So everyone here knows about the TIE Avenger and how it's basically a better, mass produced TIE Advanced.

So, what if they did something meta if they released this? All the same stats as a TIE Advanced, cheaper costs, but no ability to use Vader with it... And not only that...

...Completely ceasing production of TIE Advanced Miniatures, making them short-run and rare just like they were in the SW universe? Of course, in the TIE Avenger pack, including a Vader (For TIE Advanced) card with reduced cost, and "Cost reduction" cards for the TIE Advanced (but not the Avenger) for those who want to use their TIE advanced instead? Actually giving them the option...

But allowing others who never bothered to get the Advanced, to run alongside those guys, so they don't necessarily have an advantage. Basically it'd end up being a cosmetic choice and having to slap down an extra card, if you wanted to use your TIE Advanced.

But it'd make sense given the in-universe rarity of the Advanced, no?

I dunno'. Just tossing this idea out there.

Strongly against rares. If FFG start releasing rare miniatures I'll stop buying this game and start selling everything. It's bad enough that they have released alternative art cards to a selected few. But that's just art after all. If suddenly I miss a ship due to it being a rare I'm out.

Need unlike button. Rares are the death of many a game, Xwing would be no different.

I am also strongly against getting an avenger model in a more useful slot. Make it an advanced trlemso we can get a use out of our current advanced, fanboys can get thier beloved avenger, and we can save a slot for something cooler than an advanced with poity tips.

whoa hey no need for an unlike button in this case, simple no works. Just a concept. Didn't say it was a good one.

FFG have an observed-if-not-exactly-stated policy of not changing existing cards. Notice, for example, the Charadan Refit - a.k.a. "yeah...we kind of overcosted the basic A-wing. Sorry!" rather than changing and re-releasing the current A-wing cards.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar title card at some point to 'correct' the TIE Advanced - I wouldn't suggest it be TIE Avenger related because that has a noticeable visual difference to the Advanced X1 and the production-standard Advanced.

I'm not sure about the Avenger generally - by definition it would have to be very similar in performance to the Advanced but better, and there's not much 'room' in the rules for that without bumping into other ships; the TIE defender had to be somewhat misrepresented by keeping the speed but removing the agility in order to give it a different 'feel' to other ships.

I approve of the alternative art cards for similar reasoning to mr.thomasschmidt - it allows them to have something unique to give away at events and game nights as prizes, but unlike Attack wing you're not giving away new ships that are not available in store and in several cases are out-and-out better than normal ones; just the same card with some variant art. I swapped the rebel variant art cards to get a Mauler Mithel because I like Black Squadron, but if I hadn't it would in no way disadvantage me in the game.

How would I do the TIE Avenger?

You've got me wondering, now.

The Avenger was the Empire's super-superiority fighter - not as powerful as the defender, but capable of out-dogfighting it.

High speed is the key, but (unlike the defender) agility, too. Shields were good, hull armour less so. It carried 4 lasers, not 2 like the X1 prototype

If anything, if the Advanced is a close match to an 'Imperial X-wing", then the Avenger is more an "Imperial E-wing" - I'd be tempted to say 3/3/3/2 and then play tunes with the dial and actions.

One thing that might be interesting is putting greens at higher speeds, but not limiting it to straights like the defenders - so all speed three, four and five forward manouvres are green, but (unlike most fighters) few if any speed 1-2 manouvres are (possibly don't give it any speed 1 manouvres). Add on boost, barrel roll and evade, like an interceptor.

Of course, the key thing is that FFG have kind of 'mashed' the X1 and Avenger together in their game (for example, putting Maarek Stele in it). So they may do a 'TIE Avenger' title card after all.

Well I definitely didn't say disadvantage anybody.

Just release 4 new pilots for the advanced in an Aces pack, at the corrected cost. That should be enough to fix the Advanced and take care of the problem in the simplest matter, without clunky refits.

I'd love an avenger release with a similar discount card to what the a-wing is getting soon, 3332 sounds right for the production model tie avenger.

X-Wing has a very casual crowed that follows it. Producing rates would push a certain number of these players away. Just look at the cost of some of the alternate art cards, dice and tokens and imagine how high a rare ship would go!

Just release 4 new pilots for the advanced in an Aces pack, at the corrected cost. That should be enough to fix the Advanced and take care of the problem in the simplest matter, without clunky refits.

The problem is that a lot of people really, really want to use Maarek Stele. He's the protagonist in the TIE Fighter computer games, and as such one of the most iconic characters never to appear in the films themselves. I don't object to new pilots, and can suggest several straight off, but a title card or modification at the same time lets you benefit the existing Advanced pilots.

The other question is if it should benefit Vader, but that has the advantage that Vader is in an Advanced X1, not an advanced, so it's easy to make a refit not useable for him specifically.