Had a disagreement in a game tonight (we were using a place holder). Jan Ors crew card reads;

Once per round, when a friendly ship at Range 1-3 performs a focus action or would be assigned a focus token, you may assign it an evade token instead.

If you look at any other similar ability they say 'other friendly ship'. But you could also argue the ship with Jan isn't at range 1-3.

Thoughts? Can Jan target the ship she is on?

It's an open question. We don't really know. I sent it in to FFG a while ago but never heard back (possibly the response got lost in my spam folder, I don't know).

Personally, I am of the opinion that no, you can't target yourself with such abilities. I think if they had meant that then the whole sentance would have been phrased very differently, not just one word that can be chalked up to different people actually writing the card.

This came up a while back with the Fleet Officer. The rules are a little bit fuzzy. Going by the rulebook, it seems that friendly is just a catch-all term for "on your side", so that's okay (I think...). But do you count as being within range 1-3 of yourself? That's less clear.

Did you ever resend the question, Lore? Might be worth a shot.

Seems to me that since range is measured from the edge of the base to the target, it's not possible to be within Range 1 of yourself.

Seems to me that since range is measured from the edge of the base to the target, it's not possible to be within Range 1 of yourself.

This is exactly my understanding of the rules. You cannot physically be within range 1 of yourself since you measure from your base to... What exactly? Nothing? If you only have 1 point you don't have a line. If you don't have a line you don't have range. Therefore you don't meet the range requirements.

I'd have to say no.

Just like many others here say.

Your measuring off your base which is the point in which you measure.

The ship is not in range one of itself.

I kind of been saying think of it as almost range 0. Yes I know there is no range 0. The point is that this is the point of where the measurement starts.

I don't know why they worded the way it did but I'm pretty sure the ship cannot be in range one of itself

Functionally the closest point to closest point of your edge is any other part of your basea. The measurement rules appear to cover yourself as in range. From there there is language on several cards like assault missile that suggest you are in range one of yourself. All of that said, it is very much in the air. I am of the opinion it will, and many of the more experienced members agree Rules as Written that is how it will work, but the intent is not clear.

Ffg will have to really release another faq.

It would be nice if they compiled all into one

It's given in other games for a model to be considered with in range X of itself. Be that inches, CM, or some other system like X-Wing. That however isn't really proof of how it works here.

But FFG has yet to say one way or another, even though it's come up a couple times now, first with Swarm Tactics, then with Jan and again with Fleet Officer. So until we have an official word from them, I guess everyone will have to decide how to play it for themselves, or have the TO make a decision if it's in a tournament.

It would be nice if they compiled all into one

They do, each FAQ has all the answers from the previous ones. The latest one was reformatted to make it clearer. But all the answers/rulings are still there.

It would be nice if they compiled all into one

They do, each FAQ has all the answers from the previous ones. The latest one was reformatted to make it clearer. But all the answers/rulings are still there.

He means it would be nice to get a fully redone rulebook/ FAQ, with the rules and rule cards all added into one place. Preferably as a PDF and purchasable book, as well as in the tournament Kits.

It would be nice if they compiled all into one

They do, each FAQ has all the answers from the previous ones. The latest one was reformatted to make it clearer. But all the answers/rulings are still there.

Either I didn't notice or maybe I just downloaded the wrong file

Either I didn't notice or maybe I just downloaded the wrong file

Well like I said they completely changed the latest version of the FAQ. But the one here is the most recent one.

Well doesn't "a friendly ship" imply someone other than you? I get wanting FFG to clarify things, but they shouldn't have to FAQ common sense.

Well doesn't "a friendly ship" imply someone other than you? I get wanting FFG to clarify things, but they shouldn't have to FAQ common sense.

Why wouldn't you be friendly to yourself?

I don't suppose there's any chance that we could just refer everyone to the previous three uberthreads on this and let them replay it with sock puppets rather than going back over the same "We'll have to wait for FFG" points?

Well doesn't "a friendly ship" imply someone other than you? I get wanting FFG to clarify things, but they shouldn't have to FAQ common sense.

Why wouldn't you be friendly to yourself?

I don't suppose there's any chance that we could just refer everyone to the previous three uberthreads on this and let them replay it with sock puppets rather than going back over the same "We'll have to wait for FFG" points?

Guess that means Princess Leia doesn't work on the ship she is on since that isn't a friendly ship.

I think it all come down to if a ship is in range of itself.

Well doesn't "a friendly ship" imply someone other than you?

No it does not. Especially when the term is defined in the rules as any ships on your side. Even with out that, most games use the term 'friendly' to mean anything on your side. It does not normally IME anyway exclude the unit preforming the action.

Why are people even talking about "friendly" no one is saying that a ship is not friendly to itself... That's obvious. The issue is whether a ship is at range 1-3 of itself. That is where cards like Princess Leia and Jan Ors differ - leia is not restricted by range.

Why are people even talking about "friendly" no one is saying that a ship is not friendly to itself..

Yes they are...

Well doesn't "a friendly ship" imply someone other than you?

That's why we started talking about if a ship is friendly to itself or not.

I don't suppose there's any chance that we could just refer everyone to the previous three uberthreads on this and let them replay it with sock puppets rather than going back over the same "We'll have to wait for FFG" points?

Looks like that would be a "no". Pity. I'm a big fan of sock puppets.

Big copy and paste here from another website where these questions were asked and answered by FFG about a month ago by another forum poster, in typical vague fashion from FFG:

Here is my initial rules question: Some abilities affect "friendly ships at Range X." Most of these abilities use "other" or "another" to denote that the ability does not affect the ship that the range is measured from. But some abilities do not use these qualifiers.

The question is can a ship be considered "at Range 1" from itself?

My interpretation is that a ship is not considered to be at Range 1 of itself. For a ship to be at a certain range that section of the range ruler must overlap the target's base. The rules for measuring distance state to place the range ruler so that it touches the point of origin and points away from the ship toward the target. Therefore, the point of origin cannot be at Range 1 because that section of the range ruler does not overlap the point of origin's base.

Here is Frank Brooks' initial response: I don’t believe there are any abilities where this matters. If an ability does not say other or another, then it has no effect if you affected yourself. If you can give me an example where it matters whether a ship is at Range 1 of itself, I will give you a more helpful response.

Thanks for playing,

Frank Brooks

Associate Creative Content Developer

Fantasy Flight Games

Here is my follow up: Thanks for the quick response.

This is actually an issue with the new Jan Ors crew card from the Rebel Aces expansion that has recently been previewed in Game Trade Magazine.

Once per round, when a friendly ship at Range 1-3 performs a focus action or would be assigned a focus token, you may assign that ship an evade token instead.

If a ship can be considered at Range 1 of itself then a ship equipped with Jan Ors could assign itself an evade token.

Here is Frank Brooks' response to my follow up: That is indeed an example. (Sometimes its hard to remember what information has been released yet so I didn’t want to disclose anything that wasn’t announced yet.) Up until Rebel Aces, there aren’t any abilities where this matters.

I cannot answer rules questions about ships that are not released yet. I will reply to this once Rebel Aces is available for purchase.

Thanks for the question though. We will add it to the FAQ.

Frank Brooks

Associate Creative Content Developer
Fantasy Flight Games

Most e-mail responses from the FFG staff are rather vague. They tend to only address specific questions with specific answers as if they don't want to divulge too many details about the underlying mechanics of the system. But I found the "if an ability does not say other or another, then it has no effect if you affected yourself" statement rather interesting. This seems to infer that the underlying mechanic is that a ship cannot be at range 1 of itself.

So basically they wont rule on anything that hasn't officially been released yet, but as stated above:

"if an ability does not say other or another, then it has no effect if you affected yourself"

This at least seems to answer the question of whether Jan Crew can affect the ship she is on, though that statement is very poorly worded to begin with.

I cant see why FFG refuse to answer these simple questions:

Is a ship Friendly with itself? Y/N

Is a ship considered within range 1 of itself? Y/N

How big is a Proton/Seismic charge token?

The wording on that says you only take damage at range 1 so if you were to land on it perfectly you wouldn't be at range.

Both bomb tokens are smaller than a base.

Both bomb tokens are smaller than a base.

Whew, I'd hate to see that argument in a game.

Functionally the closest point to closest point of your edge is any other part of your basea. The measurement rules appear to cover yourself as in range. From there there is language on several cards like assault missile that suggest you are in range one of yourself. All of that said, it is very much in the air. I am of the opinion it will, and many of the more experienced members agree Rules as Written that is how it will work, but the intent is not clear.

You measure off the point of impact. Anything within range one of where it hits.

So ship A fires hits ship B. She A is in range one of ship B. Therefore ship A takes dmg.

I don't know why so many seen to argue something that is blatantly so obvious.

When you measure there is a point from where you measure. You measure off the edge to closest point to the other.

The point from where you start is not range 1. Range 1 would start from the very edge.

Also if ffg intended on having said ship included, then they would have worded it in a way to easily understand, rather than such a vague way.

I suggest play it as not being in range one of yourself because it will change once they release the faq about it, you might as well get use to it now. Rather than adjust later

Just wanted to add that with assault missles when they hit the target. The target does not take the extra splash damage.

So I shot at ship B. Three hits. He takes three and everything else at range one takes one. Ship B does not take an extra point of damage