Local game store has had xwing gaming weekly..

Apparently the majority of players are bringing the same lists time and time again, same ships, same combos.. I understand this is what may be most effective but, doesn't it get boring when 10 people show up and there is maybe 2 types of rebel lists and 2 imperial lists, among everyone?

I like gaming, winning is fun, but it's not everything.

Lately I've even trying other things like mixing in Tie Advanced (not Vader either) and YWings (no turrets) into my games.

Many units/pilots barely get any play unless you do a scenario game, which is sad.

This is typical of players that play to compete. It isn't about winning. It's about giving your best and your opponent giving theirs. It also creates a personal feel to your list if you play it several times, or basic varients of it several times. I basically own Shuttle, firespray, ties at my venue. Nobody else runs it.

Playing to win is far less common than people think. You have the occasional sore loser, but many players hate getting crushed(and hate crushing their opponent). They want a tense epic game that is down to the wire. The best way to assure that is for every player to bring a good solid list.

Why make assumptions on the reasons people bring the same lists. It could very well be because that is the list they enjoy.

We had this issue at my LGS. You just have to analyze the squads that see a lot of play, and paper that rock. Then bring your scissors next week. if your store's group saw someone win with some different lists, or maybe not even winning, but at least doing something different, then it could shake things up.

Do both, I always play to win, but not at the expense of both people having a fun game, even in tournies. I rarely fly the same list all the time and still win more than I lose.

By constantly switching up my list, you have to play me, not my list. Using the same list makes you practiced with it, but it also makes you predictable.

Mix it up. HAVE FUN.

This kind of thread ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc&feature=kp

Why make assumptions on the reasons people bring the same lists. It could very well be because that is the list they enjoy.

When people and plan a build based on hit percentages out to the thousandth...and choose cards based on that... Yes, it's all about winning to them, not building a list that they enjoy or like.. It's all about maximizing output / chance to win.

Certain cards as a result, will never be played.

Things like that make me think of the flaw of Star Trek Attack Wing.. Only certain captains get play in 98% of competitive games/lists. Luckily I never bought into that game.

Why make assumptions on the reasons people bring the same lists. It could very well be because that is the list they enjoy.

When people and plan a build based on hit percentages out to the thousandth...and choose cards based on that... Yes, it's all about winning to them, not building a list that they enjoy or like.. It's all about maximizing output / chance to win.

Obvious troll thread i guess. You can't be serious.

Why make assumptions on the reasons people bring the same lists. It could very well be because that is the list they enjoy.

When people and plan a build based on hit percentages out to the thousandth...and choose cards based on that... Yes, it's all about winning to them, not building a list that they enjoy or like.. It's all about maximizing output / chance to win.

Certain cards as a result, will never be played.

Things like that make me think of the flaw of Star Trek Attack Wing.. Only certain captains get play in 98% of competitive games/lists. Luckily I never bought into that game.

Wanting to play to your best is not playing to win. I ran Cross Country to my best in High School. I never won a race. I never placed excessively well even. But I challenged myself to do the best I could. I believe Pat Rothfuss put it best int The Wise Mans Fear. I play for a Beautiful game. A game where both players play to the best of their abilities, their lists are designed tk face eachother well, and both walk away going, "Holy Crap that was close."

Are the builds "exactly" the same?

I have used the same three 'ships' every week at our league, but have yet to use the same 'build' twice. If I stick with three XWings this week, it will be yet another different build. I am finding a lot of fun just changing pilots and upgrades, that is a lot of variables alone.

Also, I play at home and at the store in between league nights and try other ships/builds during those sessions as well. Could the others in your area be doing that?

Part of the fun is finding what works well with your style of play! Some ships don't 'jive' with their style and they stick with what is fun to fly, hence choice of ships may stay the same!

Why make assumptions on the reasons people bring the same lists. It could very well be because that is the list they enjoy.

When people and plan a build based on hit percentages out to the thousandth...and choose cards based on that... Yes, it's all about winning to them, not building a list that they enjoy or like.. It's all about maximizing output / chance to win.

Certain cards as a result, will never be played.

Things like that make me think of the flaw of Star Trek Attack Wing.. Only certain captains get play in 98% of competitive games/lists. Luckily I never bought into that game.

Don't underestimate the power of the dice in this game. Your percentages mean exactly d**k to the dice gods.

Why make assumptions on the reasons people bring the same lists. It could very well be because that is the list they enjoy.

When people and plan a build based on hit percentages out to the thousandth...and choose cards based on that... Yes, it's all about winning to them, not building a list that they enjoy or like.. It's all about maximizing output / chance to win.

Certain cards as a result, will never be played.

Things like that make me think of the flaw of Star Trek Attack Wing.. Only certain captains get play in 98% of competitive games/lists. Luckily I never bought into that game.

Don't underestimate the power of the dice in this game. Your percentages mean exactly d**k to the dice gods.

Haha luckily I know that the percentages on paper are on thing and reality of randomness is another. If I didn't have luck on my side , id of been in trouble 2 games ago vs a guy I played.

How many games do you see tempest squad pilots or gold squad pilots, without turrets?

Could prob count them on one hand , at least in recent times , after the newer waves

And???

People don't have to play stuff they feel are bad. I don't care about the math, but I still don't like to use Expose.

Of course people are well within their rights to run whatever they like. The same as I would to ditch the system if it turns out to be a copy n paste game.

Of course people are well within their rights to run whatever they like. The same as I would to ditch the system if it turns out to be a copy n paste game.

That's not something in players hands, but developers. People tend to put fault in the wrong places. People who enjoy to compete =/= people who only play to win. And list building, is a part of the competitive proccess. You don't enjoy it ? Fine buddy, just play with people with your own mindset, but for christ sake, stop trying to convince that there is some holy way of enjoying a hobby.

It is tiresome. I had seen it before too many times already. The funny thing is i don't see competitive players telling you to play their way, but casuals telling you how you should relax, chill, take a pill. I DON'T WANT TO RELAX, I WANT TO GAME.

And doesn't correlate to me being a prick in the table, or not playing scenarios (i like them too), because i tend to mix it up, but if somebody doesn't, it is not my goddamn business. I have no right to prejudice him/her because of it like some sort of devil, or boring, or tryhard, or even call a casual scrub for playing bad builds. It is their money, their time and their fun.

Whoa there buddy. Did I say there was a 'holy way' to play this game or tell you how to play? No. Why don't you read my post?

What I said was it's every players right to run what they like. Just like it's mine to stop playing if I come across the same thing all the time.

That was a serious unnecessary attitude post. Well done you.

Did I say there is one "holy" (your words not mine) to play the game.

Just saying I would personally get bored if I just cherry picked the "best" and did that every single game.

Again, like in attack wing.. From what I heard, one captain (Kirk or Picard) gets 2 actions. So people put him in nearly every build on a ship.

If there are say 100 cards but 98% of builds use the same 30-40.. It's like a chunk of the game is missing in action because it's not effective for a competitive build.

Thought this was a discussion forum, not a "talk about things unless we disagree with you, then we will get pissy and attack" forum.

Lay off the caps, and the Mountain Dew. Lol. Just throwing ideas and thoughts out there. Not looking to get in some interweb war.

one of you has bad grammar, one can't spell. You both lose!

Hehe. I can never spell unnecessary.

But you're right I have lost, cause if attitude like that is rampant here I'll be off.

Except this isn't a discussion topic. This is a topic meant to judge others based on your own notions of the game. Fascinating thing, is that when people think they are being judged, they tend to get a defensive attitude. Judging someone merely on bringing the same list every time is just so freaking petty. Especially since we here don't know what list they are bringing.

This is an endless fight, that I have seen in every god **** game I've played and interacted with online. It gets really, really old. What is so tough about letting someone play what they want to play, for whatever reason.

Sealed box tourney kits ftw I guess...

May as well. Lol

Why make assumptions on the reasons people bring the same lists. It could very well be because that is the list they enjoy.

When people and plan a build based on hit percentages out to the thousandth...and choose cards based on that... Yes, it's all about winning to them, not building a list that they enjoy or like.. It's all about maximizing output / chance to win.

Certain cards as a result, will never be played.

Things like that make me think of the flaw of Star Trek Attack Wing.. Only certain captains get play in 98% of competitive games/lists. Luckily I never bought into that game.

Wow, thst is some weapons grade condescension there. Can you walk straight looking down your nose that way? Playing to win and playing for fun are not mutually exclusive. So repeat with me this important life mantra, "People are not you. They are not wrong or bad for not being you. You are not the archetype to wich we all must aspire."

Seriously sometimes people are wrong and need to be told, slavery or non-Keynesian ecconomics come to mind, but most of the time tribalism is needlessly decisive and a human instinct we should fight.

The way I see things there are three pretty simple reasons why a person would continually bring the same squadron to play:

1. It wins consistently.

2. It is a squadron the player enjoys using. May also be the most comfortable and best known one.

3. Perhaps it is the only "real" squadron they can bring.

The more complete reason is probably a mixture of two, or even all three of those answers. Reason #1 is pretty much "play to win" but the last two certainly lean more towards "play for fun."

As for me I play to win and have fun doing it. As Stelar 7 just said the two are NOT mutually exclusive although I do believe you can have some people trying to win so hard they suck the fun from the game (see the cheating thread being discussed now) while also having some people play "terrible" squads just because they can.