Greetings,

While playing a game with a friend we came up with some issues regarding the following:

1- If a house Greyjoy player wins a military challenge with the plot card " The Tides of War " revealed aginst an Stark player and reveals the plot card
" Fury of the Kraken " can he use the ability of the new revealed plot card to discard a character controlled by the oponent?

2- Is it possible to choose cards to kneel or stand up you do not control when you play " Compelled by the sea " or " At the Point of a Blade "?

3- If a player wins a military challenge with a " Carrion Bird " and wants to shuffle the " White Raven " card controlled by his oponent,
can that oponent play "Winter Reinforcements" (I think that is the card name, not sure) before the white raven is shuffled into his deck?

Thank you in advance.

1- If a house Greyjoy player wins a military challenge with the plot card "The Tides of War" revealed aginst an Stark player and reveals the plot card
"Fury of the Kraken" can he use the ability of the new revealed plot card to discard a character controlled by the oponent?

I would have to say no they couldnt. The plot has to be out before the challenge is resolved, at least thats how i see it.

2- Is it possible to choose cards to kneel or stand up you do not control when you play "Compelled by the sea" or "At the Point of a Blade"?

If i read those right, then yes.

3- If a player wins a military challenge with a "Carrion Bird" and wants to shuffle the "White Raven" card controlled by his oponent,
can that oponent play "Winter Reinforcements" (I think that is the card name, not sure) before the white raven is shuffled into his deck?

No they cant, Winter Reinforcements isnt a response, and it would have to be to respond to a character ability.

1) i think you can. they are both passives. tides of war passive goes off...fury is revealed...fury's passive goes off.

2) since they both have 2 different stand/knell actions lets break them down. The first stannd/kneel is the cost of the event. You can only pay a cost with a card you control, so you could not stand/kneel someone else's character at this point. the second stand/kneel is the effect and you can stand/kneell all valid targets with it, so you could stand/kneel opponents characters

3) carrion bird's response goes off before an opportuity to play winter reserves arises, so no.

Well, you're 1.5 for 3 there, Vinter. Considering that some of these questions are actually pretty tricky, that's really good.

#1. Actually, not only COULD you use the text on Fury of the Kraken in the situation you describe, you MUST. Remember that every action window has the following 6 steps:

1. Initiate (this is where you pay costs, check play restrictions, etc. for the main actions of the window)

2. Save/Cancel (this is where you have the opportunity to interrupt the effect initiated in #1)

3. Resolve (this is where the effects of whatever you started in #1 take place)

4. Passives (this is where passive effects activated by anything that happened in steps 1-3 take place)

5. Responses (this is where Response effects to anything that happened in steps 1-4, or earlier in 5, take place)

6. End

So a card with a passive effect doesn't actually need to be around in Steps 1-3 since the passive effects aren't even considered until Step 4. In the scenario at hand, when you win the military challenge and switch plots with "Tides of War," you are doing so in Step 4. So the new plot becomes active in Step 4. And since we are still resolving passive effects activated by what happened in Steps 1-3, "Fury of the Kraken" activates because all its play restrictions are met.

As for the plot being out before the challenge is resolved, consider a couple of things: First, since we haven't completed all the steps for the action window yet, we are technically still resolving the challenge. The plot is actually switched as part of the challenge being resolved. Second, if cards with passive effects had to be out before whatever activated them resolved, cards like Northern Scavengers that are activated by being played couldn't work. They are activated by being played, but they can never be out before being played, right? This scenario (revealing a plot passively, then immediately using it's passive ability) is just a more complex version of why Northern Scavengers works.

#2. "Compelled by the Sea" will let you choose and stand a non-unique location you do not control, then stand all Greyjoy characters with Banner attachments (no matter who controls them). However, "At the Point of a Blade" will not let you kneel an opponent's character with a military icon before kneeling all characters with power icons (no matter who controls them). The difference is that standing the non-unique location is an effect, but kneeling the character with a military icon is a cost. You can tell because "At the Point of a Blade" uses the "do X to do Y" template. (In this case, "kneel a character with a military icon TO kneel all characters with a power icon.") When you see something written in the "do X to do Y" template, X is a cost. You can only pay costs with your own cards. You can't kneel an opponent's influence or spend their gold; kneeling that character for "At the Point of a Blade" is the same thing.

So, unless an effect says it only affects your cards or your opponent's cards, it affects everything. But when you are dealing with costs, you can only use your own cards.

#3. Correct. Responses to winning/losing a challenge happen before any "Challenges" or "Any Phase" effects can be used. So even though a player has lost a challenge, the Carrion Bird's Response will always resolve (and stop it from being Winter) before they get a chance to play Winter Reinforcements.