The 2400's top pilot is only 36 points when it is the only large ship that can barrel roll, is more survivable than the firespray, has a 360 arc, aqnd the pilot is PS 7 and has a great ability!

Please don't feed the trolls people, they are always hungry for attention.

Honestly it's pretty similar to the Firespray but with a weaker primary weapon. The price seems about right to me, and we haven't seen the dial yet.

Yeah, two red dice is a pretty big drawback. Which, of course, is offset by the interesting options with the Outrider title.

Yeah, two red dice is a pretty big drawback. Which, of course, is offset by the interesting options with the Outrider title.

Which is itself offset by a pretty hefty price tag even before adding the cannon itself. So if there's imbalance, it's at least not massive/obvious.

Yeah, two red dice is a pretty big drawback. Which, of course, is offset by the interesting options with the Outrider title.

But it's 360! and like you said, between outrider and being able too equip cannons (which is the first rebel large ship to do so) that drawback is eliminated!

Yeah, two red dice is a pretty big drawback. Which, of course, is offset by the interesting options with the Outrider title.

I have to admit, at least once I'm going to fly that thing with an EU and an autoblaster turret. I'm sure it'll be nothing but problems, but still

Yeah, two red dice is a pretty big drawback. Which, of course, is offset by the interesting options with the Outrider title.

But it's 360! and like you said, between outrider and being able too equip cannons (which is the first rebel large ship to do so) that drawback is eliminated!

Right, but with the additional cost involved, that nullifies the undercosted "problem".

Thing isn't even out yet. We don't even know the dial.

Outrider title sets you back five and if you take HLC gives you the Donut Hull.

Thing isn't even out yet. We don't even know the dial.

Outrider title sets you back five and if you take HLC gives you the Donut Hull.

But you can get a HLC TURRET, with the top pilot and only pay 48! With the lowest pilot it would be a lot cheaper.

Didn't sky fall with the phantom's release ? How could it get up this fast to fall again ?

Thing isn't even out yet. We don't even know the dial.

Outrider title sets you back five and if you take HLC gives you the Donut Hull.

But you can get a HLC TURRET, with the top pilot and only pay 48! With the lowest pilot it would be a lot cheaper.

Meant Donut Hole. HLC is Range 2-3. If you Outride the Heavy Laser Cannon, you cannot shoot at Range 1. A ship's at Range 1 if any part of its base lies in the Range 1 band. The advantage of a turret is that it can't be arcdodged, but any ship with a pilot skill advantage (TIE phantoms and TIE interceptors, for example) are going to mercilessly exploit that.

Thing isn't even out yet. We don't even know the dial.

Outrider title sets you back five and if you take HLC gives you the Donut Hull.

But you can get a HLC TURRET, with the top pilot and only pay 48! With the lowest pilot it would be a lot cheaper.

Meant Donut Hole. HLC is Range 2-3. If you Outride the Heavy Laser Cannon, you cannot shoot at Range 1. A ship's at Range 1 if any part of its base lies in the Range 1 band. The advantage of a turret is that it can't be arcdodged, but any ship with a pilot skill advantage (TIE phantoms and TIE interceptors, for example) are going to mercilessly exploit that.

that's why you run away and blast them!

If they have a pilot skill advantage they can barrel and boost into that blind spot. The Range 1 band is also much bigger than it looks on the Range Ruler, it's the length of Range 1 plus the base length of the ship you're shooting.

The Outrider chooses between a mediocre turret that has TIE advanced syndrome (not enough punch for a high cost ship), a cannon that forward arcs only, or a 360 cannon that either has a blind spot (Range 1 for Heavy Laser Cannon and Range 2-3 for Autoblaster) or is a 1 damage ion cannon.

Which is itself offset by a pretty hefty price tag even before adding the cannon itself. So if there's imbalance, it's at least not massive/obvious.

I suppose I should have added that myself. I think the cost of the upgrades makes it pretty balanced as is, though the free barrel roll may be qualm worthy.

If they have a pilot skill advantage they can barrel and boost into that blind spot.

It's weird--it's almost as someone had carefully designed and playtested this stuff.

They carefully designed and playtested the TIE advanced x1 too. They're good but they're human.

Am I the only one that's intrigued with playing it with a HLC and no title? Should be easy enough to keep stuff in its front arc.

They carefully designed and playtested the TIE advanced x1 too. They're good but they're human.

The Outrider is not unbalanced at all. Only 48 points to get Dash Rendar in it with title. And he's PS7. That's quite a bit for a ship that can't shoot a ship running in close at all. And the 2 attack dice turret is decidely average.(Awful without a cannon upgrade, Ok with it and makes Gunner very meh.)

Yes, it's a good ship. No it isn't broken or underpriced. Is the Outer Rim smuggler underpriced? Because they look to cost the same.

Yeah, two red dice is a pretty big drawback. Which, of course, is offset by the interesting options with the Outrider title.

But it's 360! and like you said, between outrider and being able too equip cannons (which is the first rebel large ship to do so) that drawback is eliminated!

It costs 12 points, bringing Rendar to 48, more expensive than Han Solo with zero upgrades, just to get a 360 degree HLC that gives you a range 1 blindspot. And that's before any other upgrades. You could I guess argue to begin with that Han is underpriced, but compared straight against Han I certainly don't think the Outrider/Dash is out of line.

I thought it was $29.99 MSRP, that doesn't seem too overpriced to me . Outrider title (necessary to make it a contender for firepower) adjusts the cost appropriately...

Honestly, don't you think they map these costs out extensively before release?

Plus, we don't know the dial!!!!!!

It is impossible to judge the worth of a ship in this game without knowing its maneuver dial, the dial is the single most important element in a ships effectiveness and points efficiency.

Plus, we don't know the dial!!!!!!

It is impossible to judge the worth of a ship in this game without knowing its maneuver dial, the dial is the single most important element in a ships effectiveness and points efficiency.

Plus, we don't know the dial!!!!!!

It is impossible to judge the worth of a ship in this game without knowing its maneuver dial, the dial is the single most important element in a ships effectiveness and points efficiency.

That is less important on a turret ship. Still important, but not as important. The Outrider would be playable as is with the Hawks dial or the Shuttle dial. But it's probably at least as good as the Firesprays dial given it's in universe description.

I think Forgottenlore is about to tell you that maneuvering is especially important on turreted ships.

That is less important on a turret ship. Still important, but not as important.

Very true. I just get frustrated when people start trying to do evaluations while we still lack some of the most important information. It happened with the shuttle, it happened with a lot of wave 4, and now the outrider. I love speculation, but we cannot make any real judgements until we have all of the information.