I just print out the cards I need if I don't have enough copies. I sleeve my cards so no difference I buy 1 of everything and have a blast

Personally I feel its a low ball business tactic. "Forcing" the consumer to purchase an expansion they don't want just for a side card is greedy at best.

The problem mainly stems from having cards that you can only get one way. Forcing a rebel player to buy an imp shuttle just for a card they need is ludicrous.

Every expansion pack should have a card pack that could be purchased for 30-50% of the expansion price.

They would make a killing.

First of all, starting to sell card packs now would piss off a lot of the community who have invested their money to get multiples.

Secondly, no-one is being forced, you want the expansion. The card is part of the expansion, you want the card, therefore you want the expansion. You don't need the expansion, you want it. And if you want a luxury, what's wrong with paying the asking price for that luxury? And as the song goes, you can't always get what you want.

Yeah, this really annoys me about X-Wing. they should add more cards into the expansions but have the extras as duplicates from previous, so there each card comes with at least 2 ships from each faction, giving a choice of where you get them from It's not like the cards will cost FFG much to produce.

Or you just learn to accept you can't have everything handed to you. Things come at a price, after all.

Or just learn to give valid critics when answering to others. He is just criticizing one aspect of a game he dislikes as a customer, and his concern is as valid as your point of view on the subject, and if it is not, point out the flaws, not a generic "learn to be a conformist" kind of answer.

I do agree, i would prefer if the system allowed to get cards in more ways than buying a 90 euros ship for example.

The firespray is the one ship I had to buy 2 of just to get the cards I wanted even though I didn't need two of them. Gunner, vet instincts, stealth device, heavy las cannon. Most of the other ships I get by with the amount I have. We occasionally get extras thrown into aces or newer expansions and I find I only really miss upgrades on new ships like predator but it literally just came out.

For the 7234807243th time, you only *need* actual live real cards if you're playing in an official FFG sanctioned tournament (or if your local non-official tournament has a TO that has a cut-off Wampa arm up his/her backside). If you're just playing with your friends at your FLGS, play with whatever you want, i.e.: a proxy of the card. If you have friends that play and own their own, borrow the appropirate cards from them for the official FFG tournament.

Problem solved.

To echo the previous post, since the only time you need the cards is for official tournaments, be a nice guy and I bet you can borrow what you need.

I have lent out a bunch of stuff at tournaments before, and so have a lot of my gaming friends.

Otherwise, proxy if you cannot buy what you need. Or, as some have said, be patient untilthe card is reprinted in an Expansion that you *do* want.

As I just said in another recent thread, I think it should be obvious by now that if FFG thought they could make money by changing the distribution model to sell upgrade card packs, they would do it. (Not random boosters though, obviously. FFG is an industry leader in getting away from any random purchases.)

I wouldn't attack anyone's character that don't want proxies in tournaments, FFG official or not. It's one thing for casual play, but there are valid concerns about proxies in tournaments.

I wouldn't attack anyone's character that don't want proxies in tournaments, FFG official or not. It's one thing for casual play, but there are valid concerns about proxies in tournaments.

I wouldn't attack anyones character, but I would argue against "valid concerns about proxies..."

Outside of just keeping things official/simple for TOs, I don't see a single game effecting reason to not allow them. Heck 3rd party range rulers and movement templates can be used and they DO effect the game directly.

People getting busted replacing damage deck cards is valid concern. Someone slightly changing the wording or point value on a printed card seems like a pretty lame cheat. I am willing to bet a lot of tourney players would spot the errors withing the first round or 2.

All that being said... Annoying but not game breaking, FFG does a great job in EVERYOTHER aspect of the game.

Or you just learn to accept you can't have everything handed to you. Things come at a price, after all.

I fully expect to pay for my products, I just find it distasteful to put sought-after cards in with something like the Tantive. I have no issue spending money on X-Wing miniatures, but not ones I will never use. Proxying is fine, but I'd prefer to not have to and isn't possible if I were to enter any sort of officially sanctioned play... including ones where the ship in question isn't even legal, but some of its upgrades are.

In general, I think FFG have made a fantastic game and do almost everything right. Their customer service is top notch especially. The only real fault for me, is the lack of availability of some cards.

as said before no one is forced to buy anything. One thing which is nice about the distribution model, if you buy expansions you automatically have all the minimum needed stuff and if you have the ships of your choice then you also have a large enough pool of cards to create a wide range of usable lists based on those ships. Sure, you can't get all possible combinations of upgrades without buying an insane amount of surplus ships, but the same holds the other way round when wanting all possible ship combinations (I think there was a thread on the maximum number of theoretical usable ships).

if you want the luxury of extended lists then you have to pay - but hey, it's a miniature game so not that surprising.

as for proxies, you can use what you can agree on in a casual setting or the TO demands in a tournament - all in all that can range from all (with a heavy crafting task on the side ) to nothing depending on who you meet - if you want to assume what is standard while creating a prebuilt list that is your choice...

on Imp or Rebel only players, from what I have seen so far, unlike other games, this isn't necessarily designed to play only one side, at least in terms of buying only expansions of that side. For that there are too many upgrades, which are usable by both, but supplied only with few ships (possibly from the wrong faction). Here, the same rules still hold, and you can restrict yourself to specific expansions, if you are willing to build your lists from what you have got ... otherwise invest.

Wait, you're telling me you DON'T want as MANY awesome miniatures as humanly POSSIBLE?

"That boy needs therapy!"

I have never bought ships just for their cards. I did overdo my preorder on HWKs though thinking that they (and blaster turrets, especially on the Y-wing) would be better before they were fully spoiled

I think Veteran Instincts could use a reprint though, maybe engine upgrade too.

Any upgrades unique to large ships. I've got one of each, but I'd like more Sensor Jammers and Prox Mines. I'd be happy to buy a small ship for these, but I'm never going to fly multiple large ships and they'd take up too much storage space anyway.

I have never bought ships just for their cards. I did overdo my preorder on HWKs though thinking that they (and blaster turrets, especially on the Y-wing) would be better before they were fully spoiled

I think Veteran Instincts could use a reprint though, maybe engine upgrade too.

VI comes with both the Falcon and the Firespray. And you rarely need more than one copy of it.

And you get two engine upgrades in the Falcon, when do you need more than two and if so, more than four?

I have never bought ships just for their cards. I did overdo my preorder on HWKs though thinking that they (and blaster turrets, especially on the Y-wing) would be better before they were fully spoiled

I think Veteran Instincts could use a reprint though, maybe engine upgrade too.

VI comes with both the Falcon and the Firespray. And you rarely need more than one copy of it.

And you get two engine upgrades in the Falcon, when do you need more than two and if so, more than four?

For those who don't play rebels and don't plan to, it is great, isn't it ?

To be honest, i end up lending the cards to friends (poor fellah basically has one of my gunners most of the time ), and they do the same with me for tournaments and regular play, but it is definitly an annoying practice to have to buy others faction ships for cards.

Card packs is a option FFG needs to look at.

Downside: You wont get people to buy the mini's just to get cards.

Upside: It will slow people from using photoshop to make their cards.

I have never bought ships just for their cards. I did overdo my preorder on HWKs though thinking that they (and blaster turrets, especially on the Y-wing) would be better before they were fully spoiled

I think Veteran Instincts could use a reprint though, maybe engine upgrade too.

VI comes with both the Falcon and the Firespray. And you rarely need more than one copy of it.

And you get two engine upgrades in the Falcon, when do you need more than two and if so, more than four?

For those who don't play rebels and don't plan to, it is great, isn't it ?

To be honest, i end up lending the cards to friends (poor fellah basically has one of my gunners most of the time ), and they do the same with me for tournaments and regular play, but it is definitly an annoying practice to have to buy others faction ships for cards.

Vader and TIE Defender are about the only imperial ships that might want an Engine Upgrade. If this annoys you, play another game or proxy. It's not like they suddenly changed how they produce things.

I think the worst ones must be the Unique Crew cards in the Tantive.

C-3PO has become somewhat of a staple tournament crew for anyone flying the YT-1300. The Han Crew is deceptively powerful, and while R2-D2 Crew and Leia are Standard 100 point format legal neither sees play (at least yet anyways)

Due to them being unique’s they will likely never be reprinted (currently AFAIK no Unique upgrade card has been reprinted).

Also because your only allowed 1 Tantive in epic play very, very few people will have bought a second one and have spares of the unique for sale, unlike the transport where a lot of people have bought multiples and have been willing to sell/trade their unique duplicates.

I can only hope that they do get reprinted as I'm not willing ot pay the price of 6 full small ship expansions for just a couple crew cards.

Alternatively anyone willing to sell me thier Han and C-3PO crew cards for a reasonable price let me know

What's interesting is that the Bay of E doesn't really sell cards separately.

I have never bought ships just for their cards. I did overdo my preorder on HWKs though thinking that they (and blaster turrets, especially on the Y-wing) would be better before they were fully spoiled

I think Veteran Instincts could use a reprint though, maybe engine upgrade too.

VI comes with both the Falcon and the Firespray. And you rarely need more than one copy of it.

And you get two engine upgrades in the Falcon, when do you need more than two and if so, more than four?

For those who don't play rebels and don't plan to, it is great, isn't it ?

To be honest, i end up lending the cards to friends (poor fellah basically has one of my gunners most of the time ), and they do the same with me for tournaments and regular play, but it is definitly an annoying practice to have to buy others faction ships for cards.

Vader and TIE Defender are about the only imperial ships that might want an Engine Upgrade. If this annoys you, play another game or proxy. It's not like they suddenly changed how they produce things.

Card packs is a option FFG needs to look at.

Downside: You wont get people to buy the mini's just to get cards.

Upside: It will slow people from using photoshop to make their cards.

I agree it would be nice but business isn't necessary nice. And ad long as FFG doesn't directly screw their fans there's no need for them to loose money just to be unnecessary nice.

Regarding your upside claim, that really isn't an upside in any way. Not for FFG anyway.

I can understand this to a point. I would love an empire ship to buy that has the torps that only come with the transport and e wing. Aside from that, I have all the upgrades I need/want at this point. Generally I just pick up ships I want to field and get the upgrades I need. Most others I've traded for ( aside from the falcon which I got one on sale, took the cards I needed and hooked a friend up with his third one for free, just for Draw their fire and the shield and engine upgrades ) Mostly they do a good job, usually it is a wave apart if your patient. ( Like the recon being first on hwk, then with the phantom, or the fire control and advanced sensors )

As an aside, engine upgrade is one of the best mods I've found in the game. It seems like whatever it touches, it makes better. Never run shuttles without it ( unless its a vader crew shuttle ). Though with the release of the maligned defender, who also works well with the engine upgrade, I can see some dual defender, single shuttle smack downs.

I have never bought ships just for their cards. I did overdo my preorder on HWKs though thinking that they (and blaster turrets, especially on the Y-wing) would be better before they were fully spoiled

I think Veteran Instincts could use a reprint though, maybe engine upgrade too.

VI comes with both the Falcon and the Firespray. And you rarely need more than one copy of it.

And you get two engine upgrades in the Falcon, when do you need more than two and if so, more than four?

Epic games and Lambda Shuttles. 6 Lambdas means room for 6 engine upgrades if you want to run half your points as space cattle.

I have never bought ships just for their cards. I did overdo my preorder on HWKs though thinking that they (and blaster turrets, especially on the Y-wing) would be better before they were fully spoiled

I think Veteran Instincts could use a reprint though, maybe engine upgrade too.

VI comes with both the Falcon and the Firespray. And you rarely need more than one copy of it.

And you get two engine upgrades in the Falcon, when do you need more than two and if so, more than four?

For those who don't play rebels and don't plan to, it is great, isn't it ?

To be honest, i end up lending the cards to friends (poor fellah basically has one of my gunners most of the time ), and they do the same with me for tournaments and regular play, but it is definitly an annoying practice to have to buy others faction ships for cards.

Vader and TIE Defender are about the only imperial ships that might want an Engine Upgrade. If this annoys you, play another game or proxy. It's not like they suddenly changed how they produce things.

And Lambda ? By the way, you don't tell what i should or shouldn't do. It can annoy me, but not in the level "i won't play this game anymore". I am the one who decides how big of a deal it is for myself, not you. If i want to be vocal about it, i will, and to be honest, none have posted anything worth to reconsiderate my posture about it.

I have never bought ships just for their cards. I did overdo my preorder on HWKs though thinking that they (and blaster turrets, especially on the Y-wing) would be better before they were fully spoiled

I think Veteran Instincts could use a reprint though, maybe engine upgrade too.

VI comes with both the Falcon and the Firespray. And you rarely need more than one copy of it.

And you get two engine upgrades in the Falcon, when do you need more than two and if so, more than four?

Epic games and Lambda Shuttles. 6 Lambdas means room for 6 engine upgrades if you want to run half your points as space cattle.

I did forget the Lambda, but to be honest if you own 6 Lambda shuttles, is it going to be unlikely that you don't own three YT-1300's?