quarzark said:

There are two such pictures at base. However, shooping multiplies them. But seriously, if Waffle thought that was low he missed a couple of low shots that were infinitely better than this one.

Technically, doesn't Cage Arena in the mirror match give the first shot at using it to the player who -didn't- play it? It goes to the staging area, and the other player gets their turn then.

Homme Chapeau said:

Yeah, I've seen worse as well.

Cage Arena works in the mirror because a lot of opposing Hilde players simply forget about it.

They'll combo into this huge Lynx Tail, and watch as it goes to 1 because Cage reduces huge damage by huge speed.

If the player is smart enough to go Cage Arena first to get it out of the way, then they can't really utilize Lynx tail's reduction to the fullest, or they have to waste one of their limited Healer's to return to printed, and in a mirror match one of the first things you control is the opposing player's Healers. Some decks run the Tae Kwon Do Zephyr but it's honestly a dead drop in every match up.

And if things get really hairy, Assassination Arts comes in from the sideboard, and if that goes unchecked it WILL win the mirror match. As soon as they turn Hilde side ways, Assassination Arts makes that attack worthless.

Archimedes said:

If you want to make a repartee, just keep in mind your circumstances is all. Every thread I enter I come with no bias; read, respond, leave. I was curious as to the fact that you said Cage Arena would win you a mirror match, because that's paradoxical.

All I could've used was an explanation, not your common disdain.

"Cage Arena works in the mirror because a lot of opposing Hilde players simply forget about it.

They'll combo into this huge Lynx Tail, and watch as it goes to 1 because Cage reduces huge damage by huge speed.

If the player is smart enough to go Cage Arena first to get it out of the way, then they can't really utilize Lynx tail's reduction to the fullest, or they have to waste one of their limited Healer's to return to printed, and in a mirror match one of the first things you control is the opposing player's Healers. Some decks run the Tae Kwon Do Zephyr but it's honestly a dead drop in every match up."

Found it.

"Every thread I enter I come with no bias..."

Come now Shinji, you and I both know this is a load of bollocks.

Archimedes said:

Not at all, and I think you wouldn't want to derail your own thread for personal arguments

When I enter a thread, my first goal is to look at the topic, and if it's intriguing enough, maybe read some responses.

Everybody is treated a nonentity. Fair, unbiased, balanced.

If I ask a question, I'm expecting an answer, and nothing more.

Homme isn't the only one with irreverent wit =D.

He is if you're adding the "clever" qualifier to that statment. ;D

I understood and agreed with Arch before he even explained the Cage Arena mirror bit, btw. You force the opponent into a no-win situation more often than not, particularly because their deck isn't necessarily built with Cage Arena in mind (otherwise they'd be using their own, no?). Hence they forget it more often than not. And on your attacks, it's often better to allow them to get the first crack at CA, simply because they're committing a foundation to do your work for you. Whee.

Mind games and all that. And I'm done with this thread now, since we've established A) why it works well, and B) that Archy has nothing to be sorry for.

I like toitles

Also, that's pretty irresponsible on the opposing Hilde's side. The very fact that ANY terrain comes into play should get you at least somewhat interested.

MarcoPulleaux said:

not really, making mistakes is part of the tournament thing for whatever reason. Exhaustion, just plain boredom, it all gets to you somewhere. Heck, I lost top 8 at our regional cause I was so tired I miscounted my foundations.

quarzark said:

Well there's certainly nothing wrong with making mistakes or even being oblivious to things, but usually when you see a Terrain you look for how it can benefit you, seeing as how, as far as I'm aware, every Terrain around can benefit both players.

This is like that time that some card was missplayed by Omar. Rulings change and if no one in the event called a judge for clarification, then they have no say. If they did and the judge ruled in your favor, they also have no say. Quite simply, not your fault.

And I also like toitles.

Archimedes said:

I'm confused as to how Cage Arena wins the mirror match. Here's an example.

Hilde with Cage Arena is 2.

1: "I enhance with your Cage Arena for -3"

2: *pooches because he can't use it anymore for when the attack is a gajillion mid for a gajillion damage*

What you need to do is take out one of them for another Assassination Arts, which DOES win the mirror match.

You also mentioned:

"If the player is smart enough to go Cage Arena first to get it out of the way, then they can't really utilize Lynx tail's reduction to the fullest"

Which is also a pretty BOLD FACED LIE lol :-P, if you notice, Lynx Tail says that X may not be greater than 4? But it doesn't say that the reduction can't go below zero.

Cage Arena for -3, putting it at 1. Lynx Tail E for -4, putting it at -3 (reduction so far = 7) with +4 speed, -1 speed and -1 damage to put it at -4 damage (reduction so far = 8) and 6 speed, Healer to return to 4 damage, 6 speed low... Hilde to make it 20L22 which is enough to bring down a small elephant.

Cage Arena has a minimum, but Lynx Tail, Hilde, Dual Wielding, Amy's, Shadowar or Glazende Nova and Frischer Himmel or any or her support doesn't.

guitalex2008 said:

The card is amazing enough in not-mirror match as to merit its inclusion. As for the lies... Arch is playing mindgames so no one can playtest against his deck, and he then steamrolls worlds with a perfect record, finally dispelling the Swiss Champ Curse forever. And there was much rejoicing!

I will most likely not be playing Hilde for worlds.

She's far too fragile.

Archimedes said:

Just as long as you're not using Chun Li or John Herr

I despise Chun Li and to play the current poster boy of Evil is probably suicidal for diversity.

I've got other things in the works.

Archimedes said:

Screw diversity, you can beat those chumps.

The winning Herr deck will be mono water

Smazzurco said:

Mono ALL.

If a mono-all deck (no splashed Tiger Fury crap) tops at anything, my head will explode.

...

@quazark: Don't you dare

Archimedes said:

See, and while I'm busy brewing ideas for what to run at worlds, Antigoth had to come along and mess it up for the rest of us by introducing an EXTREMELY off-beat deck that just goes to show you that you never do know what you're up against =/

Although Herr's got good symbols, I think his character has already proven its worth enough to make it a hot choice for getting past diversity. Good luck to any Chunners, Donovans and Herrs, because you're obviously getting through to top cut </3

MarcoPulleaux said:

Join the club, yo.

Wafflecopter said:

took em out for an attack with all so I can actually kill you in one turn

MarcoPulleaux said:

What I'm really enjoying is sitting back and watching the evolution of the idea. The amount of folks who are wanting to take the deck and put their own spin on it. It certainly throws the meta for a loop, which was my intention in the first place.

Antigoth said:

You want to destroy the established order? *GASP* You're a terrorist!