We want the wonderful; loveable, adorable, mean little TIEs slunging!

Taint a carrier without slungings!

Then you might have to accept TIE's which are about a third smaller than the ones we use in game.

Gosric faced a similar head-scratching design puzzle when he designed his Pulson TIE carrier, if I recall correctly...

Trouble make'in son of a...

If it's going to have TIEs stuck to it, they're going to actually have to make it in scale. Otherwise, you better believe we'll make a stink about it

Incidentally, this thing has my stamp of approval. It has everything I like in a ship, including other, tinier ships in its big sideways maw:

Full post here: http://www.keeperoftheforce.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=924

Somebody crazy could probably make one out of the more economical Kenner Blockade Runner. (Or, if they were Mr. Moneybags, the FFG one...)

I am moderately up on the EU, have been familiar with the z95, e-wing and defender for decades and the nebulon B is a rebel ship. Considerably Moreso than the corvette.

I won't argue that it's remembered as a Rebel ship mainly due to it's appearance in Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, just like I wouldn't argue that the Corellian Corvette is most famous as a Rebel ship due to it's prominent appearance in A New Hope, but as far as the EU goes, it's pretty clear on the ship's origins:

"Just once, I'd like to destroy a starship that we didn't pay for!" - Imperial Admiral Hurkk at the Battle of Oovo IV

The EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigate was a 300-meter-long warship that was built by Kuat Drive Yards for use by the Imperial Navy, to protect convoys from Rebel Alliance starfighter actions. It was, however, used more famously by the Rebellion.

Kuat Drive Yards originally developed the EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigate for the Galactic Empire, to help defend Imperial convoys from attack by Rebel starfighters. However, due to Rebel capture operations, along with defections by Imperial forces, many of the frigates came to be part of the Alliance Fleet. The ships proved vital for the Alliance in many early campaigns, but as the Rebels acquired larger vessels, the Nebulon-Bs were converted for other uses, including command ships, long-range reconnaissance and search, and rescue frigates. The Redemption was one of the converted frigates and, by 1 BBY, was one of at least two Nebulon-Bs serving as medical frigates in the Alliance Fleet.

This isn't a new thing - it's been common lore for years. I remember playing the original X-Wing games back in the 90's and playing missions which included crippling and capturing Nebulon-B's, or overseeing their defection to the Rebel fleet. I also remember flying against them and being incredibly annoyed by them (they were faster than most transports, packed plenty of firepower and unlike Star Destroyers, you couldn't just target their shield generators) in a huge number of missions.

Now personally, given the price of the Tantive and the projected price of a Nebulon-B, I would have MUCH preferred them to have included cards for and been playable by either faction, rather than been faction specific. Doesn't look like we're going down that route though.

So, all that said - the Nebulon-B Frigate is still the largest, most recognisable and most iconic ship that featured in the original trilogy films that could realistically be produced for the Epic scale games without an insane reduction in scale, and it was historically developed to be an Imperial vessel, so I personally would have no problem whatsoever with it being released as an Imperial vessel.

If it's going to have TIEs stuck to it, they're going to actually have to make it in scale. Otherwise, you better believe we'll make a stink about it

Incidentally, this thing has my stamp of approval. It has everything I like in a ship, including other, tinier ships in its big sideways maw:

Full post here: http://www.keeperoftheforce.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=924

Somebody crazy could probably make one out of the more economical Kenner Blockade Runner. (Or, if they were Mr. Moneybags, the FFG one...)

Uh Oh... why did you post this?!

I have a Kenner BR and I have been thinking of things to do with since I do plan to accept the smaller and nicer looking FFG BR as my new version of the ship.

A crazy custom ship like this is very tempting to build too!

If it's going to have TIEs stuck to it, they're going to actually have to make it in scale. Otherwise, you better believe we'll make a stink about it

Incidentally, this thing has my stamp of approval. It has everything I like in a ship, including other, tinier ships in its big sideways maw:

Full post here: http://www.keeperoftheforce.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=924

Somebody crazy could probably make one out of the more economical Kenner Blockade Runner. (Or, if they were Mr. Moneybags, the FFG one...)

Uh Oh... why did you post this?!

I have a Kenner BR and I have been thinking of things to do with since I do plan to accept the smaller and nicer looking FFG BR as my new version of the ship.

A crazy custom ship like this is very tempting to build too!

And you put little LEDs inside the fighter bay, not to mention running lights and engines, and those could be actual Z-95's, and.....

Granted, that hangar as way too small to fit more than 2 B's or Y's. You could probably fit 6 A's in there. However, It's too squat for TIE's. At least the Empire makes its SD and space station docking bays one-size-fits-all.

If we do not get the Gonzies I am going to make this as an Imperial Carrier, since we are not going to get a Star Destroyer... dunno yet.

I'll carefully avoid mentioning the Carrack or Lancer in this context

I question how many penises you've actually seen.

Could be a lot worse.....

If it's going to have TIEs stuck to it, they're going to actually have to make it in scale. Otherwise, you better believe we'll make a stink about it

Incidentally, this thing has my stamp of approval. It has everything I like in a ship, including other, tinier ships in its big sideways maw:

Full post here: http://www.keeperoftheforce.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=924

Somebody crazy could probably make one out of the more economical Kenner Blockade Runner. (Or, if they were Mr. Moneybags, the FFG one...)

Huh, someone got creative with the back end of two ships.

I wonder if the BBC (fnarf) licensed the music from Star Trek: Voyager for that clip?

Did someone say Star Destroyer?

I wonder if the BBC (fnarf) licensed the music from Star Trek: Voyager for that clip?

And Gladiator at the end

Somebody crazy could probably make one out of the more economical Kenner Blockade Runner. (Or, if they were Mr. Moneybags, the FFG one...)

Well, I don't want to claim to be crazy, but I DID just pick up a Collectors' Fleet Blockade Runner. I'm leaving the FFG one as-is, but I've long wanted to convert that Blockade Runner (before X-Wing Miniatures!) into a variant like the "FarStar" -- i.e., with a hangar bay and docking clamps for X-Wings. I'd be happy to dedicate a few Micro Machines X-Wings to the cause.

I just did comparison measurements, and while the FFG CR90 is about 13.25", the Collectors' Fleet Blockade Runner is 16.25" -- a bit larger and bulkier, and unfortunately grossly less-defined than FFG's model, but still in the general neighborhood for size that I hope it could pass as a Corellian Corvette variant model if I spruce it up enough.

Another thing I've been considering is to use the Action Fleet Republic Cruiser -- AKA Consular-class Cruiser -- (which some folks have been using as a stand-in for the Consular Shuttle) -- just about 6" long, as a starting point to make a CR25 troop carrier.

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It would be a bit smaller than necessary (canon length = 60m; model length = 8.75"), but 6 inches is a lot closer to that than to proper size for a Consular-class cruiser (canon length = 115m; model length = 16.77"). (And for a proper CSS-1 Corellian Star Shuttle, I need a model about 11 2/3" long, since the canon length is 80m -- almost TWICE the length of the Action Fleet Republic Cruiser toy.)

But the big appeal is that most of the conversion involves lots of FLAT SURFACES that should be pretty easy to provide with plasticard and a bit of scribing. Is it just me, or does that thing look sort of like a cross between the Consular-class cruiser and a Jawa sandcrawler?

Somebody crazy could probably make one out of the more economical Kenner Blockade Runner. (Or, if they were Mr. Moneybags, the FFG one...)

Well, I don't want to claim to be crazy, but I DID just pick up a Collectors' Fleet Blockade Runner. I'm leaving the FFG one as-is, but I've long wanted to convert that Blockade Runner (before X-Wing Miniatures!) into a variant like the "FarStar" -- i.e., with a hangar bay and docking clamps for X-Wings. I'd be happy to dedicate a few Micro Machines X-Wings to the cause.

I just did comparison measurements, and while the FFG CR90 is about 13.25", the Collectors' Fleet Blockade Runner is 16.25" -- a bit larger and bulkier, and unfortunately grossly less-defined than FFG's model, but still in the general neighborhood for size that I hope it could pass as a Corellian Corvette variant model if I spruce it up enough.

Another thing I've been considering is to use the Action Fleet Republic Cruiser -- AKA Consular-class Cruiser -- (which some folks have been using as a stand-in for the Consular Shuttle) -- just about 6" long, as a starting point to make a CR25 troop carrier.

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It would be a bit smaller than necessary (canon length = 60m; model length = 8.75"), but 6 inches is a lot closer to that than to proper size for a Consular-class cruiser (canon length = 115m; model length = 16.77"). (And for a proper CSS-1 Corellian Star Shuttle, I need a model about 11 2/3" long, since the canon length is 80m -- almost TWICE the length of the Action Fleet Republic Cruiser toy.)

But the big appeal is that most of the conversion involves lots of FLAT SURFACES that should be pretty easy to provide with plasticard and a bit of scribing. Is it just me, or does that thing look sort of like a cross between the Consular-class cruiser and a Jawa sandcrawler?

It ain't just you.

Yeah I got the Kenner BR last year, and now like you and others I am going with the FFG deal because it is close to the same size and looks much better.

I like your idea for the smaller troop ship.

Wow haven't seen that troop ship for a while. It does look like a sorta flying sand crawler, really not the prettiest design out there.

If it's going to have TIEs stuck to it, they're going to actually have to make it in scale. Otherwise, you better believe we'll make a stink about it

Incidentally, this thing has my stamp of approval. It has everything I like in a ship, including other, tinier ships in its big sideways maw:

Full post here: http://www.keeperoftheforce.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=924

Somebody crazy could probably make one out of the more economical Kenner Blockade Runner. (Or, if they were Mr. Moneybags, the FFG one...)

wow that is a unique use of the back end of an X-wing. Never would have pictured using it as the front of a ship. Quite funny having the gap for the wings as a hanger for tiny X-wings.

I found that a Macross Valkyrie forearm makes a good main hull as well

I kind of like the idea of a Gozanti huge ship, packaged with four TIEs and new named pilots, marketed to people with small collections as a gateway drug to epic play and acquiring a TIE swarm.

I don't see the docking repair mechanic working in gameplay, however. Sorry.

I'm thinking it would come packaged with TWO Tie fighters as the owner also needs a Core Set, which has TWO Tie fighters for a total of four!

"There is another."

"There is another."

That and the Rebel gunship are awesome ships, but they are right in that band between large and huge. Bit larger than the decimator, but not really long enough to justify a huge ship base.

"There is another."

That and the Rebel gunship are awesome ships, but they are right in that band between large and huge. Bit larger than the decimator, but not really long enough to justify a huge ship base.

There is a caveat however. The CR-90's size has been halved for XWMG.

"There is another."

That and the Rebel gunship are awesome ships, but they are right in that band between large and huge. Bit larger than the decimator, but not really long enough to justify a huge ship base.

There is a caveat however. The CR-90's size has been halved for XWMG.

I thought it was 1:400 instead of the 1:270 of the small and large ships?

Regardless, how does that effect the gunships? They are only slightly larger (IIRC from playing Galaxies) than the VT-49 Decimator which is on a large base, so even at 1:270, the gunships would be rather small on the huge ship bases.

Iunno. They're about twice the size.

It's no more outlandish than hoping for the Vigil.

If we do not get the Gonzies I am going to make this as an Imperial Carrier, since we are not going to get a Star Destroyer... dunno yet.

Just be sure to put a wedge-hull on it....

I wonder if the BBC (fnarf) licensed the music from Star Trek: Voyager for that clip?

And Gladiator at the end

Sorry Gosric, I never actually made it that far. Had to switch it off after the "discharge" line.

Switching topics, I have a question for you from a modelling and design perspective.

I've always thought the Nebulon B is an incredible cool looking Star Wars ship, and from an inexperienced standpoint it would seem to be a fairly simple task to split a potential model of the ship into three separate interconnecting parts for ease of production, shipping and storage - the main hull, the engine block and the spar that connects them.

I was really impressed with the multi-part Assault Gunboat and Skipray Blastboat you've designed, and how the finished products looked. Following your experiences working on the Pulson, how feasible / difficult do you think it would be to produce a multi-part model on the Epic scale?

If we do not get the Gonzies I am going to make this as an Imperial Carrier, since we are not going to get a Star Destroyer... dunno yet.

Just be sure to put a wedge-hull on it....

The Vigil will do that for us I think...