Ships broken off pegs. Either bring extra pegs and mounts or use RE Magnets on your ships. Broken stuff should be expected in ANY event using minis. Mid-game breakage...s$&t happens. But it should be repaired between rounds.

Damage decks: Use a sharpie pen to put your initials on each card. As long as its the same initials on the same part of each card (ABC on the lower left corner for example) no one can complain about marked cards.

The mis-built turn counter. Did that with my Starter set when I didn't know/realize/understand that each ship type has a different counter (X-Wing had a TIE dial). An easy mistake for a newb...but a serious issue for a Tourny Player.

Newbs in a Tourny. Yep, it happens. Its also how newbs learn and grow. +1 Sports for using what will be an easy win into a learning experience for the newb

Note to Newbs: You are expected to bring EVERYTHING you will need/use with you...including an understanding of the rules. Until then, stay away from Events. In a Tourny setting, their is no requirement for an opponent to allow you to make up forgotten moves or let you know of mistakes you are making (beyond mistakes in rules). Or even to share templates (forgot your 2-bank template...guess what move your not making anymore).

TFG: Yep. Each game system and Event seems to attract him. The one with an apparent allergy to soap and deodorant. The guy who can't win without rubbing his opponents nose in it. The one who whines about slow-playing...until he does it himself.

Yep. TFG. Eventually their reputation precedes them and the banning commences. It's up to the community of players to police themselves and decide where that boundary lays.

Finally...it's a game. Life is always more important. The Dice Gods are fickle. Be magnanimous in victory and humble in defeat.

Coming from other games, I always felt that a specific damage deck was really really weird. Also the intensely specific rules about each player having one deck. Especially since most of the cards are dealt face down.

They probably should b numbered but shuffling in the midst of the battles is pretty time consuming. Also felt I weird that the games would usually go to time instead of bring played out. Just feels funny

I have never had a game go to time that I am playing in. Blail, this is in no way directed towards you but rather the community. If you find you can never finish games in the allotted time it is your own fault! You may be squeaking out full wins and modified wins but your are playing a inefficient squad. The build you sit down at the kitchen table may be unbeaten in your 2 hour games but that does not mean you should bring it to a timed tournament. The goal at a tournament is to win in the given time. One thing I hated about the rule change was the points difference needed for a full win. We can all see the results as Swarms rule in that format.

Coming from other games, I always felt that a specific damage deck was really really weird. Also the intensely specific rules about each player having one deck. Especially since most of the cards are dealt face down.

They probably should b numbered but shuffling in the midst of the battles is pretty time consuming. Also felt I weird that the games would usually go to time instead of bring played out. Just feels funny

I have never had a game go to time that I am playing in. Blail, this is in no way directed towards you but rather the community. If you find you can never finish games in the allotted time it is your own fault! You may be squeaking out full wins and modified wins but your are playing a inefficient squad. The build you sit down at the kitchen table may be unbeaten in your 2 hour games but that does not mean you should bring it to a timed tournament. The goal at a tournament is to win in the given time. One thing I hated about the rule change was the points difference needed for a full win. We can all see the results as Swarms rule in that format.

Heck, I felt more like Swarms got shafted in the previous format. Just having 1 Swarm vs Swarm matchup could mean the modified win that cost you getting to the final tables. Sometimes it didnt matter if you were the better player. It's more like, Swarms are just a really good (too good) squad, and the 33pt full win rule was holding FFG back from seeing they needed to do something about it, hence Wave 4 working to change some of this around. Though, i do see where you are coming from, and could foresee a change in the rules again, maybe to 21 pts or something more between 12 and 33.

Silly thing though, since the new rule, I have not been in a situation where I didn't win a Swiss round by less than 33 pts. But during Store Champ season, I had one tournament where I got 3 modified wins all between 12 and 33 pt differences, for second place.

The most bizarre I've seen in X-wing tournaments was a player that never used both hands for moving his ships. This obviously led to poor placements and bad precision so I started moving them for him whenever I had the chance (IE when they were deep on my side of the table).

The most bizarre person I've ever met on a tournament (Warhammer) was a guy that didn't know how to or couldn't pronounce dreadnought, came out something like drechnoch and he had the most intense smell that I have ever felt. It was quite frankly not a smell any more but an aura that assaulted my nose as if I had smelled pure ammonia. Disgusting.

Looks like an Orc snuck into the tournament somehow...

Some folks had truly great sportsmanship . One guy in particular I played even went so far as to allow me to attack one of his ships after the turn was over, after I had actually forgotten to declare that last attack . We had already started doing the next round's movement dials. (It was the last round of the tournament so I was tired and wonky). I said "Dude you don't have to do that", and his reply was awesome... he said "If I beat you, I want to beat you at your best". He won that match and played like a champion.

New Players - I had some people who were either new - or just inexperienced. I'll admit it was a breath of fresh air when someone has a Labda shuttle with Vader Crew - and they got my falcon down to 1 hull left.... and FORGOT to use Vader's ability!!!!! Whew! In a casual game I would probably remind them but not in a tournament!

Hmm....

Yup I am not quite as good a sport as the first guy. Not to say I'm a bad sport - but I am not going to go so far as to remind people to use abilities. The other guy was like... above and beyond - WHICH was why I called out his extreme awesomeness.

Well, I'm not going to say that you we're in your right to let your opponent forget his action. Obviously you were, and your opponent should have been paying more attention.

At the same time, what sort of game do you want to have? Maybe the stakes at the tournament were so high (for you) that they overshadowed the awesomeness of doing what your previous opponent had done for you.

At the same time, while I'm not a religious or over-superstitious person, you do have to realize that you were operating at a net-karma value of -1.

If the dice screw you over; you had it coming.

well the casual touarnamanets in ma shop the 8-10 players are all in this sportsman ship level we do care about the rules at all but we want to have fun and celebrate the game well i havent a bad touarnement issue so far ;P. but ive heard and read that those ppl do exist that do everything to win the game, but that alone proves me that they are not man enough to fight it out to the very last ship on the battlefield

I had always wondered why the broken ship thing was a rule. Is it just to make sure when you play a squad you actually own each ship you are going to be playing with?

I was at that tourny, (AABBB) The guy in the red collar shirt. I thought it all went pretty well for my first regional (3rd tourny overall)

well the casual touarnamanets in ma shop the 8-10 players are all in this sportsman ship level we do care about the rules at all but we want to have fun and celebrate the game well i havent a bad touarnement issue so far ;P. but ive heard and read that those ppl do exist that do everything to win the game, but that alone proves me that they are not man enough to fight it out to the very last ship on the battlefield

In a smaller scene it just seems people are more friendly and polite.

Once you get so many people just become selfish and dicks.

Really I don't know what id do if I come across one of these people who become total jerks.

I'm pretty easy to get along with but if I see something that is just uncalled for is a real pet pev. I don't think I'd keep my mouth shut. One of my faults

Awesome to see the report from the Coliseum. I spent three weeks (my vacation) in Kissimee (did the Disney Parks with the family) a little over a month ago. While I was there I played in the store's monthly tournament (brought my little plastic ships with me across the Atlantic, and they rewarded me by allowing me to actually win the monthly tournament) and got to play and chat alot with Tim Wright, the Regional TO.

Awseome experience.

I have been frequenting the Coliseum in Kissimmee for almost 15 years and even help them run events. Tim is a great guy with years of gaming knowledge.

I skipped out on the tournament yesterday for three reasons:

1. I expected a large number of "super serious" players and have never had fun playing them.

2. I don't feel that my skills, combined with the lists I run, would perform well in this kind of tournament.

3. If I did happen to win, I would no have been able to go to nationals (or whatever tournament you go to after regionals).

I had always wondered why the broken ship thing was a rule. Is it just to make sure when you play a squad you actually own each ship you are going to be playing with?

I think a fraction of the rule could lean towards this. It may also lean toward uniformity. Seeing an X-Wing on top of the peg gives you a quick visual clue as to what the ship is. Once the visual clue is gone the game can tend to slow down as you have to have a closer look to confirm what is there.

The updated rules for tournament play state that if your opponent is doing things to rush you they can be disqualified. To me that is poor sportsmanship. But conversely, players need to keep a pace of play as well.

I played in a couple of regionals (got 1st and 2nd) and have reminded opponents to use abilities or things they were about to forget. I even played a guy who turned Kath the wrong way and flew off the table when it was obvious it was meant to be the other way and told him he could move it the other direction. I want to play some games. Winning because of honest mistakes is not why I play.

I did play 2 games first round and last round) vs a player I will never play again because of cheating even after being pulled up on it and how painful he made the games. It was not fun to hear someone complain constantly about how my list is tailored to kill his (he flew Tie Swarm which he wrote the list on the day after seeing what everyone else was taking) and how he should just conceed.

I played in some local comps and forget fire control systems 9 out of 10 times but don't expect to be reminded. I have remembered in between turns and told I could take the TL but I always decline.

This game is way to fun to play to seriously.

Ships broken off pegs. Either bring extra pegs and mounts or use RE Magnets on your ships. Broken stuff should be expected in ANY event using minis. Mid-game breakage...s$&t happens. But it should be repaired between rounds.

Damage decks: Use a sharpie pen to put your initials on each card. As long as its the same initials on the same part of each card (ABC on the lower left corner for example) no one can complain about marked cards.

The mis-built turn counter. Did that with my Starter set when I didn't know/realize/understand that each ship type has a different counter (X-Wing had a TIE dial). An easy mistake for a newb...but a serious issue for a Tourny Player.

Newbs in a Tourny. Yep, it happens. Its also how newbs learn and grow. +1 Sports for using what will be an easy win into a learning experience for the newb

Note to Newbs: You are expected to bring EVERYTHING you will need/use with you... including an understanding of the rules. Until then, stay away from Events . In a Tourny setting, their is no requirement for an opponent to allow you to make up forgotten moves or let you know of mistakes you are making (beyond mistakes in rules). Or even to share templates (forgot your 2-bank template...guess what move your not making anymore).

TFG: Yep. Each game system and Event seems to attract him. The one with an apparent allergy to soap and deodorant. The guy who can't win without rubbing his opponents nose in it. The one who whines about slow-playing...until he does it himself.

Yep. TFG. Eventually their reputation precedes them and the banning commences. It's up to the community of players to police themselves and decide where that boundary lays.

Finally...it's a game. Life is always more important. The Dice Gods are fickle. Be magnanimous in victory and humble in defeat.

Im going to say you take this game way tooo serious but you also pretend that it doesnt matter to you. You maam are fickle who doesnt know all the rules either, therefore you should stay away from tournys.

I love seeing new people playing at tournys, and Im very happy to correct them on rules and although Im not happy to enforce a bad dial, I still do it. (example: he didnt know the dial direction followed the way your ship was facing, not you).

If your new, and you make a major rules mistake, I will correct you. If you argue about it, you will be embarrassed by your arrogance and or ignorance. Most people at that point will submit to any rules in question, but there are still people who argue just to argue.

Now if I traveled a long ways and lost my 2 bank, I would just ask we share 1 set of movement templates for the game for accuracy sake and wouldnt mention I forgot my 2 bank.

The updated rules for tournament play state that if your opponent is doing things to rush you they can be disqualified. To me that is poor sportsmanship. But conversely, players need to keep a pace of play as well.

I tend to make my opponent rush because Im just a fast player. (2 games ever came down to time, including one where slow play was intentional, the other was against Khyros). I dont tell my opponent to hurry up, or try to ask him who he wants to shoot at before he takes his last action. I simply put down all my dials, and then start pacing, or talking to a friend, check the time, watch the game next to me, comment on life. I actually made a guy rage quit from a tourny by setting all of my dials down before he had his first one done. (I was running a swarm). I had all my dials set before he set his first one. then he simply tried to hurry up and move and made one massive cluster of nastiness and threw in the towel before I could show him every single one of my guys would have a shot, and none of his would have

This game is way to fun to play to seriously.

I get hung up on the term "serious". Perhaps we take different meanings from it. I do consider myself a serious gamer in X-Wing. I am playing to win, always. From the sounds of it you encountered a D**K who happens to be serious as well. Don't let the fact that he was serious overshadow the fact he is a D**K first.

I couldn't agree more the game is way fun to play. You elude that if played seriously it's not fun. It is fun for me to play serious, in all honesty that is when I'm having the most fun. I do not make attempts to ruin your fun while I am trying to win. I look at my loses as a learning experience to find the mistakes I've made. I love having conversations on tactics, squads and the meta. I commonly cheer on my opponents after we have met for battle ( it does help my S.O.S. After all). After the match is over and we have shanked hands I love to talk to them win or lose. Either a just to get to know people or of the different parts of the match. I love to share my secrets on positioning and how I can tell exactly where a ship will land. I often help explain how I see these positions so to better their game, only if They are open to it of corse.

I was at the CoC regional. Mistakes were made all over the place me included. First off when I am nervous I make a lot of mistakes. I was so nervous I had nervous poop 3 times, once before I went to sleep, once before I left, and once I got there an hour and a half later. I cooled down once I won the first game.

In one game on the last turn where I couldn't loose I forgot to take a focus action for my hawk. Tie fighter shoots it at r 3 one hit. Of course I roll 2 blanks and an eyeball. Go from full win to modified win by 1 point. I was so flustered by that I tallied up the points wrong and was about to report a draw. Do realize my error till in line.

I went 3 and 2 but I lucked out that all my games were played with good sportsmanship. I did play next to some of those incidents mentioned above, the girl that almost cried, the kid who forgot the damage deck.

One thing to note though get 50 people crammed into tight space the funk becomes one communal funk. It was so hot in there be the end I felt a ran a 3k.

This game is way to fun to play to seriously.

I get hung up on the term "serious". Perhaps we take different meanings from it. I do consider myself a serious gamer in X-Wing. I am playing to win, always. From the sounds of it you encountered a D**K who happens to be serious as well. Don't let the fact that he was serious overshadow the fact he is a D**K first.

I couldn't agree more the game is way fun to play. You elude that if played seriously it's not fun. It is fun for me to play serious, in all honesty that is when I'm having the most fun. I do not make attempts to ruin your fun while I am trying to win. I look at my loses as a learning experience to find the mistakes I've made. I love having conversations on tactics, squads and the meta. I commonly cheer on my opponents after we have met for battle ( it does help my S.O.S. After all). After the match is over and we have shanked hands I love to talk to them win or lose. Either a just to get to know people or of the different parts of the match. I love to share my secrets on positioning and how I can tell exactly where a ship will land. I often help explain how I see these positions so to better their game, only if They are open to it of corse.

QFT! I cant like this enough

This game is way to fun to play to seriously.

I get hung up on the term "serious". Perhaps we take different meanings from it. I do consider myself a serious gamer in X-Wing. I am playing to win, always. From the sounds of it you encountered a D**K who happens to be serious as well. Don't let the fact that he was serious overshadow the fact he is a D**K first.

I couldn't agree more the game is way fun to play. You elude that if played seriously it's not fun. It is fun for me to play serious, in all honesty that is when I'm having the most fun. I do not make attempts to ruin your fun while I am trying to win. I look at my loses as a learning experience to find the mistakes I've made. I love having conversations on tactics, squads and the meta. I commonly cheer on my opponents after we have met for battle ( it does help my S.O.S. After all). After the match is over and we have shanked hands I love to talk to them win or lose. Either a just to get to know people or of the different parts of the match. I love to share my secrets on positioning and how I can tell exactly where a ship will land. I often help explain how I see these positions so to better their game, only if They are open to it of corse.

I think playing seriously is fun and I do enjoy and agree with all you said. If someone needs to or trys to cheat to win a game then I believe they are taking it too seriously. Like they bet the house and kids on winning. I am at a loss for a better way to describe it but it did come across wrong.

This game is way to fun to play to seriously.

I get hung up on the term "serious". Perhaps we take different meanings from it. I do consider myself a serious gamer in X-Wing. I am playing to win, always. From the sounds of it you encountered a D**K who happens to be serious as well. Don't let the fact that he was serious overshadow the fact he is a D**K first.

I couldn't agree more the game is way fun to play. You elude that if played seriously it's not fun. It is fun for me to play serious, in all honesty that is when I'm having the most fun. I do not make attempts to ruin your fun while I am trying to win. I look at my loses as a learning experience to find the mistakes I've made. I love having conversations on tactics, squads and the meta. I commonly cheer on my opponents after we have met for battle ( it does help my S.O.S. After all). After the match is over and we have shanked hands I love to talk to them win or lose. Either a just to get to know people or of the different parts of the match. I love to share my secrets on positioning and how I can tell exactly where a ship will land. I often help explain how I see these positions so to better their game, only if They are open to it of corse.

I think playing seriously is fun and I do enjoy and agree with all you said. If someone needs to or trys to cheat to win a game then I believe they are taking it too seriously. Like they bet the house and kids on winning. I am at a loss for a better way to describe it but it did come across wrong.

I'm glad you saw this as me making a point and not attacking you. It sometimes is hard to make a point with out the forum flames going crazy. I would think we both agree there is a special place in Hell for anyone who would cheat to win

This game is way to fun to play to seriously.

I get hung up on the term "serious". Perhaps we take different meanings from it. I do consider myself a serious gamer in X-Wing. I am playing to win, always. From the sounds of it you encountered a D**K who happens to be serious as well. Don't let the fact that he was serious overshadow the fact he is a D**K first.

I couldn't agree more the game is way fun to play. You elude that if played seriously it's not fun. It is fun for me to play serious, in all honesty that is when I'm having the most fun. I do not make attempts to ruin your fun while I am trying to win. I look at my loses as a learning experience to find the mistakes I've made. I love having conversations on tactics, squads and the meta. I commonly cheer on my opponents after we have met for battle ( it does help my S.O.S. After all). After the match is over and we have shanked hands I love to talk to them win or lose. Either a just to get to know people or of the different parts of the match. I love to share my secrets on positioning and how I can tell exactly where a ship will land. I often help explain how I see these positions so to better their game, only if They are open to it of corse.

You, sir, are the ideal opponent.

This game is way to fun to play to seriously.

I get hung up on the term "serious". Perhaps we take different meanings from it. I do consider myself a serious gamer in X-Wing. I am playing to win, always. From the sounds of it you encountered a D**K who happens to be serious as well. Don't let the fact that he was serious overshadow the fact he is a D**K first.

I'm fairly certain that by 'serious' he's referring to people being so caught up in the competition that their '****'-ness comes out. Of course, if they start out as a **** (really, is it such a horrid word that it requires asterisks?) then the turn to the **** side is all the easier.

I like to think that I'm pure pleasure to play with. I will remind you of your forgotten actions, and I do not expect the same reminders from you (but I will love you if you are lenient). If you do an amazing maneuver, or make an amazing shot, I will cheer you on.

I do think that if I was lenient to you, you have somewhat of a moral obligation not to be a **** when I do something obviously demented, and it is not a major intervention to let me do my non-demented thing. However, I will not ask to do it. I will just hope that you'll let me do it without me asking - because that's what I would do for you. 'Same goes with asteroids and firing arcs.

I don't care if it's a tournament or a casual game. A game is still a game. The swag at these events ain't worth more than the bragging rights, and if you won by cut-throat rules lawyering and denying any leniency - then those bragging rights are pretty slim in my book.

If i was DQed for not having a ship on a peg because it broke during the turn i know a store that would never get another dollar from me. And quite possibly a company

Like I said a hard decision but the rules are the rules. DQing a player during the match in which the ship was damaged is where I could see a grey area. Once that match is over you have a chance to correct the problem. If we were playing in the same tournament I would be happy to lend you a ship to continue and I'm sure there are many in the community that would.

Seriously? DQing someone because their ship broke mid-tournament? That's just way too harsh...

I had always wondered why the broken ship thing was a rule. Is it just to make sure when you play a squad you actually own each ship you are going to be playing with?

I think so otherwise people would just be flying the bases around as long as they had their cardboard tile, and probably buying half the amount of ships (or fewer theoretically one could run 3 X-wings from the core set, if all that was needed was a base + tile and not a ship), That is probably some extreme cases only and would also be in the no proxy rule for tournaments too i think

I had always wondered why the broken ship thing was a rule. Is it just to make sure when you play a squad you actually own each ship you are going to be playing with?

I think so otherwise people would just be flying the bases around as long as they had their cardboard tile, and probably buying half the amount of ships (or fewer theoretically one could run 3 X-wings from the core set, if all that was needed was a base + tile and not a ship), That is probably some extreme cases only and would also be in the no proxy rule for tournaments too i think

I think there's a clear difference between someone who showed up at a tournament, only to have his miniatures broken mid-tournament, and someone flying empty bases. Just as there's a difference between a slippery slope and reductio ad absurdum .

Besides - how did those miniatures get broken? Can I prevent a prospective loss by breaking my opponent's miniatures when he's not looking and no one sees me do it? (See, I can do absurdam too! )

I for one play to have fun and I can have that even when I'm not winning. Of course I try to concentrate and do my best and of course I'm happy when that leads to a win but fun can also be had if you lose. I went to one tourney where I wanted to try out a Bomber list I had spend some time designing and I lost every single game there. Despite of that it was great fun with some very nice players and I learned a lot about my list and how I can improve it so I counted that event as a success too. It's a game and in my opinion games are played - not fought.

I also have to say that here in Germany almost all players I've met so far were really nice people and a huge part of what makes me come to tournaments is the friendly atmosphere. I like it when people are helping each other out and share advice and insights during conversations outside of the matches. When I went to my first event and was a bit nervous most opponents helped me by pointing out when I had forgotten something and that's what I do too. Just had that situation again at Imdaar Alpha where one of my opponents was a relatively new player who went to his first event and didn't know everything a more seasoned player would know. So I helped him a bit and could see how surprised and grateful he was about that. When he had forgotten the same thing for the third time I said with a smile that this would be the last time I'd remind him and he declined my offer to correct his mistake because he thought that went to far and that I had helped him enough already. That's what I call sportsmanship and I'm sure that the guy had a great time and will come back for another event like I did when I made the same experience. What goes around comes around.