@Parravon I completely agree.

I thought about this afterwards and Dbmeboy explains perfectly where the confusion comes into play.

The triggering condition for Tactician is interpreted as either:

1) After you perform an attack. The target is inside your firing arc at range 2

2) After you perform an attack at range 2 in your firing arc

Because of the YT's ability to target outside of its firing arc, its makes the triggering condition for Tactician somewhat unclear.

I'm going to fire it off to Frank and see what comes back.

I'm starting to think thought that it is # 2 instead of #1 (when you consider a normal ships application).

I'm really curious still.

I thought about this afterwards and Dbmeboy explains perfectly where the confusion comes into play.

The triggering condition for Tactician is interpreted as either:

1) After you perform an attack. The target is inside your firing arc at range 2

2) After you perform an attack at range 2 in your firing arc

Because of the YT's ability to target outside of its firing arc, its makes the triggering condition for Tactician somewhat unclear.

I'm going to fire it off to Frank and see what comes back.

I'm starting to think thought that it is # 2 instead of #1 (when you consider a normal ships application).

Any answer yet?

I'm really curious still.

nothing yet.

How does tactician work on a CR-90?

Whike we are waiting, I had the misfortune of facing a CR-90 with 3 quad lasers and Tactician last night. We were stacking stress tokens all over. And Yorr had yo worj overtime to ensure I could pull a critical k-turn

Check your junk mail folder. Sometimes Franks replies end up in there.

How does tactician work on a CR-90?

I will say that he Works Wonders, if it is armed with Quad laser cannons, and you can generate enough power..

Check your junk mail folder. Sometimes Franks replies end up in there.

Been checking. Still no reply.

I thought about this afterwards and Dbmeboy explains perfectly where the confusion comes into play.

The triggering condition for Tactician is interpreted as either:

1) After you perform an attack. The target is inside your firing arc at range 2

2) After you perform an attack at range 2 in your firing arc

Just curious on number 1. Why do you add a period? The card actually says: "After you preform an attack against a ship inside your firing arc at Range 2, [...]"

The clause is complete. You need to add something to the text to get your interpretation don't you?

The question is if the target inside your firing arc at range 2 has to be shot in your firing arc at range 2. This interaction only occurs with a YT and a HWK (firing outside of its arc option with a crew slot).

The OP was using a YT with a shot outside of arc at range 1, but had the target in arc at range 2. Tactician triggers after the attack is performed so it makes it a little confusing. You would check for the attack and get range one, but then check for Tactician's effect and get range 2. What isn't readily clear is that if the shot and effect must be the same range check.

Even apart from the timing question, there's a measurement question. The limitation that the line used for range has to be in the arc applies solely to the attack. No other range check in the game uses it. Is the fact that Tactician is referring to the attack enough for it to inherit that difference? <shrug> No way to know, really.

So there are actually about 3 different issues with this one, any one of which that could go either way. Nothing to do but wait for a response.

It does seem to be a loophole, however I'm guessing if they clarify for this type of situation they would say you get the range 1 attack and no tactician.

Besides, what would you rather have anyways, a range 1 shot, or a range 2 shot with stress? I'll take the range 1 shot any day. Means more damage potential and more likely to get a kill.

It does seem to be a loophole, however I'm guessing if they clarify for this type of situation they would say you get the range 1 attack and no tactician.

Besides, what would you rather have anyways, a range 1 shot, or a range 2 shot with stress? I'll take the range 1 shot any day. Means more damage potential and more likely to get a kill.

I would prefer the range 1 shot with the range 2 stress.

It does seem to be a loophole, however I'm guessing if they clarify for this type of situation they would say you get the range 1 attack and no tactician.

Besides, what would you rather have anyways, a range 1 shot, or a range 2 shot with stress? I'll take the range 1 shot any day. Means more damage potential and more likely to get a kill.

I would prefer the range 1 shot with the range 2 stress.

We deal in the curious around here.

I sent another e-mail yesterday and got a response back this morning from Frank.

Hello Sergovan,

In response to your question:

Rule Question:

A YT-1300 with Tactician has a target, in its front arc at range 2 but out of arc at range 1, so the attack is done at range 1.

Would Tactician work on the target in question and give it a stress token?

No. Although part of the defender is inside of the firing arc at Range 2, since the closest point of the defender is outside of the YT-1300’s firing arc, the attack is considered “performing an attack against a ship outside of the attackers firing arc". Therefore Tactician does not trigger to assign the defender 1 stress token.

Thanks for asking,

Frank Brooks

Associate Creative Content Developer

Fantasy Flight Games

Well that was kind of an interesting answer. I would have bet on the Range 1 being the reason for Tactician not triggering. But it is actually considered outside the Arc.

So what if the situation was that the Range was 2 both inside and outside the Arc, but the closest point is outside the arc? Is the attack still considered outside the Arc?

I sent another e-mail yesterday and got a response back this morning from Frank.

Hello Sergovan,

In response to your question:

Rule Question:

A YT-1300 with Tactician has a target, in its front arc at range 2 but out of arc at range 1, so the attack is done at range 1.

Would Tactician work on the target in question and give it a stress token?

No. Although part of the defender is inside of the firing arc at Range 2, since the closest point of the defender is outside of the YT-1300’s firing arc, the attack is considered “performing an attack against a ship outside of the attackers firing arc". Therefore Tactician does not trigger to assign the defender 1 stress token.

Thanks for asking,

Frank Brooks

Associate Creative Content Developer

Fantasy Flight Games

Now for a new question based on how this is worded.

If the closest point is out of arc(but the base still appears in arc), but still at range 2, the attack is out of arc and tacticion doesn't trigger. Or at least that's my guess.

Well that was kind of an interesting answer. I would have bet on the Range 1 being the reason for Tactician not triggering. But it is actually considered outside the Arc.

So what if the situation was that the Range was 2 both inside and outside the Arc, but the closest point is outside the arc? Is the attack still considered outside the Arc?

According to Frank's answer, closest point takes priority over arc, therefore with the closest point, although still being range 2, but out of arc, I would say Tactician doesn't trigger. Range measuring rules on page 10 seem to support this also.

28/7 And just cleared up in the latest FAQ.