I might be wrong as I'm new, but is the gap in release times between Wave 4 and 5 not shorter than before?

Perhaps it's better to have 2 ships every couple/few months rather than 4 ships every 4-5 months? More stuff means more production so hopefully the stuff that seems to sell out all the time will be available more often?

If I make a "I'm disappointed with wave 6 thread" can we post funny stuff on it for 3 days and not do this when it's announced?

Of the 2 I'm less excited about the outrider. Seems like a quirky ship with a neat trick that'll be fun to fly a few times.

Decimator is UGLY... But big enough that we're gonna see a lot of people repaint in some very cool ways (camo, imperial red, "stealthed" (star field), flames... Like a turtle... Oh the fun we'll have.

Why is Wave 5 only 2 ships?

Thematically I'm not impressed. The Decimator is one of the goofy ships from the failure Star Wars Galaxies and the Outrider (While much demanded) is just another Rebel flying pancake.

In terms of game pieces I can be impressed. The Decimator isn't quite the star destroyers people were hoping for but it's certainly making a new precedent in the game. The YT2400's native Barrel roll means I don't need expert handling for my flying barn now. Once the previews come up maybe the Upgrade cards in the pack will help me be enthusiastic about these ships.

Also one of the many that wants the Assault Gunboat and TIE Avenger. Lucasfilm, if you're listening, tell FFG to make these!

No avenger. Ever.

I'd be a little more excited if the YT-2400 could only shoot 180 degrees instead of 360. Something different. Not that I don't like turrets, I just enjoy skillful flying more.

This is the only way i see the decimator run in standard games :

Decimator

Mini swarm

Imposing turret can't be underestimated. Due to the lack of any agility, Decimators are the most ideal ship to put Expose on. 4 attack turret, anyone?

Still worse than focus.

That's where the shuttle with Fleet Officer comes into play.

So far I like what I see in Wave V. I've been hoping for a YT-2400 (or any other Rebel freighter, really) and the Decimator looks like it's going to give Imperials some fun options. If these really are the only two ships in the wave, I'll also be happy to get a little break from what is going to be a costly Wave IV for me, since I play both sides.

Personally I've never been a EU guy but I'm open to any as long as they: 1) enhance the game 2) don't long like it was made by a college Intern with a 2 hour time limit.

Dash's ability is interesting but not game breaking and the VT looks cool and imperial cards are definitely what they needed. We need more info since at the moment were all in the dark for the bulk of pilots and upgrades

One thing I'm very happy about is that wave 5 is just two ships, easier on our wallets and I see it as FFG doing what they need to to get things right if it's only 2/3 then who cares as long as it keeps the balance better than 4 crappy ships/cards

As for the amount of stuff they are coming out though I admit it seems fast I imagine since they realized Xwing is their golden goose they've adjusted manpower and resources to capitalize.

TL:DR I have faith that whatever they put out at whenever will be worthwhile until I'm proven wrong so I won't stressed til then hopefully u guys won't either

Yeah, I think the reason I don't adore this wave (and let me state clearly; I don't hate it or anything... I'm just not too interested in it) is three-fold...

First, I don't love the look of the ships, particularly the Decimator.

Second, I don't love the gameplay... I, like the poster above, like the dogfight aspect of the game... I actually JUST got the Falcon a week ago and wouldn't have bought it at all except I got it as a gift. The fact that the Decimator in particular is just a big tank, and a tank with no blind spot, makes it a little less interesting to me, gameplaywise... only the three crew makes it appealing at all.

Third, I have absolutely no experience with the EU, and the inclusion of Dash Rendar and the Outrider and all that has no emotional connection for me.

So... I doubt I'll buy the ships, since I don't play competitively ever and can just print the cards, and don't love the ships or the play style that seems likely with them... I might end up buying them anyway, but I am not an "infinite collector" type at all, so...

So. That's my take. Always fun to look at stuff, and I look forward to peoples game reports with the new ships, but I would have maybe preferred a few more smaller, dogfighty-type ships. I am definitely looking forward to the Phantom and Defender, though!

Still worse than focus.

You're saying 4 "raw" dice is worse than rolling 3 dice with a focus? Is there some math that supports this?

Yes. There's a couple ways you could probably look at it, but four unmodified reds have an expected yield of 2 hits, whereas three with a focus yield 2.25.

Still worse than focus.

You're saying 4 "raw" dice is worse than rolling 3 dice with a focus? Is there some math that supports this?

Yes. There's a couple ways you could probably look at it, but four unmodified reds have an expected yield of 2 hits, whereas three with a focus yield 2.25.

Yep. The math is thus:

An unmodified attack die has a 1/2 chance of hitting. So 4x1/2=2.

A focused attack die has 6/8 chance of hitting. So 3x6/8=18/8 (or 2.25)

So expose will work IF you've got a fleet officer nearby (I really don't think it'll be FAQed to work on her own ship, but that's for a different thread). Either way, you're putting a fair amount of points into making a bad action usable. And if you DO have a fleet officer nearby, it would still be better and cheaper to just TL and receive a focus. Unfortunately Expose is still bad, even on the best platform for it.

As to the OP I feel exactly the opposite. I really liked the look of both vehicles and the Outrider in particular looks like a lot of fun to fly--especially for a turreted ship.

And I'm glad there's only 2 ships in this wave. The financial considerations are a part of it, but mostly I just feel that this game could stand to move at a slower pace.

I get why they wanted to release 4 at a time initially, to add in some variety. But since the game has become as popular as it has, I'd prefer it to more slowly and steadily evolve.

Firstly it allows the developers to get a better idea of how the latest wave shakes things up so they can better plan their next release. And secondly, the further they reach into the EU for new ships the more watered down the game becomes IMO. I hope there's not a day where I'm fondly reminiscing about X-wings as a distant release that doesn't hold up to the standards of newer releases.

Decimator to me is like a Flying Fortress. Lots of firepower but not much ability to dodge. Dogfighting sometimes means escorting your other ships that can deal big damage to objectives or huge rebel ships for example. I will be surprised if it doesn't see almost as much play as the falcon. The outrider is unique looking with a unique skill set. Turrets and large bases may not be as dogfight oriented, but to be fair there are already about as many different kids of dogfighters out there as you can do with the 4 basic stats.

The Outrider is the coolest ship with a Built in Turret so far. The cannon vs Turret thing will be fun. The Outrider title is interesting, but I think the cost is prohibitive, and not as good as just a Heavy Laser on the ship anyway.

Two dice versus 4. Outrider's definitely a "how you plan to use it" card and it's overall utility will likely be dial-based.

The Outrider is the coolest ship with a Built in Turret so far. The cannon vs Turret thing will be fun. The Outrider title is interesting, but I think the cost is prohibitive, and not as good as just a Heavy Laser on the ship anyway.

Agreed. 12 points is a lot just for a turreted HLC attack. Considering the YT-2400 has barrel roll anyway, it is likely you can position well enough to get off HLC shots within your normal firing arc. The only problem at that point is if you had to barrel roll, you have no modification for the HLC attack.

Two dice versus 4. Outrider's definitely a "how you plan to use it" card and it's overall utility will likely be dial-based.

While true, being unable to fire at range 1 just kind of sucks. It gives you the option to attack flankers and always have a shot while still having a powerful main weapon. Yes 4 dice atg 360 degrees is powerful, but with Barrel Roll native to the dial I think the title is overkill.

any new wave realese is a good release jsut sayin cant wait for the decimator and finnaly some dash render lovers can finnaly fly him in his outrider ^^

Imposing turret can't be underestimated. Due to the lack of any agility, Decimators are the most ideal ship to put Expose on. 4 attack turret, anyone?

I wouldn't be surprised if they FAQ that saying that since it doesn't have an agility to lower, it can't take the EPT. Not sure.

Imposing turret can't be underestimated. Due to the lack of any agility, Decimators are the most ideal ship to put Expose on. 4 attack turret, anyone?

I wouldn't be surprised if they FAQ that saying that since it doesn't have an agility to lower, it can't take the EPT. Not sure.

Hi all,

While I am glad to see wave five announced, I have to admit, I am not blown away.

I think both ships are a bit unattractive (especially the imperial ship... I hate the front end, that I guess is supposed to be a little tie-fighter?) and I have to say, I have little interest in big ships... I just don't find them as much fun to fly, especially with two turret ships involved. That, plus a lack of small ships, leaves me a little meh about wave five.

Anyone else a little meh about them? I'd be more interested in a y wing with a crew seat!

BOO HISS BOOooo...

I suspect that the yt-2400 will have a koiogran movement given that is in the same relative class as the yt-1200. I worry that the vt-49 will not have a koiogran. Giving the Empire a turreted ship is fine, but I am hoping that it has maneuverability more like a fighter class ship.

The yt-2400, not a surprise, but I was really shooting for the ig-2000 on the Empires side.

I'd bet the decimated HS. Lot of green forwards and banks with some white and red turns.

Decimator is UGLY... But big enough that we're gonna see a lot of people repaint in some very cool ways (camo, imperial red, "stealthed" (star field), flames... Like a turtle... Oh the fun we'll have.

- Paint Decimator like a turtle.

- Mount 4 elephants on the back of Decimator.

- Mount a YT-1300 on the back of the elephants.

I might be wrong as I'm new, but is the gap in release times between Wave 4 and 5 not shorter than before?

Yes quite a bit so. Considering Wave 5 was announced before Wave 4 is even in stores yet.

Wave 1 was released in Sept 2012, wave 2 was announced November 2012.

Wave 2 was released Feb 2013, wave 3 was announced May 2013.

Wave 3 was released Sept 2013, wave 4 was announced Feb 2013

So it was 2 months between wave 1 and 2 being announced, 3 months between 2 and 3 being announced, and then 5 months between 3 and wave 4 being announced.

So having wave 5 announced before 4 is even in stores is a massive increase.