Rereading through the X-Wing Rogue Squadron omnibuses again this week really has me wanting to recreate two of the most famous squadrons from the Star Wars universe, Rogue Squadron and the 181st Imperial Fighter Wing, on the gaming table. Here are lists for a 200 point epic match:

Rogue Squadon:

Wedge + Expert Handling + Shield upgrade

Corran + PtL + FCS + R2

Tycho + Predator + Chaardan Refit + Test Pilot + Outmaneuver

Wes + Swarm Tactics

Hobbie + R3-A2

Ibtisam + PtL + Advanced Sensors + B-Wing/E2 + Nien Nunb

= 200 points even.

(Also considered Luke in there, but he didn't figure in to Rogue Squadron much in the comic books or novels. So I went with the people that were members in those.)

181st Imperial Fighter Wing:

Baron Soontir Fel + PtL + Royal Guard TIE + Hull + SD

Turr + PtL + Hull

"Fel's Wrath" + Hull

Lorrir + Hull

3x Saber + PtL + Hull

Not really thinking of either as competitive builds, but would be a very fun fight to recreate from the Star Wars Universe! Now to figure out how to get my hands on four more Interceptors...

Could be fun I think.

I'd run the ships without upgrades myself.

again (there is another thread about a 200 point rogue list) I'd run 8 generic reds..

8x red squadron 184pts

- leaves 16 points for 4 shields or 4 torps

as for the 181st..

8x saber squadron 168pts

- leaves 32 pts for extras.

I think in this case I'd use the extra points for the rogues to upgrade a red to wedge as the squad leader and a saber to fel as the 181st's fearless leader.

Edit: the reason I'd want to run it this way is for ease of play. Much easier to figure out who moves and shoots when / not so messy.

Could be fun I think.

I'd run the ships without upgrades myself.

I like that idea as well, then I can squeeze in Luke. Though I'd still put PtL on all the 181st ships that can take it otherwise that leaves an awkward 15 point gap.

Rogues: Wedge, Wes, Luke, Hobbie, Corran, Tycho, Ibtisam = 200pts

181st: Fel + PtL, Phennir + PtL, Lorrir, Fel's Wrath, 4x Saber + PtL = 200pts

again (there is another thread about a 200 point rogue list) I'd run 8 generic reds..

8x red squadron 184pts

- leaves 16 points for 4 shields or 4 torps

as for the 181st..

8x saber squadron 168pts

- leaves 32 pts for extras.

I think in this case I'd use the extra points for the rogues to upgrade a red to wedge as the squad leader and a saber to fel as the 181st's fearless leader.

Edit: the reason I'd want to run it this way is for ease of play. Much easier to figure out who moves and shoots when / not so messy.

But that defeats the entire purpose of why I want to run this particular match up. The whole point is that after reading the novels and comic books I want to fight with the ACTUAL line ups of both squads. Cutting it down to generics is just bland, and not in line with what either of these two squads were in the EU (edited). The Rogues especially weren't made up of "generic pilots," that's what made them the Rogues!

Could be fun I think.

I'd run the ships without upgrades myself.

I like that idea as well, then I can squeeze in Luke. Though I'd still put PtL on all the 181st ships that can take it otherwise that leaves an awkward 15 point gap.

Rogues: Wedge, Wes, Luke, Hobbie, Corran, Tycho, Ibtisam = 200pts

181st: Fel + PtL, Phennir + PtL, Lorrir, Fel's Wrath, 4x Saber + PtL = 200pts

again (there is another thread about a 200 point rogue list) I'd run 8 generic reds..

8x red squadron 184pts

- leaves 16 points for 4 shields or 4 torps

as for the 181st..

8x saber squadron 168pts

- leaves 32 pts for extras.

I think in this case I'd use the extra points for the rogues to upgrade a red to wedge as the squad leader and a saber to fel as the 181st's fearless leader.

Edit: the reason I'd want to run it this way is for ease of play. Much easier to figure out who moves and shoots when / not so messy.

But that defeats the entire purpose of why I want to run this particular match up. The whole point is that after reading the novels and comic books I want to fight with the ACTUAL line ups of both squads. Cutting it down to generics is just bland, and not in line with what either of these two squads were in the EU (edited). The Rogues especially weren't made up of "generic pilots," that's what made them the Rogues!

red squadron is rogue squadron. i suppose to each their own though.. I'm perfectly happy running 8 reds knowing that they are rogues instead of running the specific named pilots. Don't get me wrong though, i like running luke / wedge / wes / tycho / hobbie.. they are my favorite pilots. I just think in a 200 point "epic" match like this it would be better with mostly generics..

It's the 181st Fighter Group. When Fel turned it into an Elite unit it was re-organized from a wing of six squadrons to a group of three squadrons.

1/181= Commanded by Fel

2/181= Commanded by Turr

3/181= Commanded by I guess you could say Lt. Lorrir (even though it was not really stated who commanded 3/181 in anything I'v read)

Could be fun I think.

I'd run the ships without upgrades myself.

I like that idea as well, then I can squeeze in Luke. Though I'd still put PtL on all the 181st ships that can take it otherwise that leaves an awkward 15 point gap.

Rogues: Wedge, Wes, Luke, Hobbie, Corran, Tycho, Ibtisam = 200pts

181st: Fel + PtL, Phennir + PtL, Lorrir, Fel's Wrath, 4x Saber + PtL = 200pts

again (there is another thread about a 200 point rogue list) I'd run 8 generic reds..

8x red squadron 184pts

- leaves 16 points for 4 shields or 4 torps

as for the 181st..

8x saber squadron 168pts

- leaves 32 pts for extras.

I think in this case I'd use the extra points for the rogues to upgrade a red to wedge as the squad leader and a saber to fel as the 181st's fearless leader.

Edit: the reason I'd want to run it this way is for ease of play. Much easier to figure out who moves and shoots when / not so messy.

But that defeats the entire purpose of why I want to run this particular match up. The whole point is that after reading the novels and comic books I want to fight with the ACTUAL line ups of both squads. Cutting it down to generics is just bland, and not in line with what either of these two squads were in the EU (edited). The Rogues especially weren't made up of "generic pilots," that's what made them the Rogues!

red squadron is rogue squadron. i suppose to each their own though.. I'm perfectly happy running 8 reds knowing that they are rogues instead of running the specific named pilots. Don't get me wrong though, i like running luke / wedge / wes / tycho / hobbie.. they are my favorite pilots. I just think in a 200 point "epic" match like this it would be better with mostly generics..

Well like i said everyone has their own opinions. I'd have more fun with generics and maybe one squad leader. You could even have wedge with a group of rooks breaking them in! That would be right up the rogue squadron books alley. They must have went on tons of training missions and runs throughout the series..

I'd actually like to try a full 300 point game with red/gold vs black squadron... that would be classic! I almost splurged on that KS with the deathstar setup.. could have even of played battle of yavin in the background.

The 181st really misses out on pilot skill since they are all the same kind of ship and have to use generic saber squadron pilots. Their numerical advantage is extremely minor as well. Thematically this sounds cool but I think Soontir is really going to have to do some work here if the empire has any chance of winning

The 181st really misses out on pilot skill since they are all the same kind of ship and have to use generic saber squadron pilots. Their numerical advantage is extremely minor as well. Thematically this sounds cool but I think Soontir is really going to have to do some work here if the empire has any chance of winning

Yeah I can definitely agree there. I would have liked to squeeze another Interceptor or two in there. If the PtL is cut from them, and Lorrir and Fel's Wrath as well, you can squeeze one more vanilla Saber Squadron Interceptor in there, but not sure how much more effective that is, especially since Fel's ability is basically made for PtL.

So I think I would try to run it as is with the named pilots and PtL, but it will definitely take some fancy flying on their part. The extra Interceptor would be nice, but it would also require me to find yet another Interceptor. As is I'm going to need to find someone to play against that has a few to put with my 3, and then maybe borrow more or buy another Imperial Aces set!

According to the star wars wiki, Maarek Stele was part of the 181st for a while, could use him as a non interceptor pilot though I know everyone seems to hate the advanced for the most part but you had 1 card that only came with rebel aces listed, so you could give him the proton rocket that its supposed to come with.

According to the star wars wiki, Maarek Stele was part of the 181st for a while, could use him as a non interceptor pilot though I know everyone seems to hate the advanced for the most part but you had 1 card that only came with rebel aces listed, so you could give him the proton rocket that its supposed to come with.

I really like the idea of adding in Stele for a bit of variety, but that 27 point cost is killer! It's the same cost as Fel for a ship that doesn't fit in thematically or competitively. Still might try and find a way of fitting him in though. The easiest way would be to drop the PtL from the generic Sabers, add him with PtL and have 3 points left over to go somewhere (Hull upgrade on Fel?), but without PtL I'm really wondering how effective those generic Sabers will be against the firepower of Rogue Squadron.

Looks like a lot of fun but I couldn't help but tinker with the rebels a bit. Here's what I got:

Coran w/ VI, R2-D2, Adv Sensors

Wes w/ VI

Wedge w/ Predator

Hobbie w/ R3-A2

Tycho w/ PtL, Test Pilot, Daredevil, Chardaan

Ibtisam w/ HLC, PtL

This build has 2 PS 10s and a 9. And an HLC. Run the 3 Xs and the B-wing together, and have the E and A attempt to flank.