Lamda and Decimator in particular just seem silly when gaining the ability to barrel roll.

YT and Firespray are a little less silly but still it's pretty outrageous.

Having a barrel roll on the 2400 would be enough and make it even more special if the other large base ships couldn't do a barrel roll.

Since you get a stress token for using it if you don't have a BR action, no I'd say it's fine as is.

Fine as is.

nope! This is space.

I almost don't see why a star destroyer wouldn't be able to barrel roll outside of it definitely going off board and you losing the points.

and the 2400 is still going to be super special, chill.

That would make Kath and Fet way less useful...and the YT's less fun. Just make sure your opponent is taking his stress as he should when he's schooling you with it.

Lambda can't take EPT so you should not see one take Expert Handling.

It's harder to barrel roll with a big ship anyway, I think it's fine as is.

Yes it should have, I had the same idea. Small ships only tekst would be good and will let the engine upgrade have a chance again.

I still do not have a clue how to handle a YT in late game with a barrel roll option. It just feels so strong rolling out of line of sight, range or straight into a range one shot. For 2 points...dayum. The stress does not matter that much, it can decently ditch stress and barrelroll itself to safety again.

it does take your action, so that helps reduce the "advantage".

It might seem less silly if you consider Expert Handling as having the same effect as a barrel roll (in terms of final ship placement) without actually requiring a barrel roll-like activity to get there. "Wow, Captain, I wouldn't have thought that was possible without barrel-rolling. That's some expert handling!"

It might seem less silly if you consider Expert Handling as having the same effect as a barrel roll (in terms of final ship placement) without actually requiring a barrel roll-like activity to get there. "Wow, Captain, I wouldn't have thought that was possible without barrel-rolling. That's some expert handling!"

Sounds like more of a crazy juke now.

It might seem less silly if you consider Expert Handling as having the same effect as a barrel roll (in terms of final ship placement) without actually requiring a barrel roll-like activity to get there. "Wow, Captain, I wouldn't have thought that was possible without barrel-rolling. That's some expert handling!"

That's a good point. While they may be shifted 1L from where their template would have originally landed them, it isn't necessary that they literally barrel rolled to get there.

I think the barrel roll maneuver for large ships should shift them adjacent the original placement of the base, instead of one away from the placement. It would put the barrel roll for large ship more in line with barrel roll for small ships. I doubt it will happen, plus it would be difficult to execute with the maneuver templates.

nope! This is space. I almost don't see why a star destroyer wouldn't be able to barrel roll outside of it definitely going off board and you losing the points. and the 2400 is still going to be super special, chill.

This ^^ so much this.

You gotta remember that star wars has no idea how space physics work.

A good example would be to look up some of the spaceship battles from Babylon 5.

And for the record starfurrys would own x-wings :-D

I'm fine with it. FFG have just plain removed the EPT slot from the lumberers (see: Lambda), and ships like the Firespray are agile enough for it to make sense in my mind!

I would look up the science of space battles on youtube by SpreadingtheMuse. He has done a whole series on how science fiction has gotten wrong, and yes he does play crickets when showing a bunch of space battles.

nope! This is space.

I almost don't see why a star destroyer wouldn't be able to barrel roll outside of it definitely going off board and you losing the points.

and the 2400 is still going to be super special, chill.

Actually in the X-wing books, if the port shields were taken offline by a combined starfighter torpedo attack they would half-roll to bring the other side (with fully operation shields) to bear.

Short answer: NO.

Long answer: Heck NO.

I would look up the science of space battles on youtube by SpreadingtheMuse. He has done a whole series on how science fiction has gotten wrong,

Story first, physics a distant second. You're trying to tell a tale, to give an experience. Not writing a treatise on the technical details of a space battle. It's a rare writer that can match the two and come out on top. I remember only a few books where the physics were correct (the forever war perhaps?) but those stories treated the battles as unimportant backdrops against which the real story was painted. Take away the lasers and TIE fighter screams and replace them with projectile weapons and silence; you'd lose most of the atmosphere and tension.

I remember only a few books where the physics were correct

The Lost Fleet series did a pretty good job of it, I can't say how accurate it was, but he seemed to really try and make the battles fit into physics.

I like how ships in the Star Wars can universe can move through space in their way.

I like how ships in the rebooted Battlestar Galatica universe can move through space in their way.

I like how ships in the Star Trek universe can move through space in their way.

It's a game and a story, not an astrophysics lesson or graduate thesis.