Yes, we all have our gripes with the prequels. Terrible acting, terrible dialog, Jar Jar... But can we all really deny the awesomeness of the starfighter combat and epic battle scenes? I feel like we can expand this game to an entirely new (and broader) player base that is younger and more familiar with the prequels if we can bring in ships from the prequels. I was thinking we should, as a community, design the stats for a hypothetical Wave 1 release. Here are the ships I feel would represent the first wave of prequel ships well:

Republic

-Naboo N1 Starfighter

-ARC-170 Starfighter

CIS

-Droid Starfighter

-Droid Tri-fighter

I'd like to keep the discussion as close to brainstorming as possible, such as designing stat cards, maneuver dials, new mechanics, etc. Other recommendations for the first wave are always welcome and I can't wait to see what we all have in mind and come up with in this collaboration.

Have fun!

Can. O. Worms.

Remember, you asked for it.

I thought about replying with a good answer, then I had to delete what I wrote because I could feel myself giving in to the dark side.

Were I to design it I would drop the Arc-170 from the discussion as it should have been the Z-95 headhunter. Also the Y-wing would have been their bomber of choice. That being said, they'd have different stats due to lower tech being balanced against other lower tech things.

I'm not sure how much lower the tech actually was. It has always seemed to me that the Star Wars universe had plateau'd to a certain extant. Add to that the fact that innovation tends to be lower during times of oppression and discrimination, both of which exist in spades from the end of the clone wars on. Most of the real innovations came late in to the GCW as both sides started re-evaluating the theatre of war. Most of the earlier designs seem more like repurposing of tech for new roles then innovation.

That said, I do feel like if the Naboo starfighter gets made, it ought to come later. Sure, it was big in the first movie, but not that crucial to the clone wars. The Z95, Y-Wing, or either of the Jedi Fighters are better choices, methinks, as they played far greater roles in the war. I think the Jedi fighters could be neat design space, as realistically neither should have generic pilots.

I feel like we'll run out of ships quickly, but this could still be fun.

I vote no to this thread, I don't want FFG thinking this is a good idea. Jar jar crew card can't ever exist, even on April fool's day.

Imperial EU had droid controlled ties thats whats up.

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Here is my design for prequel wave 1:

Rebels:

Nope.

Hell no.

Empire:

You're joking right?

Not a chance.

I vote no to this thread, I don't want FFG thinking this is a good idea. Jar jar crew card can't ever exist, even on April fool's day.

Imperial EU had droid controlled ties thats whats up.

Thankfully Jar Jar was never involved in any space combat so you should be safe (excluding April Fool jokes).

As to the idea, The N-1 is probably a poor choice for wave 1. They never fought alongside any other ships so it doesn't make a lot of sense to have it in the wave 1 releases. The Y-Wing, V-19 Torrent or Jedi Starfighter would probably make a better choice for an initial wave release. The N-1 would be more suitable for wave 2 or 3.

For the CIS there are enough options to cover three waves easily and the two you have picked make the most sense for a wave 1 release I would think.

As to the idea, The N-1 is probably a poor choice for wave 1. They never fought alongside any other ships so it doesn't make a lot of sense to have it in the wave 1 releases. The Y-Wing, V-19 Torrent or Jedi Starfighter would probably make a better choice for an initial wave release. The N-1 would be more suitable for wave 2 or 3.

That's true, I like the idea of maybe the Delta-7 as one of the more iconic ships to include in a first wave. An N-1 might go great with a large ship release of the J-Type or J-Type Barge. I think the droids/CIS are also well set, especially with other options outside of droids such as the Sith Infiltrator and the Belbullab-22.

As for everyone else being a representative for FFG, I think it would be a great idea business-wise. It's not like all of you are going to dump your OT collections and quit X-Wing if they do decide to come out with a prequel series.

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bebop music

Bebop had the best soundtrack in anime to date.

Bebop had the best soundtrack to date.

FTFY

I own all of the OSTs on CD.

Bebop had the best soundtrack to date.

FTFY

I own all of the OSTs on CD.

I prefer her Macross Plus stuff but that's more just personal taste.

Every once in a while some fan of the prequels suggests FFG should release prequel ships. Most players seem to disagree.

The Naboo starfighter was used by 'little Annie'. And since he/it is an abomination to all that is holy and unholy (even Satan hates him/it) that person/thing shall be forgotten, along with just about everything associated with him/it.

Start here:

And then add all the NO to this thread

Or folks could just not post in a thread they aren't interested in.

I get that folks didn't enjoy the flicks, but the guy wanted to foster some design discussion, what is the harm in letting it flow?

I think the Jedi fighters could be a good chance to put 4 agility on something.

Let's not and say we didn't.

1000 years from now nations will wage holy wars against one another over the "proper" interpretation of the Star Wars movies.

Hopefully my descendants will all be amongst the camp that believes the prequel movie should be striken from the timeline. (That's the proper and winning side of course!)

I won't be dumping my X-wing minis if and when they do prequel stuff. But I will be cutting off all the stems and hanging them up on the ceiling as decoration so they will never be used as game pieces again.

Why do we post in these threads that we 'aren't interested in?' It is probably because we are VERY interested- in keeping the game as it is.

If there're isn't a swift and violent reaction to talk of adding prequel ships to X-Wing it could happen.

The price (aside from the toll on our wallets) for the game as it should be is eternal vigilance!

my wave1:

I'm generally in the 'NO!' camp, but I find this next bit an interesting discussion starter. (I'm totally game if you want to start that in a new thread. In the meantime, I'll help you hijack this one. )

I'm not sure how much lower the tech actually was. It has always seemed to me that the Star Wars universe had plateau'd to a certain extant. Add to that the fact that innovation tends to be lower during times of oppression and discrimination, both of which exist in spades from the end of the clone wars on. Most of the real innovations came late in to the GCW as both sides started re-evaluating the theatre of war. Most of the earlier designs seem more like repurposing of tech for new roles then innovation.

I think you're right that the two decades between the Clone Wars and the Galactic Republic did see a stalling out of technology, for precisely the big-picture reasons that you mention.

There's also the factor (I imagine) of the Empire switching from quality to quantity. In order to create the image of the unfathomably powerful Empire, which can present a domineering presence in an entire Galaxy (despite ignoring most of the Outer Rim), you need lots of stuff, and you're more concerned about the image than you are the quality. Also, the Empire would have limited resources in that it's command-economy regime would not exactly be one that stimulated economic growth (except in cyclical recessions).

Wave one, would, of course, be Naboo Starfighters and Droid fighters, that's a no brainer! LOL

Plus some of those all chrome ships that look so smooth.

You guys are actually a little depressing, you know that?

My intention in creating this thread was to see the community collaborate and bring new ideas to the game, such as new mechanics or abilities, with what the prequels offer. I would think that it would encourage open design space for people who love X-Wing and bring that into a prequel game for newer gamers who grew up with the prequels to enjoy. X-Wing has provided us with a gaming template we can use as a community to help design a different, or even compatible, game for other players to enjoy. I was hoping that expanding the player base and bridging the SW generation gap would be something fun for us all to do.

And even if this thread is met with immediate disapproval and lament at the suggestion of the prequels, I won't give up hope that it will bring out some ideas for us to share and craft together for a new game or expansion that would be fun for us to (in theory) play. I understand the elitism and relentless dedication to the original trilogy, but I only ask that we keep open minds when it comes to designing a game meant for fun and flavor and cool little plastic ships blowing each other up or dodging lasers with every dice roll.

There are some topics already on this forum you may like to look at:

http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/92879-vulture-droidor-picking-over-a-dead-horse/?hl=%2Bnaboo+%2Bfighter

A good one on the Naboo fighter:

http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/92707-my-n-1-starfighter-cards-i-made/