The visuals on that were amazing, really well put togeather.

Having said that I think the ATAT could have killed the enterprise, but I am willing to ignore it for the joy of seeing a Death Star shot.

Kaaaaaaa-boooooom

Thread would have been better with a title like cool fan film enterprise vs empire.

I've got both games, and the biggest complaint I have is the mixing of captains and factions. I don't play that way, but I don't got to conventions and play either.

The biggest difference I see between the two is that there are far fewer opportunities to modify dice in Attack Wing. The ships that can cloak (in general) don't even have the Battle Stations action (the equivalent of Focus). You are rolling more attack dice, but what you roll is what you get a lot more than in X-Wing.

The miniatures don't bother me, since I just replace most of them with Micromachines from the '90s. They look a lot better.

I like both games, but I play more X-Wing.

I agree that Attack Wing "fast-tracked" each "wave", and the ships that are, at this time. only available to those who played in the OP events. I'm sure that those ships will be available to the general public soon. Don't get me started on that "special" die that Wizkids released during one of the early OP events. I don't know the reason behind it -- "Oh, we're unable to hit anything with the normal dice. Let's ask Wizkids to produce a die with a "double hit" on a side, and call it the "Elite Attack Die."

I bought the Starter Set and a few Expansion Packs at Gen Con last year for the main reason that I am a fan of the FlightPath system thanks to X-wing, and to see if it might take off with my friends who happen to be Star Trek fans too. I like to say, I live in the galaxy far far away; but will visit the Federation from time to time.

In the end, Stay classy, Fantasy Flight.

Here's the video for anyone who wants it.

It is somewhat amusing.

I know there is an episode where tng mocks a ship armed with lasers but no way would that star destroyer fail to knock the ship out of the air, star destroyer is the general term for a ship able to dominate an entire system with its fire power.

So the question is SW vs. ST and not AW vs. XW? First I would like to point out that I am far more of a ST fan than a SW fan (though I still love the latter). My opinion is therefore a bit biased. That being said:

Yes, lasers are obsolete tech in Star Trek. However, the weapons called "lasers" in Star Wars are not lasers in the traditional sense and do not function like them at all. They are more equivalent to fusion bores and are as much of a laser as a phaser is. Further ST ships are shown to have alot of trouble with electromagnetic weaponry. Ion cannons would wreck them. Now lets compare a few of the official statistics of the Enterprise D and Slave-1.

Star Wars: Slave-1 Main guns: 64000 GW (2 kilotons per shot, 480 rpm firing rate)

Star Trek: Enterprise-D Main phasers: 3.6 GW

Star Wars: Slave-1 Missiles: 190 megatons (tail-launched missiles; seismic charge mines are roughly 12000 megatons)

Star Trek: Enterprise-D Photon torpedoes: 64 megatons

Star Wars: Slave-1 Sublight acceleration: 2500G

Star Trek: Enterprise-D Sublight acceleration: 1000G

I think that SW wins in a fight. However SW stats are so nonsensical and silly (Obi-Wan's starfighter has an operational range of 150,000 light-years while Enterprise-D Operational range is 2750 light-years), that ST takes a huge moral victory. But this is what happens when you try to compare a Science Fantasy (SW) to an actual Science Fiction setting (ST).

I've seen the ships on the racks next to the Star Wars stuff. A single Tie Fighter is double the size of the Enterprise, which is supposed to be the premier ship in Star Trek, right? The people crewing that thing must be the size of Amoebas. As for the Borg Cube, just have a Rebel Transport crash through it and obliterate it.

That borg cutting beam is 10 attack dice, that will not buff out.

Now I know the game has a lot of detractors here, but I'll say my peace anyways. I actually have a good deal of fun with Attack wing, as much as I do with X wing. They are different games aside from the movement system. The paint jobs are clearly better in X wing, but for those who re paint them anyways, I'd consider that difference negligible.

I wonder if most who detract from Attack wing have really played it much or simply poo poo the models and speak without time spent to have a more in depth opinion ? Not saying such to stir the pot, but I am curious. As for time I spent I mean more then a game or two, but actually played it for good while.

It is ok to like both, just like it is ok to love both the empire and rebellion ( Though the Empire is clearly the best )

I have played Attack Wing and liked the game initially, but it's honestly not a good game.

First Wizkids is horrendous at balancing games. I've played a bunch of their products and they are without a doubt the least play-tested games I've ever played. They've had multiple OP scenarios that had to be modified once the community got a look at them because upon a cursory glance they were completely broken. They price their ships according to a 2 point per stat formula. Which doesn't take into account; special abilities, action bars, upgrade slots, firing arc, or dial. None of those make or break things are at all figured into the price of any ship.

While their OP prizes are a big draw their OP system is worse then FFGs. Broken scenarios that are either pointless or require errata, no FAQ document for a myriad of problematic rules, and no larger scale events. No Regionals, Nationals, or Worlds; because to have such things you have to actually try and balance your game. Never mind the community and the inane "faction pure" argument every other day. Really the game was meant to play faction pure when one faction (Federation) is the only one that will get a release in each wave, major factions (Klingon and Romulan) are pretty much done, and some minor factions will only ever get one release ever. How is faction pure suppose to work long term? But because the game is so poorly balanced it comes up repeatedly.

The one thing they got right was ordnance weapons being re-armed and not attaching pilots to ships. Given that many pilots in SW flew many different ships it be nice to be able to put Horn or Celchu in an X-wing, but I see the balance reasons to not allow such things.

I think we should have a scientific argument again about who'd win based on technology, cos those are always fun. I say Federation, because laser weaponry is considered obsolete in Star Trek, I'm not convinced even a super laser would penetrate a standard ship's shields, whereas the Empire doesn't have shielding to handle phase based weapons (as far as I know).

A gun that can blow up a shielded planet can't swat the Enterprise with a direct hit?

The scale really is a deal breaker for me when it comes to attack wing, a repaint won't fix that issue.

And as others have pointed out wizzkids arnt great at games I remember what they did to battletech with the dark ages crap.

I actually have a good deal of fun with Attack wing, as much as I do with X wing. They are different games aside from the movement system.

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I wonder if most who detract from Attack wing have really played it much or simply poo poo the models and speak without time spent to have a more in depth opinion ? Not saying such to stir the pot, but I am curious. As for time I spent I mean more then a game or two, but actually played it for good while.

It is ok to like both, just like it is ok to love both the empire and rebellion ( Though the Empire is clearly the best )

I am in agreement. While I can't invest anywhere nearly as deeply as X-Wing (my first love haha), I really enjoy Attack wing as it has enough variance to scratch a different itch and have gotten several of my friends interested in "miniature" gaming who would have otherwise passed on the concept altogether. Yes I know, the force is weak in those friends... they are hopeless.

I have to disagree. It's not just about the paint.

Put another way, it's not that Attack wing is that horrible, it's that X-Wing minis are just so much better.

Some great pics there born.

It doesn't matter how great and engaging a game's rules are if you don't like the toys.

My friend and I created a game called Dog Turd Wars. It was basically a tabletop war game. We brought in bags and bags of our figures into the local Game Shop, and dumped everything out on one of the tables in the back. We were in the middle of picking out terrain and building our lists when we were asked to leave.

I offered to demo the game to everyone in the store, but absolutely noone was interested.

The best thing about the game is all of the figures can be found in the park. Next Wave has the capital ships, but you can only find them in a cow pasture.

http://www.tanksandtrolls.co.uk/Star%20Trek%20Attack%20Wing.htm

I think this proves with a complete repaint of every single ship Attack Wing can be made to look good. But I still can't stand that there is zero effort to even vaguely make ships feel in scale to each other That dinky little Enterprise killed my interest in the game as soon as I saw it. Having borrowed a fleet to try it out.... it just feels broken in so many ways. I hate the characters being on any **** ship, and so many broken combos from OP events. I just didn't enjoy the experience.

Did like the big planet obstacle, being able to chase a ship around it or use it to split a fleet was the one enjoyable bit of tactics I got to play with. Think a similar sized template of say a space station would be good in X-wing

The scale really is a deal breaker for me when it comes to attack wing, a repaint won't fix that issue.

And as others have pointed out wizzkids arnt great at games I remember what they did to battletech with the dark ages crap.

This, a thousand times this. As a Battletech player, what Wizkids did was a killing blow to a franchise that needed soemthing amazing to keep it going.

The scale really is a deal breaker for me when it comes to attack wing, a repaint won't fix that issue.

And as others have pointed out wizzkids arnt great at games I remember what they did to battletech with the dark ages crap.

This, a thousand times this. As a Battletech player, what Wizkids did was a killing blow to a franchise that needed soemthing amazing to keep it going.

Well fortunately catalyst has now brought the original back reprinting TROs and the like.

To me, it's mostly a matter of trust. I just trust FFG much more to make a reasonable game and keep it balanced than I do WizKids. And, I hate exclusives, particularly when they're tournament legal and even give you an advantage there.

The scale really is a deal breaker for me when it comes to attack wing, a repaint won't fix that issue.

And as others have pointed out wizzkids arnt great at games I remember what they did to battletech with the dark ages crap.

This, a thousand times this. As a Battletech player, what Wizkids did was a killing blow to a franchise that needed soemthing amazing to keep it going.

Battletech is still going strong.

Here's the video for anyone who wants it.

It is somewhat amusing.

I know there is an episode where tng mocks a ship armed with lasers but no way would that star destroyer fail to knock the ship out of the air, star destroyer is the general term for a ship able to dominate an entire system with its fire power.

I think that SW wins in a fight. However SW stats are so nonsensical and silly (Obi-Wan's starfighter has an operational range of 150,000 light-years while Enterprise-D Operational range is 2750 light-years), that ST takes a huge moral victory. But this is what happens when you try to compare a Science Fantasy (SW) to an actual Science Fiction setting (ST).

Well, to be fair, Star Wars has had hyperspace travel for 25,000 years or more, while ST has had warp for a couple of centuries.

The scale really is a deal breaker for me when it comes to attack wing, a repaint won't fix that issue.

And as others have pointed out wizzkids arnt great at games I remember what they did to battletech with the dark ages crap.

This, a thousand times this. As a Battletech player, what Wizkids did was a killing blow to a franchise that needed soemthing amazing to keep it going.

Battletech is still going strong.

I am aware of that, I run a Merc unit for MWO and Battletech and try to play Mega Mek every weekend. What I was trying to say is that there was an opportunity to GROW the Battletech community and expose a entire new generation to it and instead we got a game where people would pay $65 for one VTOL on ebay cause it was so broken you could crush people and just like Attack Wing tourny exclusive prizes that were better than everything else. When I was deciding about attack wing I didn't even have to hear the second syllable of who was making it to know I wanted nothing to do with it.

Also the guys at Catalyst are doing an amazing job, I got to play a couple games with them at last years PAX Prime, super cool dudes!

Please not again, both are different games from two differents targets, greettings.

I will admit Attacking Wing is best when they actully start selling real ships and not plastic minis.

The scale really is a deal breaker for me when it comes to attack wing, a repaint won't fix that issue.

And as others have pointed out wizzkids arnt great at games I remember what they did to battletech with the dark ages crap.

This, a thousand times this. As a Battletech player, what Wizkids did was a killing blow to a franchise that needed soemthing amazing to keep it going.

I tired selling a giant Spirit cat army, named characters alone should be $60 - $70 a piece. The auction went for $10. It almost went to $5 because Ebay didnt like the fact the top bidder had a I.P.A that changed alot, he was in the USA ARMY. Ebay kicked him and his bid...

Horrorclix and Haloclix were awesome. Hell yes too Alien vs Predator vs HALO, and if you felt real crazy, vs Cthulu.

Attack Wing would probably be alot more enjoyable for people on this forum if you just imagine JT Kirk running around with his crew playing space-GTA V with everyone's ships while picking up space hookers and space blow along the way.