I typed that I will not stupidly...

I am aware Joe- which is to imply others will, and in direct relation to the person that has said they'll follow Disney's lead.

But my stance has been stated.

Chill you silly dope .

That was directed at you...lol.

You do not get to decide what is or is not canon. That just isn't how it works. What is or isn't canon may not effect you greatly, but that doesn't change how canon works in the first place.

Honestly the only real impact canon has on anything is what happens in the various official media, movies, books, games, comics, ect... But the fact that you may or may not agree with the Prequels being canon doesn't change the fact that for official media they are in fact canon, and have to be taken into account.

In Boss' Game Parlor the only thing that matters is what Boss buys with Boss' Money.

In Boss' Game Parlor the only thing that matters is what Boss buys with Boss' Money.

That's the whole point. What you do in your basement is your business (assuming it breaks no state or federal laws. ). But what you do in your basement doesn't change what is or is not canon.

There is really only 2 reasons for us to care what is or is not canon.

1) It effects the movies and other official media.

2) It gives fans a common frame of reference when discussing the events of the series.

For 2, that means when there's yet another debate on the SWTOR forms about who the most powerful Force user is, they all have a set of agreed upon facts or established history to frame the debate.

But in those cases everyone has to abide by what is the established canon, even if it changes, because that is the only "objective" standard out there.

Or if you're going to write some fanfic for yourself or even a small group of people, canon doesn't matter much. But if you try to get it published it does.

All true.

Going to throw two things in here:

1. Phantom Menace was the best of the prequel film (Darth Maul, Qui-gon, Pod Racing, no lovey dovey love story)

2. The Clone Wars cartoon was better than all 3 prequels and they're all canon.

And the Clone Wars are filled with mercs, bounty hunters, pirates and the Black Sun.

Not to mention the 4th faction: the Mandalorians.

Yeah QG is one of the best Jedi IMO.

Phantom was the best at putting you to sleep maybe, Jake loud was so annoying I wanted to bad things to the kid terrible things I'm not allowed to go into graphic over, Liam neson clearly didn't care and was just doing it for the pay check, we could not get a obi wan line without the poor guy holding back a smirk because he knew what a mess he was in.

And jarjar and the actor/animators involved are all going to the bad place.

Slow down, I cannot catch up to you because I read too slow. Every time I get to the bottom of the page there is a new page.

Slow down, I cannot catch up to you because I read too slow. Every time I get to the bottom of the page there is a new page.

Nice!

And one of the best things to happen in the Clone Wars. And if you haven't watched it, and you absolutely should, don't click the spoiler.

Don't want to get into a best of the worst move prequel tangent here. Phantom was bad. Attack was bad. Revenge was bad. They're all bad.

But did I mention the Clone Wars cartoons?

Look at any number of existing games and ask yourself which would be harder to balance, a new unit in an existing faction or a completely new faction? This could apply to any polarized game, like RPGs or RTSs.

When you're talking about incremental changes such as we see in X-Wing - with ship statistics, pilot abilities, upgrades and so on all adding to the overall effectiveness of your force - adding a new unit into an existing faction can be much harder to balance. 2 x 2 = 4, 4 x 4 =16, 16 x 16 = 256... and so on. The more ships you add to a faction, the more options you open up within that faction, and the more possibilities you need to take into account.

I'd argue that adding the Z-95 to the Rebel fleet has changed the game a hell of a lot more than adding the Z-95 to an entirely new faction would have. The Z-95 has changed the way the Rebel forces can be played on a fundamental level, if it was introduced as part of a new faction it's arrival wouldn't have changed the way Rebel lists were played at all.

i like ure way of thinking through all of this and it makes totally sense to me o.o. and yeah i totally agree with the part of the z-95. i mean i have no hard feelings to fight it and it doesnt make my fights harder or easier but it just changed the playstyle of rebels from class to mass while empire got this mass to class change with thier new fighters well lets see what the future holds for us but i want to see 1-2 more factions added outlaws and CIS/KUS like i told in many other threads ;P

Here's a question: is there enough material to fully flesh out a specific third faction, like Black Sun? People have forwarded reasons for not adding additional ships, like the bounty hunters, to existing factions. Let's assume that this would then also hold true for our theoretical third faction. Going forward, would a third faction be able to keep pace with the existing ones, or would it eventually hit a ceiling and be left underrepresented, like previous iterations of the Necrons, or some of the factions in Attack Wing?

Ugh, just comparing X-Wing to those two other games just sent a shiver down my back.

call the third faction OUTLAWS mix in all kind of criminal organisations like blakc sun, and other pirate enclaves, smugglers and bounty hunters and boom dozen of star fighters bombers and interceptoring ships for the third faction.

now to the clone wars hate and prequel movies i was born 1992 the first star wars movie i saw as a child in a cinema was episode 1 and i was amazed and that turned me into a star wars fan not nerd or anythin just fan, i conteniued to watch the other episodes 2-6 aswell. and like the DVD collection in ma shelf. clone wars wasnt bad either. i loved the fire fights in clone wars and the light saber duels episode 1-3 gave us instead of this episode 4 swush swush. ;P.

sure it got better with ep5 and 6 but still dont get the hate against other star wars content other then the original trilogy.

now to the clone wars hate and prequel movies i was born 1992 the first star wars movie i saw as a child in a cinema was episode 1 and i was amazed and that turned me into a star wars fan not nerd or anythin just fan, i conteniued to watch the other episodes 2-6 aswell. and like the DVD collection in ma shelf. clone wars wasnt bad either. i loved the fire fights in clone wars and the light saber duels episode 1-3 gave us instead of this episode 4 swush swush. ;P.

sure it got better with ep5 and 6 but still dont get the hate against other star wars content other then the original trilogy.

http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/

Watch these and you'll see.

Watch these and you'll see.

Do you honestly think someone will change their opinion because of someone else opinion?

It's clear that we all have the stuff we love and that which we hate.

Captain Lackwit loves Darth Maul; I think he's a KISS concert reject. Some people think the EU is 'boss', I like some of it, and think other parts of it (much of what was written by Kevin J. Anderson) should be excised.

Ultimately, Disney is going to be the Nicaean council that gets to decide which parts of the received Star Wars tradition are canon and which are apocryphal. Right now, they've declared the movies and the Clone Wars as canon, and the rest 'Legends'. That means they reserve the right to pull the best (Thrawn) from it, and to disregard the worst of it (Vong? I don't know, I haven't read that stuff.)

Frankly, I'm glad it's them and not George Lucas. Bless his heart for starting it all, but he's not sufficiently invested on one level (wanting a coherence and continuity to all of it), but too much invested on another level (being very defensive about the crap he pulled and his prior rights of intellectual ownership).

Also, thank god it's Disney and not the fan collective, because we're too incoherent on the matter. (If it was just me, of course , I'd do the perfect job, and - obviously - I can still do so in my basement. Yet, I also want Star Wars to be a shared experience, and for that we do need a Nicaean Council to determine the canon. Disney is not going to do all the things we want them to do, but I think it's probable that they want this to be a long-term investment, and as such they will husband the franchise for the long haul. Now, that will also probably mean making it approachable for the upcoming generation, which to us will seem childlike. But, unless we want Star Wars to become fade out with our 2 generations (mostly X&Y), then we're going to have to make room for the next generation. Let's hope that Jar Jar is going to be ignored, and not have them introduce a similar comic relief. (Comic relief itself is fine, but Jar Jar screwed the pooch.)

Oh, and the thought I started with, but never actually made.

I'm fine with the prequels being canon and being the description of the back story. While the telling of that story is godawful (IMO), the history of it is pretty good, I think. It's just like any history - it's open to interpretation. The same events could have been told in a different way (better directing, less green screen, letting the good actors shine, letting the bad actors go, etc.), but the events themselves are just find for establishing the backstory to the SWU.

I agree there had to be a back story. This is not great but it fills in some of the history.

I saw Star wars 13 times...Each time I brought 5 friends to come and see it with me...It was so freakin amazing of the unique special effects , plot , story-line , and acting...I used to watch Buck Rodgers when I was a kid and saw where olé George used a lot of his cliff hanging scenes ; and cinematic magic...For me the aura slowly faded away as each movie seemed less and less unique...Wierd that as advanced technology became available ; creativity slowly faded away...I still get a severe migraine watching the monster battle scene in the clone wars ; arena battle sequence...Back to Op : I never thought we would see Huge ships...Now rumors of the Black sun ?...Only time will tell...I do know there was a mischievous grin when FFG was asked about future Epic ships in the Future lol

..Back to Op : I never thought we would see Huge ships...Now rumors of the Black sun ?...Only time will tell...I do know there was a mischievous grin when FFG was asked about future Epic ships in the Future lol

Yeah they sure did grin and look down at their shoes didn't they. I have that interview in my FFG Playlist still on YouTube.

... and as a matter of fact:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yJW-7IvdilI#t=595