possible that FFG is somehow grandfathered in somehow, but that would run contrary to what Disney/LFL said about how canon will work. The fact that FFG started working on stuff prior to that point may very well not matter at all.That's what canon now means in Star Wars fiction.
On the other hand, they are not going out of their way to brand their other current series as "Legends." I see the FFG Roleplaying games as a similar case, because they have been in development since before the Disney buyout and the change of policy that it brought.
I just think it an odd statement to say that the RPG "re-canonizes" something, without an explicit mention of it. We know that the post-ROTJ canon is going to be altered, if not wiped out, and yet we have a lot of Mara Jade and the like in the other FFG games. I'm just not really sure what it all means regarding FFG's games and canon.
All I know is I really want a Vigil to be my new flag ship. Gotta get me that wedge shaped goodness.
So wookiepedia claims the gozanti is 41.8 meters. Says a vt-49 decimator is 38. Doesn't seem to be a capital ship from that description. The other two fit the bill though.
Wookieepedia's measure can't possibly be right, no matter what the source says. I was hoping to start building a scratch-built Gozanti Cruiser with an "Imperial refit" as per the teasers from the upcoming Rebels TV series -- i.e., with the triangular wing add-on and with four TIEs riding underneath -- but if 41.8m is its true size, then at 1:270 scale the TIEs would need to be .75" front-to-back or SMALLER in order to fit down there as shown in the screen shots.
(EDIT: The FFG models, for comparison, show the TIEs as 1.25" long from front to back. I know there was some "controversy" regarding Wookieepedia's measure for TIE fighters, but I thought those were silly, too, if a human being was to fit inside that bulb, and if we were using proportions more like the movies rather than the old Kenner toys. I think FFG has been doing a great job at trying to stick to printed canon values as a starting point, but looking for alternate sources -- such as the original movie models and using the original 1:24 pilot figures as references -- or calling it when the numbers just make no sense.)
Based on my unscientific estimates, I would need the Gozanti Cruiser to be about 70m long in order to have it be large enough to carry those TIEs (or at least to have the model be big enough not to look silly next to FFG's TIE fighter models once I shrank it down to 1:270 scale).
Or, in any case, the Age of Rebellion stats for a Gozanti Cruiser suggest something larger in Silhouette than the Millennium Falcon, yet if you print out a 1:270 scale cut-out of the "42m Gozanti" and hold it next to FFG's YT-1300, it doesn't look much bigger, and that cockpit area is awfully cramped for the presumed-human-sized pilot. (Or, technically, the ship looks longer, but skinnier, and not convincing that it would hold any more cargo or need any more crew, let alone be able to carry four TIE fighters.)
I have no solid evidence for my 70m ballpark estimate, but 42m is just silly. It sounds like "just numbers," but once it comes down to actually trying to make a model to scale, it just LOOKS SO WRONG. I hope that gets amended at some point.
Edited by Jordan PeacockThat's pretty big for the vigil if FFG is recognizing it and putting it in Age of Rebellion. Didn't it start as just a fan made render?
Yep. It was a fan model, and then the artist put a small and blurry shot of it in the background of an image they were commissioned to do for a licensed product, making it canon. But I don't really understand why anyone is so interested in seeing more of it. It's not a bad design, but I'd rather see something with more history behind it.
There's no way that the wook is correct on that when you compare the size of TIE Fighters to the Gozanti.So wookiepedia claims the gozanti is 41.8 meters. Says a vt-49 decimator is 38. Doesn't seem to be a capital ship from that description. The other two fit the bill though.
Maybe they are remote control mini Tie fighters :-P