They need to errata Expose to take the Action part of the card out or add that you can perform a free action pn your action bar after you Expose.

Sadly I don't think they will.

It seems FFG's consistent theme that whenever primary weapon value is increased via EPTs (expose and opportunist) it costs 4 points and has some drawback. Expose costs -1 agility and no action. Opportunist costs receiving a stress token and is situational on the defender not having tokens.

When we consider all of the great 3 point EPTs these two don't stand a chance of being worthwhile. If it was a modification it would help it, but either as a modification or as a EPT it shouldn't cost an action. The statistics have been shown time and time again on this forum, an unmodified 4 attack is not as good as a modified 3 attack. But I agree with Jo Jo, it is unlikely it will be revamped. Likely just a dead card only new players will give a try when they first start playing the game.

Ya, expose will only ever be useful if the bonus action type stuff like garven,dutch,cracken gets to truly excessive quantities so that you can tl + focus + expose + w/e else, and probably not even then because of the point cost and agility die. It is slightly better on ships that will shoot multiple times in a round, but still is not as good as marksmanship in those situations. And marksmanship is unimpressive. Opportunist is situational to be sure, but still blows it out of the water.

Just bury it in a shoebox in your backyard.

Opportunist has corner case usage that is very good, namely when running Wes, and particularly when using it on Keyan since he can convert it into a focus for offense.

I agree that Expose needs to give a free action at the end of its text. I'm OK with not being able to activate it if you get blocked.

As it stands its essentially worthless though. Even on the VT-49 with 0 agility I would probably rather have a focus for offense than gain 1 extra attack die. I suppose VT-49 + Gunner + Expose might technically be viable, but it's still not nearly as appealing as simply using Gunner.

I dunno, I think it could work on a rebel aces a-wing with push-the-limit + expose.

As it stands its essentially worthless though. Even on the VT-49 with 0 agility I would probably rather have a focus for offense than gain 1 extra attack die. I suppose VT-49 + Gunner + Expose might technically be viable, but it's still not nearly as appealing as simply using Gunner.

I believe expose should work entirely different, as an action which lowers the opponent's agility by 1 for the remainder of the round. Of course it should be inside your fire arch, and i don't know, you outside of his maybe.

Heres what expose is good for

I dunno, I think it could work on a rebel aces a-wing with push-the-limit + expose.

As it stands its essentially worthless though. Even on the VT-49 with 0 agility I would probably rather have a focus for offense than gain 1 extra attack die. I suppose VT-49 + Gunner + Expose might technically be viable, but it's still not nearly as appealing as simply using Gunner.

I was thinking that too or any ship with ptl it would work on. Ultimately the decimator will be the best spot for it with ptl. 4 dice that can be modified for the same price as hlc except at range 1 you get 5 modifiable dice.

When the core set/wave 1 was first released, Expose was probably viable (correct me if I'm wrong, that's before my time). But as the game has evolved, I'd say that the card is a victim of the card/ability arms race--and I'm okay with that. Better an EPT card goes by the wayside than an entire ship.

When the core set/wave 1 was first released, Expose was probably viable (correct me if I'm wrong, that's before my time). But as the game has evolved, I'd say that the card is a victim of the card/ability arms race--and I'm okay with that. Better an EPT card goes by the wayside than an entire ship.

Expose is worse than concentration and target lock, and those are free. This card was never good.

Decimator can only take one EPT though, so ptl+expose won't be allowed (it can't use the a-wing title that grants an additional EPT)

I dunno, I think it could work on a rebel aces a-wing with push-the-limit + expose.

As it stands its essentially worthless though. Even on the VT-49 with 0 agility I would probably rather have a focus for offense than gain 1 extra attack die. I suppose VT-49 + Gunner + Expose might technically be viable, but it's still not nearly as appealing as simply using Gunner.

I was thinking that too or any ship with ptl it would work on. Ultimately the decimator will be the best spot for it with ptl. 4 dice that can be modified for the same price as hlc except at range 1 you get 5 modifiable dice.

Decimator can only take one EPT though, so ptl+expose won't be allowed (it can't use the a-wing title that grants an additional EPT)

I dunno, I think it could work on a rebel aces a-wing with push-the-limit + expose.

As it stands its essentially worthless though. Even on the VT-49 with 0 agility I would probably rather have a focus for offense than gain 1 extra attack die. I suppose VT-49 + Gunner + Expose might technically be viable, but it's still not nearly as appealing as simply using Gunner.

I was thinking that too or any ship with ptl it would work on. Ultimately the decimator will be the best spot for it with ptl. 4 dice that can be modified for the same price as hlc except at range 1 you get 5 modifiable dice.

Good point I missed that, it would still have 5 dice at range 1 and 4 dice any other time same as an hlc. Except you won't need to change a crit to a hit

When the core set/wave 1 was first released, Expose was probably viable (correct me if I'm wrong, that's before my time).

Nope, it always sucked.

When the core set/wave 1 was first released, Expose was probably viable (correct me if I'm wrong, that's before my time).

Nope, it always sucked.

The thing I'm confused on is why do people use r2f2 then and no one complains about him? He is essentially the same thing no? Your using an action up to increase a stat. Expose uses an action to increase a stat as well. It is also increasing a red die which everyone knows has better odds than a green dice. Expose also reduces agility by 1 but on a decimator that effect is moot.

Because:

1 - the ships that use it don't have dodge, which is the only better defensive action in a low agi ship.

2 - Every ship has either concentration or target lock, so there is no real use for expose.

3 - Expose works for one ship one time per round, r2f2 works for every attack done to that ship that round.

Because:

1 - the ships that use it doesn't have dodge, which is the only better defensive action.

2 - Every ship has either concentration or target lock, so there is no real use for expose.

3 - Expose works for one ship one time per round, r2f2 works for every attack done to that ship that round.

Opportunist has corner case usage that is very good, namely when running Wes, and particularly when using it on Keyan since he can convert it into a focus for offense.

It's not a corner case, really: it works nicely on any mid-PS pilot, as long as you have someone ahead of them in the batting order. I particularly like it on Chewie and Ibtisam (whose benefit isn't as good as Keyan's, but is still pretty effective).

I suppose VT-49 + Gunner + Expose might technically be viable, but it's still not nearly as appealing as simply using Gunner.

Decimator + Expose + Gunner will be more expensive than Decimator + Marksmanship + Gunner, and less effective. Poor Expose...

The thing I'm confused on is why do people use r2f2 then and no one complains about him? He is essentially the same thing no? Your using an action up to increase a stat. Expose uses an action to increase a stat as well. It is also increasing a red die which everyone knows has better odds than a green dice. Expose also reduces agility by 1 but on a decimator that effect is moot.

You can typically attack just once per round, so Expose typically helps you just once per round. But you can be attacked up to eight times per round, and the benefit from R2-F2 applies to each one.

However, lots of people (including me) wouldn't recommend using R2-F2 unless you also have a way to hand a focus token or two over to the defender, because the action economy is still really important.

EDIT:

Because:

1 - the ships that use it doesn't have dodge, which is the only better defensive action.

2 - Every ship has either concentration or target lock, so there is no real use for expose.

3 - Expose works for one ship one time per round, r2f2 works for every attack done to that ship that round.

What is this concentration you speak of?

I think it's the focus action, from someone who's back-translating from a different language.

Opportunist has corner case usage that is very good, namely when running Wes, and particularly when using it on Keyan since he can convert it into a focus for offense.

It's not a corner case, really: it works nicely on any mid-PS pilot, as long as you have someone ahead of them in the batting order. I particularly like it on Chewie and Ibtisam (whose benefit isn't as good as Keyan's, but is still pretty effective).

I suppose VT-49 + Gunner + Expose might technically be viable, but it's still not nearly as appealing as simply using Gunner.

Decimator + Expose + Gunner will be more expensive than Decimator + Marksmanship + Gunner, and less effective. Poor Expose...

The thing I'm confused on is why do people use r2f2 then and no one complains about him? He is essentially the same thing no? Your using an action up to increase a stat. Expose uses an action to increase a stat as well. It is also increasing a red die which everyone knows has better odds than a green dice. Expose also reduces agility by 1 but on a decimator that effect is moot.

You can typically attack just once per round, so Expose typically helps you just once per round. But you can be attacked up to eight times per round, and the benefit from R2-F2 applies to each one.

However, lots of people (including me) wouldn't recommend using R2-F2 unless you also have a way to hand a focus token or two over to the defender, because the action economy is still really important.

EDIT:

Because:

1 - the ships that use it doesn't have dodge, which is the only better defensive action.

2 - Every ship has either concentration or target lock, so there is no real use for expose.

3 - Expose works for one ship one time per round, r2f2 works for every attack done to that ship that round.

What is this concentration you speak of?

I think it's the focus action, from someone who's back-translating from a different language.

Oh ok thank you I thought maybe there was new action somewhere haha

Decimator can only take one EPT though, so ptl+expose won't be allowed (it can't use the a-wing title that grants an additional EPT)

I dunno, I think it could work on a rebel aces a-wing with push-the-limit + expose.

As it stands its essentially worthless though. Even on the VT-49 with 0 agility I would probably rather have a focus for offense than gain 1 extra attack die. I suppose VT-49 + Gunner + Expose might technically be viable, but it's still not nearly as appealing as simply using Gunner.

I was thinking that too or any ship with ptl it would work on. Ultimately the decimator will be the best spot for it with ptl. 4 dice that can be modified for the same price as hlc except at range 1 you get 5 modifiable dice.

Good point I missed that, it would still have 5 dice at range 1 and 4 dice any other time same as an hlc. Except you won't need to change a crit to a hit

I can see it being used on a PTL a-wing since Rebel Aces will give the Green Sqd Pilot two EPTs but can the decimator take two EPTs? I don't see how the decimator will be able to equip both PTL and Expose

Decimator can only take one EPT though, so ptl+expose won't be allowed (it can't use the a-wing title that grants an additional EPT)

I dunno, I think it could work on a rebel aces a-wing with push-the-limit + expose.

As it stands its essentially worthless though. Even on the VT-49 with 0 agility I would probably rather have a focus for offense than gain 1 extra attack die. I suppose VT-49 + Gunner + Expose might technically be viable, but it's still not nearly as appealing as simply using Gunner.

I was thinking that too or any ship with ptl it would work on. Ultimately the decimator will be the best spot for it with ptl. 4 dice that can be modified for the same price as hlc except at range 1 you get 5 modifiable dice.

Good point I missed that, it would still have 5 dice at range 1 and 4 dice any other time same as an hlc. Except you won't need to change a crit to a hit

I can see it being used on a PTL a-wing since Rebel Aces will give the Green Sqd Pilot two EPTs but can the decimator take two EPTs? I don't see how the decimator will be able to equip both PTL and Expose

Yes that's what was pointed out earlier however expose on the decimator will still give you 4-5 dice without needing to change any crits like hlc does.

Yes, i meant focus, thank you Vorpal, and sorry for the annoyance.

About expose + decimator, you are better off with predator + gunner + focus action and it is cheaper. Or what vorpal suggested, but this one is more "fireproof" when it comes to getting hits.

I know it sounds counter intuitive because more dice should equal better. But for example we have a 1/2 chance to hit in one attack dice, if we reroll that dice we have a 3/4 chances to get a hit overall, so instead of a 50%, it is a 75%.

If we have 3 attack dice, and we add one dice it goes from a median of 1,5 to 2 with expose. Meanwhile if we use target lock we would have 2,25, same for focus too (since instead of 4/8 results, it is 6/8 = 3/4; the difference on use between both is important tho and not to be underestimated).

So if you are using expose in anything with more attack dice than 1 over focus or target lock, you are shooting yourself in the foot, while also paying for the bullets, the weapon and the medical bill.

Yes that's what was pointed out earlier however expose on the decimator will still give you 4-5 dice without needing to change any crits like hlc does.

ah my bad missed that earlier in the thread/quote

Expose was never meant to be a top upgrade. It is meant to appeal to a player who likes to gamble on the dice rather than applying common sense or the math to their attacks. Expose does what it is meant to do. It is a fun upgrade. Not every upgrade needs to be as good as Push the Limit.

Expose was never meant to be a top upgrade. It is meant to appeal to a player who likes to gamble on the dice rather than applying common sense or the math to their attacks. Expose does what it is meant to do. It is a fun upgrade. Not every upgrade needs to be as good as Push the Limit.

If that was the intention it could be priced as such in my opinion. If i would have to guess with my limited knowledge, i think they feared the synergies between ships that could occur and priced it accordingly, but that never truly arrived.