Regarding the promo jedah deck discussion -> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp?efid=27&efcid=5&efidt=119860

Does it work that way? If you have an enhance on an attack, and that attack is in your staging area as a foundation, can you play it's E? I was under the impression you couldn't, but not exactly sure why.

Thanks

Smazzurco said:

From the AGR:

2.2.13 Game text on attacks will only generate an effect while the attack is in the card pool.
2.2.14 Played abilities on attacks may only be played while the attack is in the card pool.

understood. But, wording on promo jedah makes the attack "considered a foundation".

It also does not mention anything about blanking the text box. So does the ability then become an E: on a foundation?

I know an E on an attack can only be played when the attack is (active) in the card pool, but how about an E that is now on a foundation?

Hope i am making sense....

It needs to be considered a foundation because otherwise you would not be able to commit it to pass checks, pay costs, etc. It would sit there and wave at you and say "Hi! Look at me, I'm in your staging area doing nothing!"

Ultimately the game text on an attack that has made it into the staging area doesn't work. Unless the text on the attack says it does. See: Kazekiri

I'm gonna be argumentative and say that the game shouldn't see it as an attack any more. The text on Jedah says to consider it a foundation, period. So, it's a foundation, and it doesn't matter what the rules say about attacks at that point.

No. Doesn't work that way. Period. Has been discussed several times since card's release. Ruling will not change.

ok but we are not saying that we are trying to change the ruling or that we dont understand it we just want it to be clarified so that its not just an we say so ruling

Da_ghetto_gamer said:

Antigoth said:

Does quoting the Game Rules give sufficient evidence that it's not just "We Say so?"

Jedah1 says:

E Commit 1 Foundation: If your attack deals X damage, during your End Phase, add your attack to your staging area as a Foundation. This attack is considered a foundation while in your staging area. X equals your attack's printed damage.

AGR says:

2.5.6 Text Box: Here are descriptions for any special abilities the character [sic] possesses.

2.9.2.2 During an attack, only Enhances printed on the current attack, printed on cards in a player's staging area, or Actions with E abilities played from the hand can be used.

So Jedah says it counts as a Foundation while in my staging area. 2.5.6 details what constitutes an ability on a foundation. 2.9.2.2 says when you can play enhances on cards in your staging area. While 2.2.13 and 2.2.14 restrict Attacks, this card is considered a Foundation and therefore eligible to have Enhances in its text box played during attacks.

Ghetto - your statement contradicts itself.

Centipede - Except 2.213/14 create, in essence, a "can't", by stating that abilities on attacks can ONLY be played while in the card pool. If it's not in the card pool, it *can't* play abilities printed on it.

And since, unless a card specifically states otherwise (Kazekiri, one of the battle box Ryu attacks, Rush/Machine Gund Dog), "can't" beats "can"...

The math is simple.

This has been ruled this way at least four times since the card was printed OVER a year ago, and, if memory serves, one of those was when we had a rules arbiter that people never argued with back at the original boards. It's not a "we say so ruling", and there never has been one.

MegaGeese said:

Thanks W!

***Stamp***

The real reason it doesn't work is once it hits the staging area, it is considered BOTH an attack and a foundation.

The attack rule says its abilities can't be played. That can't rule overrides the can rule from the foundations section.

Although if Jedah's card actually said this, it would be a lot more obvious.

ARMed_PIrate said:

I'm sensing this can be covered in the functional errata update that's on the horizon.