Ugh...jeez =/

The Fei Long deck I've posted is a rough draft, and is sheerly aggro. If I actually went through with it? Well, I wouldn't use Fei Long; I think pokes don't work without damage pumps, as I've said numerous times throughout this thread. Why? Because while you're busy thinking a bunch of weenies will overwhelm their defenses, it's the opposite; BIG attacks overwhelm defenses, which is why speed pumps are important. The problem with speed pumps? Discard is simply a better solution. While speed pumps MIGHT go through their hand, discard DOES go through their hand, which to me, basically means speed pumps are all of about worthless. It's pretty much the reason why the only speed pump we've ever truly cared about was Unrequited; that thing generally gave attacks +4-8 speed at the cost of just committing itself, and at 1 difficulty too.

But that was a lot of off-topic rambling...

Any problems Fei or Taki have with Olcadan's, Chinese Boxing, Exp Comb, any Order BS, Ivy will have too, as the three of them all have symbols in common.

More often than not, I've found my opponent picking their poison with Olcadan's, not screwing me over. What's more, I don't understand why you guys are dissing Blinding Rage. If they destroy anything I have, should I so happen to have another copy (and statistically, I will), I get it. Blinding Rage is one of the best Olc counters around because it's static, and thus isn't so easily-foiled like Makai.

Shooting Capoera gets around Order control. If they used their Order piece to tap Capoera, then there you go, my pieces are safe. But, you're right, what if they commit other things? That's why my deck runs plenty of Stun attacks, to attempt to overwhelm their gray area before they get an immense chance, at least at using Chinese.

I know the deck is missing stuff. Again, if it were an actual competitive deck, there'd likely be some Chinese of my own, and likely some Chester's, and who knows, I might just find some room. I made the deck to not only exploit Flash of the Blades, but to demonstrate how Fei Long finally has use.

I've already stated that I hate any deck that runs off of Feline's symbols, because in my opinion, almost any deck that runs primarily off of Feline's symbols SHOULD be running Feline, and I have an unfortunate history of statistics I'm going off of. However, having the Air symbol is a gigantic advantage Taki and Fei have over Ivy. All three have All, which appear ot be Ivy's most popular symbol.

The debate is "Is Ivy better than Taki/Fei Long", not "are Taki and Fei Long any good?" That much is debatable. Personally, I think Taki is the only one of the three with any real-word purpose, but with all the card draw her symbols have, it's any debate whether Taki is of too much use herself.

I still remain situated that Taki and Fei are better than Ivy, and I also remain confident that weenies do not work without damage pumps.

so... if Ivy tops a major event or two can we safely assume you have your shoe in your mouth?

quarzark said:

If Ivy tops a major event running weenies, all I can say is this,

"Congrats to the Ivy player for doing well with weenies."

Now if said Ivy player places highly and there is noticable competition by Fei Long and Taki, THEN I might be screwed...

but seeing as how nobody will ever use Fei or Taki, I can still retain my opinion that Ivy is not in the same league as Fei or Taki.

MarcoPulleaux said:

Hmmm this has me tempted to make my friends run Taki and fei long for the helston regionals =)

Secondly, guys this thread is supposed to be helping me and others who like Ivy help to become Viable which is hwo the thread originally began and now has degraded =( Not a happy face.

Let's keep it cool please.

Anybody want to help me?!!!!!!

Cheers

Hanzo

P.S Because I forgot, My Ivy void decks win-loss yield is 6-9 ((6 wins and 9 losses) which means it's roughly 30 something % win against other deck archetypes.

P.SS Also Can we PLEASE not just assume Ivy only works off of pure weenies. This is false. In most situations it will not matter much if you pump your weenies because then you can follow up with another attack and draw 2 cards ( If it's even needed.)

Raging Gnome is a great card in Ivy. Although i'll agree on Shinji's point Hilt is just as good actually. Oh and don't be afraid to have your attacks have more than 3 base damage just so long as it isn't more than 6 (See kurzyu reppa in my deck.)

MarcoPulleaux said:

Bloodrunstrue said:

The problem is that the Taki has to be ran off Weenies, which would make her comprable to Ivy. If you don't, which would be the smarter thing, you're not even comparing apples with oranges at that point...

Anyways, maybe you should consider running Demon's Scourge and trying to abuse the Hell out of Howling Spirits and perhaps some of Basara's stuff. Who knows, it might work?

MarcoPulleaux said:

Ok, Ok I get your point Shinji let's move on.

Regarding Demon' scourge with howling spirits I'll try it but in honesty as soon as they know they've got to block it i'd better have jivatma's cards awaiting =P

Secondly until now I thought Switching weapon styles was utter garbage... boy was I wrong!

Anyone?

Path of the Master. Since you're likely going to be running a chain of pokes anyways, it can turn any one of your last few attacks into a finisher, especially if they're silly enough to empty their hand when it's on the field...and there are ways to ensure that happens.

dshaffer said:

OR if I discard it with Jivatma's cards. Thankyou for the advice Dude, the only problem is actually getting Path of the masters =/

My life build of Ivy is half complete for those taht are stil waiting and I now have the results from my 2 test matches against my Hanzo build that came 3rd at regionals.

IVy Vs. Hanzo 4-2 to Hanzo P ( Both matches were 2-1 to Hanzo.

Comments:

Ivy had the ability to completely forego Hanzo's wall of grey and push in for the stringed kill using SWS, K reppa, cross' madness and Gnomes.

I was impressed I thought it was going to be another ass-walloping for the little prossy. =) Ivy suffered from being attacked with the loop because when Hanny's kill turn came around she had no way tos top it so I can highlight a new falw in Ivy. She has parctically no defense even when she draws a plethora of cards. it amkes no difference to Bitter rivals.

So now Ivy's win percentage is somewhere near 25% ( 8 game wins - 11 game losses)

Cheers

Hanzo