So I had a weird one come up today.

I used Lorrir to roll left with the 1 bank template---curving back.

I did not fit in the spot, so it was not a legal move.

My opponent said that I had to complete the barrel roll with the template curved forward, because I could fit if I used it that way.

Is there a rule, or a consensus on that situation?

I think that if I did a regular roll, I would not be forced to do a banked one, as that would cause stress, but if I am already using the bank, do I have to turn it around?

thanks for the responses.

fly casual.

I think that if you declare a barrel roll action you have to specify a direction (left or right). If you plan to go left and cannot fit there then you could try right instead. Lorrir's ability allows him to do a curved bank but he can still do a regular bank as well. I would have no problem allowing him to try either direction and with either barrel roll template. If you declare a barrel roll action then that is what you should do, how you do it is up to you.

This one's not entirely clear by the competitive play rules. They do say that you declare barrel roll and direction and then you have to roll in that direction if you can. What isn't clear is how that interacts with Lorrir. Is each facing of the template considered a different direction or are there still only two directions in Left and Right. Personally, I'd rule left forward and left backward to be different directions if I were the TO, but I don't have a particular line I could point to in the rules to prove that. In casual play, the rules actually allow you to premeasure the barrel roll before committing to it at all.

I agree with dbmeboy, the most similar wituation in the game is a boost. It clearly tells gou to choose a template direction and treats them as different.

Not 100% clear without a FAQ, but thats how I'd rule it

I recall someone mentioning they asked the designer about this issue, and he said that Lorrir would have to also declare which type of roll he was doing (back-left, forward-right, etc.). That would imply that if you tried to use the curved template backwards and could not fit anywhere along it, you can cancel the BR and take a different action or declare a different roll, but would not be forced to switch a curved backwards one to curved forwards on the same side. Of course, until the FAQ is updated, we have no official ruling.

I'd agree, and the same thing goes for Echo when decloaking. I'd tend to rule that the template and direction are part of the action. So if you can't BR/Decloak backwards-left, you shouldn't have to try to do it forward-left.

And in general I think that's the community consensus. It's just not unanimous and somewhat short on proof so unlikely to be fully resolved until addressed by the FAQ.

I'll chime in and agree with the others. Left forward and left backward are different directions as far as the BR rules are concerned.

Thanks for the input guys, in my game I convinced my buddy that it was to different directions, and I will continue to play it that way. and also with echo when I get the phantom.

There's an email from one of the designers here: http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/108883-spending-the-decloack-token-decloaking/?p=1127917 that answers the question.

There's an email from one of the designers here: http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/108883-spending-the-decloack-token-decloaking/?p=1127917 that answers the question.

I was just going to reference that.