Please stop posting ***** pictures on the forums. We're trying to keep it clean, and little kids probably come here maybe.

I thought only old farts like starwars, kids have only seen the special edition or Sith help them the blue Ray version.

Me I remember Han shooting first.

I remember when the Feds in E.T. had guns, Mark Hamill starred in a movie about a corvette, and Carrie Fisher was hot with a capital H.

I remember when the Feds in E.T. had guns, Mark Hamill starred in a movie about a corvette, and Carrie Fisher was hot with a capital H.

I remember a movie in which Mark Hamill turned into a giant cockroach, and then promptly died.

can you link a good picture?

ok

That is a good picture. =P

Please stop posting ***** pictures on the forums. We're trying to keep it clean, and little kids probably come here maybe.

This argument really is just trolling at this point.

So, back on topic:

I like the fore/mid/aft set-up that Johannesson came up with. I really hope they do this one more than any of the other potential 'huge' ships. If it were me, the Imperial huges would be:

1. Lancer (as the answer to the CR-90)

2. BFF-1 (as the answer to the GR-75)

The Lancer should be more formidable than the CR-90, because the Lancer is a dedicated military vessel intended for taking out fighters, whereas the CR-90 is a modular craft that can be fitted to be that, but wasn't designed top-to-bottom for that purpose.

The BFF-1, on the other hand, should be less formidable than the transport, because... well, it's just the Star Wars equivalent of an 18 wheeler truck, there to haul bulk stuff from one place to the next.

Please stop posting ***** pictures on the forums. We're trying to keep it clean, and little kids probably come here maybe.

This argument really is just trolling at this point.

So, back on topic:

I like the fore/mid/aft set-up that Johannesson came up with. I really hope they do this one more than any of the other potential 'huge' ships. If it were me, the Imperial huges would be:

1. Lancer (as the answer to the CR-90)

2. BFF-1 (as the answer to the GR-75)

The Lancer should be more formidable than the CR-90, because the Lancer is a dedicated military vessel intended for taking out fighters, whereas the CR-90 is a modular craft that can be fitted to be that, but wasn't designed top-to-bottom for that purpose.

The BFF-1, on the other hand, should be less formidable than the transport, because... well, it's just the Star Wars equivalent of an 18 wheeler truck, there to haul bulk stuff from one place to the next.

I like that the Imperials would have a BFF.

I wish there was a way to do a poll here.

But if I had to choose between Vigil and Lancer, it's Vigil. Hands down. Not even a second thought.

If the Imperial huge ship was the Lancer, unless the model looked significantly more awesome than the pictures floating around (including the one in Age of Rebellion), I'd buy the ship for the cards and then promptly put it back in the box that it came in.

I would like the BFF though. Who doesn't want a BFF?

Who else would choose Lancer over Vigil?

The Lancer should be more formidable than the CR-90, because the Lancer is a dedicated military vessel intended for taking out fighters, whereas the CR-90 is a modular craft that can be fitted to be that, but wasn't designed top-to-bottom for that purpose.

When you use the phrase "should be" I get a good chuckle out of it

because I've seen little evidence that Imperial build players are interested in that.

My "dedicated military" DP20 got plenty of complaints for being perceived as too powerful:

Well here's the thing about that Imperial Gozanti. Not only does it carry fighters, but people both young and old who've watched, "Rebels" will be able to identify it immediately as Imperial.

I don't disagree wth your point, but here's the thing about the gozanti. According to wookieepedia numbers, A 1/270 scale miniature of the gozanti is only 1" longer than the falcon. If the decimator is correct scale, the gozanti is only a half inch longer than it, and probably quite a bit thinner.

Don't you dare use Wookiepedia as a real reference.

Trust me, they can't figure out their exhaust port from a hole in the ground.

Well here's the thing about that Imperial Gozanti. Not only does it carry fighters, but people both young and old who've watched, "Rebels" will be able to identify it immediately as Imperial.

I don't disagree wth your point, but here's the thing about the gozanti. According to wookieepedia numbers, A 1/270 scale miniature of the gozanti is only 1" longer than the falcon. If the decimator is correct scale, the gozanti is only a half inch longer than it, and probably quite a bit thinner.

Wikipedia's been wrong about size before, sometimes drastically. I worked it out a couple of months ago and can't find it, but looking at this image…

…and remembering that a TIE Fighter is 6.5m long, it's clear that 41m is an underestimate.

See, see see... This guy, he's got it right. He's relying on source material we can see. Not read, not take from text and not see anything for real, he's using stuff we can actually see. We can see how big the Gozanti REALLY is.

And no ship that's 41m should ever be called a, "Cruiser" anyway.

...

I've been pondering this and a couple of things come to mind:

(1) for a GR75 equivalent (roughly speaking) it's too small.

(2) for a GR75 equivalent (roughly speaking) it would use power and therefore not have all those weapons...

Armament

• 2 quad laser cannon batteries

• 2 quad laser cannon turrets

• Proton torpedo launcher

• Systems upgrade slot

...unless they made it with two cards.

Do you have any card ideas?

I thought the Gozanti was closer to an ISF in size.

You might have missed a few pages there...

or the sound of a skipping record happens to be your music genre.

I wish there was a way to do a poll here.

Who else would choose Lancer over Vigil?

Yes, the ability to poll would be great.

I do prefer a Lancer over the Vigil. Here are my two main reasons:

• The Lancer has more presence in the EU.
• The Vigil would be much larger on the table and in the box. This goes to playability and shipping.

That said, I certainly won't be sad if they make a Vigil. I like it! I just think it has more practical problems than the Lancer does. Now, I also think that my first reason isn't all that weighty with FFG. The Decimator has barely any presence in the EU, and yet, here we are.

The Lancer should be more formidable than the CR-90, because the Lancer is a dedicated military vessel intended for taking out fighters, whereas the CR-90 is a modular craft that can be fitted to be that, but wasn't designed top-to-bottom for that purpose.

When you use the phrase "should be" I get a good chuckle out of it

because I've seen little evidence that Imperial build players are interested in that.

My "dedicated military" DP20 got plenty of complaints for being perceived too powerful:

Sure. When I say 'should be', I mean that in order to reflect what the Lancer is in the SWU, not in terms of what it should be capable of in terms of balanced game play. I figure that something powerful should be balanced by higher point cost. I don't know how something could be inherently too powerful if it is priced right. But, maybe I misunderstand these things.

By the way, I do like your DP-20. I would embrace it more fully if it weren't a CEC product, for which the Empire seems to have had little use. CEC was more of a manufacturer of civilian-use and for local authorities.

In sum, my rationale comes from in-universe considerations more than from in-game considerations. That doesn't mean that I don't think that in-game considerations aren't worthwhile. It's just not what I spend my time thinking about.

Hey gabe. That gozanti model is your scatch build, right? Any chance we could persuade you to take a picture of it replicating the shot from rebels, with 2 TIEs and from the same angle and everything?

Hey gabe. That gozanti model us your scatch build, right? Any chance we could persuade you to take a picture of it replicating the shot from rebels, with 2 TIEs and from the same angle and everything?

No it's not mine, it's on another thread here at FFG.

Not hard to find I'm sure. There it is...

Talk to TRamsey.

Hey gabe. That gozanti model is your scatch build, right? Any chance we could persuade you to take a picture of it replicating the shot from rebels, with 2 TIEs and from the same angle and everything?

Agreed!

By the way, where is that image of the Gozanti carrying the TIEs from? It's just concept art, right; nothing official?

Of course, it will be official if it's going to be in Rebels. and it's crystal clear that it will be in there (it's in the third second of the official trailer). I think that what I see there is pretty close in scale to what I see in Gabe's TRamsey's model. It's either a large 'large', or a small huge.

I wish there was a way to do a poll here.

Who else would choose Lancer over Vigil?

Yes, the ability to poll would be great.

I do prefer a Lancer over the Vigil. Here are my two main reasons:

• The Lancer has more presence in the EU.
• The Vigil would be much larger on the table and in the box. This goes to playability and shipping.

That said, I certainly won't be sad if they make a Vigil. I like it! I just think it has more practical problems than the Lancer does. Now, I also think that my first reason isn't all that weighty with FFG. The Decimator has barely any presence in the EU, and yet, here we are.

The Lancer should be more formidable than the CR-90, because the Lancer is a dedicated military vessel intended for taking out fighters, whereas the CR-90 is a modular craft that can be fitted to be that, but wasn't designed top-to-bottom for that purpose.

When you use the phrase "should be" I get a good chuckle out of it

because I've seen little evidence that Imperial build players are interested in that.

My "dedicated military" DP20 got plenty of complaints for being perceived too powerful:

Sure. When I say 'should be', I mean that in order to reflect what the Lancer is in the SWU, not in terms of what it should be capable of in terms of balanced game play. I figure that something powerful should be balanced by higher point cost. I don't know how something could be inherently too powerful if it is priced right. But, maybe I misunderstand these things.

By the way, I do like your DP-20. I would embrace it more fully if it weren't a CEC product, for which the Empire seems to have had little use. CEC was more of a manufacturer of civilian-use and for local authorities.

In sum, my rationale comes from in-universe considerations more than from in-game considerations. That doesn't mean that I don't think that in-game considerations aren't worthwhile. It's just not what I spend my time thinking about.

I'm starting to get that. Don't design any ships for the game unless you don't mind getting bombarded with "in-game consideration" complaints. My DP20 ratios were too precise, it all needed to a little more fussy and lamer for some people.

I'm starting to get that. Don't design any ships for the game unless you don't mind getting bombarded with "in-game consideration" complaints. My DP20 ratios were too precise, it all needed to a little more fussy and lamer for some people.

This community is going to nit-pick whatever you do, even if what you've created is perfect.

Here it is: Whatever you produce is not going to be used in tournaments anyway. If it works for your own casual games, then you've succeeded. If you made something that attracts people beyond your immediate circle of friends, you've succeeded above an beyond.

Now, did you also make the model? (I've seen an image of one floating around.)

Now, did you also make the model? (I've seen an image of one floating around.)

No those belong to DB Draft and Viceroy Bolda.

Haven't read the rules for Huge ships, but having what is effectively a Star Destroyer in your army sounds pretty awesome

Hey gabe. That gozanti model is your scatch build, right? Any chance we could persuade you to take a picture of it replicating the shot from rebels, with 2 TIEs and from the same angle and everything?

Agreed!

By the way, where is that image of the Gozanti carrying the TIEs from? It's just concept art, right; nothing official?

Of course, it will be official if it's going to be in Rebels. and it's crystal clear that it will be in there (it's in the third second of the official trailer). I think that what I see there is pretty close in scale to what I see in Gabe's TRamsey's model. It's either a large 'large', or a small huge.

Since I put so much work into the card I couldn't resist:

I'm starting to get that. Don't design any ships for the game unless you don't mind getting bombarded with "in-game consideration" complaints. My DP20 ratios were too precise, it all needed to a little more fussy and lamer for some people.

Being that we're, you know, discussing things to use in a game, I think keeping in-game considerations at the forefront of planning is perfectly reasonable...

I'm starting to get that. Don't design any ships for the game unless you don't mind getting bombarded with "in-game consideration" complaints. My DP20 ratios were too precise, it all needed to a little more fussy and lamer for some people.

Being that we're, you know, discussing things to use in a game, I think keeping in-game considerations at the forefront of planning is perfectly reasonable...

I'm not talking about ignoring them, throwing them out the window all together, I'm talking about the contrast between people who want playability at the expense of authenticity, so for example, reducing the size of the CR90 from 555mm to 333mm (21.85" to 13.11")

I understand that, but undeniably it is still a compromise, and I'm judging one compromise at a time, because it goes both ways; you could have gotten a 7" CR90 and playablity would not have been so affected that they had to make a whole separate set of "Epic" game rules.

I'm going to playtest my fully loaded 297 point DP20 Gunship and then after take the hacksaw of compromise to it just for you.

I'm going to have to go with a Tartan-class patrol cruiser for the Imps. It's the equivalent size to the Blockade Runner and mounts similar weapons.

I talked to a guy recently that met a guy who claimed to have some inside info, so take that for whatever it's worth (lots of salt).

I won't reveal the exact position he claims to hold with FFG, however I was told two words:

Black Sun.

Springboarding off of that, I started looking into what would make a decent epic ship in terms of looks and size. I would guess either the Gozanti Cruiser (perhaps too small) or the Interceptor-class frigate (perfect size, also a capital ship), with a long shot at the System Patrol Craft (would make a good support ship).

Yeah they are going to do it...

Never mind.

Ughhhhh. Hopefully no black sun.

Lame

whyn ot black sun ? i love it i want a third faction called the Outlaws including all kind of pirates organisations ( black sun, hutt cartel, zann consortium) , smugglers and bounty hunters in one faction to give the third faction a butt-load of new ships and variations of cards, pilots and upgrades ^^

Edit: SO PLEASE FANTASY FLIGHT GAMES PIMP MY X:WING WITH A THIRD FACTION AND GET MA MONEY ( pimp my ride mtv parody muwahha) but seriously give me a third faction O.o