I find it amusing that 327 posts later and no one has actually proposed a somewhat reasonable basis for the release of a third faction beyond "I have money and I must spend it!".

I find it amusing you don't think Demand isn't a reasonable basis to procure supply. That's pretty much all the excuse a company needs to make something. People want it. They will pay money for it. Why not try a smaller print run and see what the sales look like.

When did I say that? All I am saying that this 'demand' is actually for more ships; which by the way they still releasing AND are showing no signs of slowing down the release schedule even if the more identifiable ships are already done, and not for a third faction in and of itself.

TL;DR They are aware of and are meeting your alleged demand. Calm your farm.

I just don't understand why there is a presumption on the Ork's part and some others that a third faction would devalue the game or make it worse in some way. The worst things from this game functionally (TIE Advanced and A-wing, and maybe the pre-Aces TIE Interceptors) are from the first 2 waves.

They have already released improvements for Interceptors and the improvements for A-wings are on the way. Everyone is speculating that an Advanced fix must be coming too.

My point is, FFG seems to have a better handle on balance and the full capabilities of the game system they created, than when they first designed it. I have some faith that if they bring out a third faction it will enrich rather than dilute it.

I find it amusing that 327 posts later and no one has actually proposed a somewhat reasonable basis for the release of a third faction beyond "I have money and I must spend it!".

I find it amusing you don't think Demand isn't a reasonable basis to procure supply. That's pretty much all the excuse a company needs to make something. People want it. They will pay money for it. Why not try a smaller print run and see what the sales look like.

When did I say that? All I am saying that this 'demand' is actually for more ships; which by the way they still releasing AND are showing no signs of slowing down the release schedule even if the more identifiable ships are already done, and not for a third faction in and of itself.

TL;DR They are aware of and are meeting your alleged demand. Calm your farm.

I find it amusing that 327 posts later and no one has actually proposed a somewhat reasonable basis for the release of a third faction beyond "I have money and I must spend it!".

I find it amusing you don't think Demand isn't a reasonable basis to procure supply. That's pretty much all the excuse a company needs to make something. People want it. They will pay money for it. Why not try a smaller print run and see what the sales look like.

When did I say that? All I am saying that this 'demand' is actually for more ships; which by the way they still releasing AND are showing no signs of slowing down the release schedule even if the more identifiable ships are already done, and not for a third faction in and of itself.

TL;DR They are aware of and are meeting your alleged demand. Calm your farm.

There is significant demand for a third faction. People ask if/when it will happen all the bloody time. There is demand for more than new ships. There is demand for new ideas. Change. And demand for ships that fit neither faction.

If by significant you mean a dozen posters on this thread.

I find it amusing that 327 posts later and no one has actually proposed a somewhat reasonable basis for the release of a third faction beyond "I have money and I must spend it!".

I find it amusing you don't think Demand isn't a reasonable basis to procure supply. That's pretty much all the excuse a company needs to make something. People want it. They will pay money for it. Why not try a smaller print run and see what the sales look like.

When did I say that? All I am saying that this 'demand' is actually for more ships; which by the way they still releasing AND are showing no signs of slowing down the release schedule even if the more identifiable ships are already done, and not for a third faction in and of itself.

TL;DR They are aware of and are meeting your alleged demand. Calm your farm.

There is significant demand for a third faction. People ask if/when it will happen all the bloody time. There is demand for more than new ships. There is demand for new ideas. Change. And demand for ships that fit neither faction.

If by significant you mean a dozen posters on this thread.

In social psychology that's called confirmation bias, and even multiplying your dozen or so sample tenfold is statistically insignificant.

Forums are not a barometer for public demand. Not everyone who plays this game posts on this forum. Additionally, not everyone who posts on this forum will read an 18 page, 354 response arguement thread.

When FFG releases a third faction (notice I did not say if, but when) everyone will buy it. Why? Because you will need the upgrade cards for your Imperial or Rebel fleets to stay current. What if the new faction ships include more cannons? Are you not going to buy them and hamstring your Firesprays?

This is all the demand that FFG will need to release a new faction. I cant believe no one has realized that yet. Everyone bought a HWK despite it being mediocre, so that you could get the cards. Everyone has a TIE Advanced for the same reason.

FFG will release a third faction. My bet, and its a very good bet, is that it will be a Fringer faction. Now if FFG were as smart as me, and while no one really can be, they are at least approaching my level of genius, then they would release some repainted models with fixes (like giving the Y-Wing a bomb upgrade that is not faction specific) and release some unique ships.

My longshot bet, we have only seen 2 wave 5 ships. I could see a Gencon announcement of a third faction. I just hope its not something stupid like Droids of the Vong.

In social psychology that's called confirmation bias, and even multiplying your dozen or so sample tenfold is statistically insignificant.

Try 1 in a thousand or so. We are a tiny cynical reactionary section of this games playerbase. Our opinions will always be the most conservative the playerbase has.

We've had people whine about Proton Rockets, Dash Renars ability, EU ships, the fact people want Star Destroyers, Huge Ships, this games supposed imbalance, the fact people want new factions, etc... Basically, we're the games Tea Party.

... Basically, we're the games Tea Party.

I like you so much right now.

heh - 360 posts of people talking about something other people might or might not do, and how it might or might not matter.... Good news, is there's only 5 more post spaces left, until I could then re-read one post per day, and find out what happens in a year!

because if not I'd have expected the Hound's Tooth to show up long before EU stuff like the VT-49.

Eh, one EU ship or another. Sticking with a very Imperial looking one for the Empire makes more sense than a random bounty hunter ship for the Empire, regardless of what they intend toward the fringe faction.

Is it though? really? Bossk was on screen - obviously he had a ship, obviously all of them had a ship - they didn't all catch a ride out to that star destroyer with Boba Fett - We know what all of the bounty hunter ships from Episode 5 look like. They didn't happen to be on screen, but they are much closer to hard canon than a ship from Star Wars Galaxies.

Bounty Hunters on the Executor in ESB.

Boba Fett

IG-88

Bossk

Zuckus

4LOM

Rendar (edit: forgot him like I was hit in the head - nerdy joke sorry)

Bounty Hunter's that were in the Original Trilogy

Greedo

Boush (even though it was Leia in his armor, he was mentioned in the OT).

The only BH ship that we saw in the movies was Slave-1. None of the others are seen. VT-49 was a popular ship in the EU games. I can see them doing it first.

Also, I think they are saving a lot of these persons for a Fringer faction.

Bounty Hunters on the Executor in ESB.

Boba Fett

IG-88

Bossk

Zuckus

4LOM

Rendar (edit: forgot him like I was hit in the head - nerdy joke sorry)

Bounty Hunter's that were in the Original Trilogy

Greedo

Boush (even though it was Leia in his armor, he was mentioned in the OT).

The only BH ship that we saw in the movies was Slave-1. None of the others are seen. VT-49 was a popular ship in the EU games. I can see them doing it first.

Also, I think they are saving a lot of these persons for a Fringer faction.

Yes, it is. It wasn't in the movies, that by definition makes it EU. An awful lot of people, I have noticed, radically mis understand just how much information is part of the EU

The falcon being a YT-1300 is EU

So is Han winning the falcon from lando in a game named Sabaac

Astro mechs storing hyperdrive coordinates

Ans so on

I think the length of this thread (and number of posts, and views) alone is enough to show that expanding the game with an additional faction is definitely worth considering for FFG.

Aside from the vocal minority of players who desperately want to cling to the familiar and preserve the current status quo, the fact that this particular topic - alongside other similar speculation threads such as what's coming next, where to from here etc - is never very far from the top of the discussion list is telling.

There's plenty of ways FFG can extend the lifespan of this game of course - expanding the existing factions with material from the EU is one, but at some point the existing factions would begin to lose their identity. Moving the game in a different direction - which they have already started doing with the larger ships and Epic scale format - is another option. Spin off expansions such as the often-requested ground assault or fleet-based games is another.

FFG are going to continue to expand and develop this game for as long as they have the license. Fact.

A new faction is inevitable if FFG retain the license. Fact.

At the end of the day, the only players who are going to end up disappointed are the ones who don't want the game to continue to develop and grow.

I'm afraid those who say this game will have a third faction are going to be greatly disappointed

If I may add another comment?

Someone mentioned that people are asking for it ask the time?

I would like to see the census on that cause anyone I talky to don't care nor do they see it happening.

The very small % of people on the forums that do ask for it is hardly enough to base the claims that is the majority, if anything Probably a small a small minority

So if they release be BH ships they are going to be on the empire side

Why?

Two reasons

One

They are portrayed in the movies as working for them and that seems to be ffg main source of material

Two

They are not going to release another faction so any new ships they will have to pick a side.

It doesn't matter if the BH flew with the rebels in the EU.

Ffg know that a lot of people don't read or follow the EU so why confuse them

I'm happy the way the game is

This is all from memory though, so that's why I say it's an admittedly weak argument.

Regarding the HWK, I remember MM having them out of stock at one point. Not that that means it needed a reprint, just that MM had to order more.

The problem with the HWK though as a test case of EU popularity, is that the ship itself while seemingly popular around here anyway. Lots of people have lists with it. Few people seem to have a need for more then 1 or 2 of them.

As a support ship, it makes sense that it wouldn't sell as well as a OT ship would. Plus by the time Wave 3 came out, FFG had a much better feel for the demand of their ships and as such I'm sure produced more.

The true test of the EU ships is going to be Wave 4. All of them are ships you can use multiples of, especially the Z, but even then I would expect that they won't need to reprint any time soon, because they have a much better feel for how many to make, and do a better job of matching demand then they did with wave 1 or 2.

I don't know, I think some are mixing up their want for the "fringey" ships with wanting a third faction. I really do want all the ESB Bounty Hunter ships. But, that doesn't mean I want a third faction. And I definitely do not want factions to share ships.

Honestly, the HWK is a true test for demand. See how well one of the lesser EU ships that doesn't encourage multiples sells. You then have your floor for how well EU ships can sell.

You then have your floor for how well EU ships can sell.

As the floor yes, it would work quite well. It's not the most obscure EU ship, but it's also not as well known as the Defender or Z-95.

I don't think however there's any real way to do a 3rd faction without sharing ships. Just can't see doing a pirate/smuggler faction that can't use Z-95's or YT-1300's.

I think the length of this thread (and number of posts, and views) alone is enough to show that expanding the game with an additional faction is definitely worth considering for FFG.

Aside from the vocal minority of players who desperately want to cling to the familiar and preserve the current status quo, the fact that this particular topic - alongside other similar speculation threads such as what's coming next, where to from here etc - is never very far from the top of the discussion list is telling.

A new faction is inevitable if FFG retain the license. Fact.

...I'm happy the way the game is

So basically your entire argument is "I don't want to see it so therefore it will never happen"?

Doesn't work like that I'm afraid. FFG isn't only catering to you, you know. Still, don't worry - you don't have to buy into the new faction when FFG release it if you don't want to.

Presumptuous, and only demonstrates your supreme arrogance. Fact.

Ooo, insults. How childish. It's not arrogance, I'm afraid - it's simple common sense. I'm sorry that you don't like the idea, but it doesn't make it any less true.

I wasn't trying to insult you. I was trying to enlighten you.

I wasn't trying to insult you. I was trying to enlighten you.

Calling someone arrogant and dismissing their opinion won't enlighten them. And I have to agree with him. A third faction on one level or another seems inevitable. We'll just have tto see where it goes. I'd rather it be mercenary ships than a third faction but some people apparently feel like sharing ships would somehow destroy the faction system... I don't buy it.

All that tells is that us few are passionate of our views and we ought to be doing more constructive things with our time

Boy, ain't that the truth. I keep trying to not click on this topic, but like a hideous train wreck, I keep not being able to turn away.

I wasn't trying to insult you. I was trying to enlighten you.

Calling someone arrogant and dismissing their opinion won't enlighten them. And I have to agree with him. A third faction on one level or another seems inevitable. We'll just have tto see where it goes. I'd rather it be mercenary ships than a third faction but some people apparently feel like sharing ships would somehow destroy the faction system... I don't buy it.