The Clone Wars REALLY nailed the aesthetic when it came to starships. The only thing that honestly looked at all cartoonish were the characters. Any tech looked pretty real in star wars terms. As a result, I can generally buy into TCW giving accurate proportions for starships and other technology. Love it or hate it, it is at least an impressive looking show.

Quite so.

I have been watching it lately, and, yes, the way the characters are drawn are the second-most annoying thing about it. The most annoying thing about the show is how some of the characters behave. I was just watching a few episodes from season 5 in which a group of droids goes on an infiltration and retrieve mission. The astromechs were largely fine, but the way the speaking droids largely behave is beyond comprehension.

But, we're talking about the way the ships and stuff look, and I'll grant you that that all looks pretty good. Also, I think your argument of recent evidence having some greater weight is not too shabby. What I object to is calling it "proof" in size-24 font. I'm a scientist (of sorts), and 'proof' is not a word I would use lightly.

Especially in a fictional world in which any person at Disney aside from the janitor can change it all up at a whim.

The Clone Wars REALLY nailed the aesthetic when it came to starships. The only thing that honestly looked at all cartoonish were the characters. Any tech looked pretty real in star wars terms. As a result, I can generally buy into TCW giving accurate proportions for starships and other technology. Love it or hate it, it is at least an impressive looking show.

Quite so.

I have been watching it lately, and, yes, the way the characters are drawn are the second-most annoying thing about it. The most annoying thing about the show is how some of the characters behave. I was just watching a few episodes from season 5 in which a group of droids goes on an infiltration and retrieve mission. The astromechs were largely fine, but the way the speaking droids largely behave is beyond comprehension.

But, we're talking about the way the ships and stuff look, and I'll grant you that that all looks pretty good. Also, I think your argument of recent evidence having some greater weight is not too shabby. What I object to is calling it "proof" in size-24 font. I'm a scientist (of sorts), and 'proof' is not a word I would use lightly.

Especially in a fictional world in which any person at Disney aside from the janitor can change it all up at a whim.

Well I was being mostly facetious, but I'm glad we mostly agree. Also about how characters act.

Do not get me started on General Grievous. Shameful, George! SHAMEFUL!

I've actually only gotten to the first five of season 2. That second battle of geonosis was pretty radical.

And I can hardly make any claim to equal scientist. Artist, though? I can kind of hold that. But that's second to ship designer.

Interior of an AWACS I'm working on. But that's beside the point.

Point is, yeah. It seems the Clone Wars iteration of the Gozanti is definitely what we're getting size-wise. I admit that I'm very excited to see the Rebels Gozanti in action, honestly. It looks way cool and it definitely has a unique role. Saw one clip where it was carrying AT-ST type walkers on those mag-hinges. We'll be seeing it a lot.

oh sweet lord i mixed up the lavatory and the rest area what have i done

Im not sure you can trust a design team that comes up wih a fighter and because the R2 doesnt fit they just slap an R unit head on the wing and say 'Job done" rather than fix things so it does work.

I've actually only gotten to the first five of season 2. That second battle of geonosis was pretty radical.

And I can hardly make any claim to equal scientist. Artist, though? I can kind of hold that. But that's second to ship designer.

That's cool, I've done some deckplans as well, though nothing where I can show you a coherent picture at the moment.

Im not sure you can trust a design team that comes up wih a fighter and because the R2 doesnt fit they just slap an R unit head on the wing and say 'Job done" rather than fix things so it does work.

Okay, I'll give you that one. That said, the idea that an astromech's core can extend is kind of cool, if a bit asinine.

I've actually only gotten to the first five of season 2. That second battle of geonosis was pretty radical.

And I can hardly make any claim to equal scientist. Artist, though? I can kind of hold that. But that's second to ship designer.

That's cool, I've done some deckplans as well, though nothing where I can show you a coherent picture at the moment.

Thanks! I'd be interested in seeing stuff you did sometime.

I've actually only gotten to the first five of season 2. That second battle of geonosis was pretty radical.

And I can hardly make any claim to equal scientist. Artist, though? I can kind of hold that. But that's second to ship designer.

That's cool, I've done some deckplans as well, though nothing where I can show you a coherent picture at the moment.

Thanks! I'd be interested in seeing stuff you did sometime.

My stuff is for an online roleplaying game that I've done, on a custom (ie. homebrew) website. The deckplans were in order to create maps to show where the characters are. They're in .xcf and too large to display here. However, there are the portions that I cropped in order to show the scene with the characters.

So, for examples, there's this scene, where the PCs have commandeered a JV-7 Escort Shuttle. It shows just the cockpit, but I have the rest of the shuttle plotted out, even if it doesn't have textures and objects everywhere:

Two words: Prominent Role.

the Gozanti used to just be a background ship. Things get fleshed out when they're used more, and sometimes they change size. That's alright.

And no, I didn't say that. Though oddly enough, aside from the character models themselves, you'll find that things in TCW are fairly well proportioned and decent looking. As for long necked star destroyers and wide strutted TIEs... Well, that's just artistic license at play, making it look like McQuarrie art.

I take your point on the prominent role, but I'll have to be convinced that TCW is fairly well proportioned, etc. I'll grant you that TCW seems a bit less cartoony than SW:R seems thus far, and I'm lamenting that. 'Till I'm more convinced, I'll live under the assumption that cartoons are the ones taking artistic license while the films show things as they are.

Okay, so I won't go quite so far, because I presume in the prequel films they're kind of just plugging CGI into the background.

I suppose that the main thing I really need to be convinced of is that all the scaling is not just arbitrary and plugging in. The design process seems to follow the needs of story plot and plugging in semi-plausible background material, and maintaining consistency is a distant third concern. That (presumed) fact drives me up the wall, but there it is.

I remember hearing that the proportions of the Millenium Falcon's interior set in the OT were bigger than it's exterior. So either the sizes in the films are inacurate, or the Falcon is a TARDIS.

Yes, the MF is all jacked up. Don't even try to wrap your brain around it.

I remember hearing that the proportions of the Millenium Falcon's interior set in the OT were bigger than it's exterior. So either the sizes in the films are inacurate, or the Falcon is a TARDIS.

Or (as has happened quite a few times throughout the variousStar Wars publications), someone somewhere down the line confused the metric system with the imperial.

Or (as has happened quite a few times throughout the variousStar Wars publications), someone somewhere down the line confused the metric system with the imperial.

What?! Surely the Empire has embraced metric!

(Yes, I know what you meant.)

I've actually only gotten to the first five of season 2. That second battle of geonosis was pretty radical.

And I can hardly make any claim to equal scientist. Artist, though? I can kind of hold that. But that's second to ship designer.

That's cool, I've done some deckplans as well, though nothing where I can show you a coherent picture at the moment.

Thanks! I'd be interested in seeing stuff you did sometime.

My stuff is for an online roleplaying game that I've done, on a custom (ie. homebrew) website. The deckplans were in order to create maps to show where the characters are. They're in .xcf and too large to display here. However, there are the portions that I cropped in order to show the scene with the characters.

So, for examples, there's this scene, where the PCs have commandeered a JV-7 Escort Shuttle. It shows just the cockpit, but I have the rest of the shuttle plotted out, even if it doesn't have textures and objects everywhere:

Oooohh, those kind of deckplans..! Very neato!

I remember hearing that the proportions of the Millenium Falcon's interior set in the OT were bigger than it's exterior. So either the sizes in the films are inacurate, or the Falcon is a TARDIS.

Yes, the MF is all jacked up. Don't even try to wrap your brain around it.

Too true.

I remember hearing that the proportions of the Millenium Falcon's interior set in the OT were bigger than it's exterior. So either the sizes in the films are inacurate, or the Falcon is a TARDIS.

Or (as has happened quite a few times throughout the variousStar Wars publications), someone somewhere down the line confused the metric system with the imperial.

I hate when people do that.

It looks like one of those cars the Flintstones use to drive. Your feet must get really cold, being exposed to the vacuum of space like that.

Or the Anthill Mon.

"Chewie - get ready to jump to lightspeed!"

"Raaaaaaaoooowwwr!"

They lift the cockpit up, and start running...

Chewie wears SHOES!?!

also, I like the improvised feel, using these wooden steps, stacked to level this large plywood cockpit

Two words: Prominent Role.

the Gozanti used to just be a background ship. Things get fleshed out when they're used more, and sometimes they change size. That's alright.

And no, I didn't say that. Though oddly enough, aside from the character models themselves, you'll find that things in TCW are fairly well proportioned and decent looking. As for long necked star destroyers and wide strutted TIEs... Well, that's just artistic license at play, making it look like McQuarrie art.

I take your point on the prominent role, but I'll have to be convinced that TCW is fairly well proportioned, etc. I'll grant you that TCW seems a bit less cartoony than SW:R seems thus far, and I'm lamenting that. 'Till I'm more convinced, I'll live under the assumption that cartoons are the ones taking artistic license while the films show things as they are.

Okay, so I won't go quite so far, because I presume in the prequel films they're kind of just plugging CGI into the background.

I suppose that the main thing I really need to be convinced of is that all the scaling is not just arbitrary and plugging in. The design process seems to follow the needs of story plot and plugging in semi-plausible background material, and maintaining consistency is a distant third concern. That (presumed) fact drives me up the wall, but there it is.

I agree for the most part. I figured the gozanti was just a no-name ship back then that wasn't important, and for the most part I was right. Then they were like, "buh, we messed up. Disregard, do new~!"

For proportion arguments, take a look at the ETA-2 Starfighter.

Proportionally speaking, this all but ProtoTIEpe, is identical in both TCW and Episode III. Then there's always the Venator.

Which looks uber close to the film model. Finally, the LAAT/i.

The Clone Wars REALLY nailed the aesthetic when it came to starships. The only thing that honestly looked at all cartoonish were the characters. Any tech looked pretty real in star wars terms. As a result, I can generally buy into TCW giving accurate proportions for starships and other technology. Love it or hate it, it is at least an impressive looking show.

I have always maintained that you can find some good stuff in the prequel trilogy.

Like the really really cool ships.

Like the really really cool ships.

... and that few minutes of coolness with Obi Wan and Jango Fett fighting and zooming in asteroids, yeah!

Edit: WOW I actually found the concept art drawing for the Clone Wars Gozanti, click on it to see it full size. Look at the Tiny person next to it for scale, that is a BIG ship.

Another Edit: Since the LAAT is in the illustration for size reference and we know it's 17.4m long I can work out that the Gozanti is 93.7m long, 37.4m wide at the engines and 28.7 at the middle flat part. 4m wide at the nose which flairs out to 18.3m at the widest with those bits poking out the sides.

More maths: at 1/400 scale it'd be 23.4cm long at 1/450 20.8cm

I was just curious to see how your measurements looked at the in-universe scale.

They will certainly be closer in size in their respective game scales.

Edit: WOW I actually found the concept art drawing for the Clone Wars Gozanti, click on it to see it full size. Look at the Tiny person next to it for scale, that is a BIG ship.

Another Edit: Since the LAAT is in the illustration for size reference and we know it's 17.4m long I can work out that the Gozanti is 93.7m long, 37.4m wide at the engines and 28.7 at the middle flat part. 4m wide at the nose which flairs out to 18.3m at the widest with those bits poking out the sides.

More maths: at 1/400 scale it'd be 23.4cm long at 1/450 20.8cm

I was just curious to see how your measurements looked to scale.

I think this recent effort, and frankly it should be the last, is absolutely perfect.

If FFG did the Gonzies, I hope it is this size. It will match up with the Transport and that will work great in Epic!

... I am tempted to do the next step and make the CR90 1/450, the Gozanti 1/400, and the YT-1300 1/270 scale. But I'll leave that to someone else.

Thematically, the Imperials should be able to field the biggest ship in Epic play. Their warships were always bigger, tougher and deadlier than the Rebels...

Thematically, the Imperials should be able to field the biggest ship in Epic play. Their warships were always bigger, tougher and deadlier than the Rebels...

Now if we could stop leaving open exhaust ports...

Now if we could stop leaving open exhaust ports...

That's crazy talk!

Now if we could stop leaving open exhaust ports...

That's crazy talk!

All I'm saying is heat sinks are a thing.

All I'm saying is heat sinks are a thing.

Pfftt, next thing you'll be telling me that having the shield projectors for your entire ship mounted above the bridge in an unprotected and exposed position constitutes a significant design flaw!