On the YT-2400, Heavy Laser Cannon on its own is superior to HLC + Outrider.

Yes, having a 4-attack crit-less donut around your ship seems nice.

However, is that really better than having 4 attack as a cone, surrounded by a 2 attack turret, and 3 attack at Range 1? And a 5 point discount?

Moreover, is the HLC-Outrider combo seriously 12 points of upgrade nice? That's an entire Bandit Squad pilot.

Agree. Maybe only YT-2400 + HLC is enough.

On the YT-2400, Heavy Laser Cannon on its own is superior to HLC + Outrider.

Yes, having a 4-attack crit-less donut around your ship seems nice.

However, is that really better than having 4 attack as a cone, surrounded by a 2 attack turret, and 3 attack at Range 1? And a 5 point discount?

Moreover, is the HLC-Outrider combo seriously 12 points of upgrade nice? That's an entire Bandit Squad pilot.

I think both have a place. But I do think the Outrider Title costs too much. That said, an Outrider with HLC and title is much better than a titless cannonless outrider and a Z-95.

Basically, I would say, just HLC is better for the points, but both will see play.

That's not an unpopular opinion at all as I arrived at the same conclusion.....

I would be willing to bet that FFG will release other cannons that cost less than the HLC and can be used in RB1. Something in the 4-5 point range that does straight damage and maybe add stress or pull tokens. Something like a flak cannon.

Moreover, is the HLC-Outrider combo seriously 12 points of upgrade nice? That's an entire Bandit Squad pilot.

But who's gonna fly it, kid? You?

I might try it to test it out, but not having a range 1 attack makes me nervous. Althought, to be fair, I'm also planning on testing it out with an autoblaster, if the dial is jumpy enough to make it look like it'll work. I doubt I would take either to a tournament.

Well with the high PS pilots (I am assuming they will have high PSs like Kath and Boba), you will be able to barrel roll out to rb2. I think that ship is going to need a PTL.

Its expensive but:

Dash + Outridder + HLC + Kyle Katarn + PTL + Engine Upgrade looks pretty freaking nasty.

Actions Boost + Barrel roll to maintain RB2. Use green manuever to shed stress so you generate focus thanks to Kyle. Add a 360 HLC for fun.

That thing is going to be all over the place.

I agree that it is an expensive upgrade that isnt going to be an auto include option, but will vary depending on meta. \

The 4 dice 360 atk is going to be absolutely huge in meta's with a lot of elusive ships like phantoms, interceptors and even possibly post-rebel aces A-wings.

Apart from that the extra 5 pts for the title wont make much difference and a yt-2400 with just the HLC would still be really effective without the title.

Personally, I look forward to trying them both

Moreover, is the HLC-Outrider combo seriously 12 points of upgrade nice? That's an entire Bandit Squad pilot.

But who's gonna fly it, kid? You?

You bet I could! I'm not such a bad pilot myself! We don't have to sit here and listen to...

A raange 3 ion cannon turret for 8 points however...

Hlc turret for 12 is expensive because it also costs you your range 1. Sure, an ion only deals one damage but it should play merry havoc with many Phantom plans.

On the YT-2400, Heavy Laser Cannon on its own is superior to HLC + Outrider.

Yes, having a 4-attack crit-less donut around your ship seems nice.

However, is that really better than having 4 attack as a cone, surrounded by a 2 attack turret, and 3 attack at Range 1? And a 5 point discount?

Moreover, is the HLC-Outrider combo seriously 12 points of upgrade nice? That's an entire Bandit Squad pilot.

I think both have a place. But I do think the Outrider Title costs too much. That said, an Outrider with HLC and title is much better than a titless cannonless outrider and a Z-95.

Basically, I would say, just HLC is better for the points, but both will see play.

I agree with both of you. I will certainly test out both in different lists. Dash's ability could make it easy to avoid getting enemies in R1, especially with Vet Instincts. I definitely agree that the Outrider with title and HLC is better than a naked 2400 and a Headhunter. But, I DON'T think it will be better than Han Solo. Han is 46 points for 13 THP, 3 attack 360 and 4 at Range 1 and a punishing card ability. Dash with HLC and Title is 48 points for 10 THP, 4 attack 360 but zero at Range 1, lower Pilot Skill . So, the kitted-out Dash is 2 points more expensive and I'm not sure its better than naked Han. But, we shall see.

Thanks for the advice, guys. Looking forward to the dial so we can give it some real playtests!

5 points for the title is probably future-proofing. Right now there is only one viable cannon for the outrider, and it is already 7 points. But that doesn't mean there won't be more viable cannon options in the future at a lower price point.

Personally I really do hope to see more cannons, as we have hit wave 4, 5, and rebel aces without any new cannons at all

Personally, I'm still waiting for the Iludium Pu-36 Explosive Space Modulator cannon upgrade.

I hope this becomes popular as opposed to turret HLC because the last thing we need is even more turrets. Playing with and against the YT-240 will lot be more enjoyable because you actually have to maneuver. Now that I think about it, dash with a HLC turret can go on asteroids and barrel roll off of ones he hits so he really maneuvers even lass than a falcon.

On the YT-2400, Heavy Laser Cannon on its own is superior to HLC + Outrider.

Yes, having a 4-attack crit-less donut around your ship seems nice.

However, is that really better than having 4 attack as a cone, surrounded by a 2 attack turret, and 3 attack at Range 1? And a 5 point discount?

Moreover, is the HLC-Outrider combo seriously 12 points of upgrade nice? That's an entire Bandit Squad pilot.

Just feel the need to point out, the HLC technically isn't crit-less. Reread it, "immediately after rolling your attack die", so before any further modification. If you say, roll crit hit eye blank, you would immediately change it to hit hit eye blank. If you then spent a target lock and that blank turned into a crit, the crit would stick.

I hope this becomes popular as opposed to turret HLC because the last thing we need is even more turrets. Playing with and against the YT-240 will lot be more enjoyable because you actually have to maneuver. Now that I think about it, dash with a HLC turret can go on asteroids and barrel roll off of ones he hits so he really maneuvers even lass than a falcon.

Yes and no. Manuevered well he'll be monstrous because he can put so many shots against him through asteroids, and pull people through Asteroid feilds out out of position. In short, at minimum he manuevers like the falcon, at max he's one of the most position intensive pilots in the game, using those asteroids to keep people out of the donut hole. He's probably the best pilot for the Heavy laser Turret because of his ability. But it puts him at 48 points, and that's getting pricey. He'll take some skill to work right.

I don't feel that a lack of range 1 is a big issue. You have a barrel rolling big ship. Unless they have a higher pilot skill then your 7 (I'm assuming Dash) you should be able to barrel roll out of range 1 99 times out of 100.

Now as to whether 12 points is worth it, I don't know. I'll definitely run with it in a few casual games because really who doesn't want to play around with a 360* Heavy Laser Cannon?

the large base barrel roll is what makes the HLC (without Outrider title) great. Of course, we haven't seen the dial yet, and that's pretty important when we're talking about the HLC.

On the YT-2400, Heavy Laser Cannon on its own is superior to HLC + Outrider.

Yes, having a 4-attack crit-less donut around your ship seems nice.

However, is that really better than having 4 attack as a cone, surrounded by a 2 attack turret, and 3 attack at Range 1? And a 5 point discount?

Moreover, is the HLC-Outrider combo seriously 12 points of upgrade nice? That's an entire Bandit Squad pilot.

Moreover, is the HLC-Outrider combo seriously 12 points of upgrade nice? That's an entire Bandit Squad pilot.

But who's gonna fly it, kid? You?

This is the first comment I ever read on the Internet in Wedge's voice. Grats!

On the YT-2400, Heavy Laser Cannon on its own is superior to HLC + Outrider.

Yes, having a 4-attack crit-less donut around your ship seems nice.

However, is that really better than having 4 attack as a cone, surrounded by a 2 attack turret, and 3 attack at Range 1? And a 5 point discount?

Moreover, is the HLC-Outrider combo seriously 12 points of upgrade nice? That's an entire Bandit Squad pilot.

Maybe I'm not thinking about it the right way but if you're not going to make the HLC a turret why are you bothering with the YT2400 in the first place? Isn't a Bwing a better HLC platform if you're just using the front arc?

The benefit comes when you can't get an enemy in your sights. You can ALWAYS make that 2-3 die turret attack. You'll get that Heavy Laser most of the time, but there will occasionally be a time when you can't. Still getting to attack that turn could be critical.

On the YT-2400, Heavy Laser Cannon on its own is superior to HLC + Outrider.

Yes, having a 4-attack crit-less donut around your ship seems nice.

However, is that really better than having 4 attack as a cone, surrounded by a 2 attack turret, and 3 attack at Range 1? And a 5 point discount?

Moreover, is the HLC-Outrider combo seriously 12 points of upgrade nice? That's an entire Bandit Squad pilot.

Maybe I'm not thinking about it the right way but if you're not going to make the HLC a turret why are you bothering with the YT2400 in the first place? Isn't a Bwing a better HLC platform if you're just using the front arc?

It'll be interesting to see how much cheaper the base YT2400 is than the ORS. Even now, Dash is a full 6 points cheaper than Chewie. Sticking a HLC on a cheap YT2400 could be better than a B-Wing just because its more maneuverable and more tanky but it all really comes down to cost.

The B-Wing doesn't have the support of a 2 dice turret for when the HLC doesn't have a target. Don't forget, you can roll into range 1 for 3 dice turret and you have 2 agi to help with defense. Wise crew choices and Dash's mobility will make this an interesting build to mess with.

I could see a YT-1300 and YT-2400 build being quite nasty if set up correctly.

On the YT-2400, Heavy Laser Cannon on its own is superior to HLC + Outrider.

Yes, having a 4-attack crit-less donut around your ship seems nice.

However, is that really better than having 4 attack as a cone, surrounded by a 2 attack turret, and 3 attack at Range 1? And a 5 point discount?

Moreover, is the HLC-Outrider combo seriously 12 points of upgrade nice? That's an entire Bandit Squad pilot.

Maybe I'm not thinking about it the right way but if you're not going to make the HLC a turret why are you bothering with the YT2400 in the first place? Isn't a Bwing a better HLC platform if you're just using the front arc?

It'll be interesting to see how much cheaper the base YT2400 is than the ORS. Even now, Dash is a full 6 points cheaper than Chewie. Sticking a HLC on a cheap YT2400 could be better than a B-Wing just because its more maneuverable and more tanky but it all really comes down to cost.

Almost a 100% chance that the basic 2400 (Wild Spacer?) is MORE expensive than the ORS. The 2400 has another point of Pilot Skill, better hull/shield ratio (with the same total), an additional action, AND higher agility. That will undoubtedly put it at a higher buy-in price, but not by much. I'm guessing 28-30 points.