Bring Out the Big Guns! Wave 5 announcement

By dvorm, in X-Wing

ok I have to say this stuff looks awesome, but can we please play with the wave 4 stuff before making us drool over wave 5!?!?!?!?!?!

Refused!

If they didn't want us to speculate, they would not have shown the cards!

Btw Ta____ Ja____ could be Tactical, Tactics or Target, Targeting, and either Jammer, Jack (or Janitor XD... As in Space Janitors!)

I posted this already, but no one seemed to notice. So here it is again.

Tac-

Jam-

Modifica-

Your sh-

eva-

Tactical Jammer

Modification. Your ship gains the evade action.

However, they always use the icon for the action. I feel it's unlikely they'd give a large ship mod that works exactly like the Falcon title, too.

millennium-falcon-title.png

I'm definitely hoping that it gives the Jam action, but also not holding my breath. Also curious as to what the full name is going to be. "Tactical Jammer" sounds a little strange... what makes it different from a regular jammer? But we can't really tell if it's an "m" after the "Ja", could be a different word.

Star Wars uses the traditional rank structure pretty loosely. For example, Han becomes a general four years after being a contracted smuggler, and In some of the EU, General Salm reports to Admiral Akbar. Further, the shuttle pilots are Captain Kagi (8), Colonel Jendon (6), and Captain Yorr (4), so the more skilled pilot is not necessarily the ranking pilot.

There are differences in military rank structure in every country on this planet alone. Stands to reason that the Star Wars universe has a different hierarchy as well. The Imperial navy did, at any rate.

However, they always use the icon for the action. I feel it's unlikely they'd give a large ship mod that works exactly like the Falcon title, too.

millennium-falcon-title.png

I'm definitely hoping that it gives the Jam action, but also not holding my breath. Also curious as to what the full name is going to be. "Tactical Jammer" sounds a little strange... what makes it different from a regular jammer? But we can't really tell if it's an "m" after the "Ja", could be a different word.

It's highly likely it will involve evading though. The set does come with an evade token after all.

If I might let my dreams overcome my logic for a minute, perhaps a VT-49 only upgrade that gives it an evade *token* every turn, rather than the evade action?

Is there room for more rules or can we even see? Tactical Jammer would make sense. Maybe "when targeted by" or "when no hits are cancelled" or some other qualifier(s).

Also feels like anything that is good for the Decimator is just as good, if not better for, the hipposhuttlebus.

Is there room for more rules or can we even see? Tactical Jammer would make sense. Maybe "when targeted by" or "when no hits are cancelled" or some other qualifier(s).

Also feels like anything that is good for the Decimator is just as good, if not better for, the hipposhuttlebus.

At it's cost I think the decimator is going to have a decent dial, the thing the shuttle most lacks, and obviously the turret makes that less of a worry anyway.

But if tactical jammer does give an evade action or some other damage mitigation for less than 5pts then the meanest ships to put it on would be the shuttle and phantom. It is in the systems slot right?

At it's cost I think the decimator is going to have a decent dial, the thing the shuttle most lacks, and obviously the turret makes that less of a worry anyway.

But if tactical jammer does give an evade action or some other damage mitigation for less than 5pts then the meanest ships to put it on would be the shuttle and phantom. It is in the systems slot right?

Ah, I was thinking it was the systems slot. That changes things. Now it's nasty on the defender and the bwing! Hwk's and xwings don't use thier mod slot often either.

I was really hoping for a free evade action or token: would make Kir Kanos happy! If it's just an evade action addition we're going to see a lot of PTL decimators. That seems odd.

Edited by Rakky Wistol

More likely surely that Tactical Jammer gives the Jam action....

The evade token is there because one of the pilot skills allows you to give an evade... or there was space on the token cards for an extra evade (rather like the Defender).

Edited by Bilisknir

I may be crazy but it looks like on one of the elite pilot skills that the is with the decimator that it almost looks as if the starting letters at the top of the ruthless card are Imp...perhaps Imperial only?

"Ruthless"

Imperial Only

One can hope yes?

Edited by TheGreedyMerchant

I may be crazy but it looks like on one of the elite pilot skills that the is with the decimator that it almost looks as if the starting letters at the top of the ruthless card are Imp...perhaps Imperial only?

"Ruthless"

Imperial Only

One can hope yes?

Well, ruthless certainly is something that describes the Empire more than it does the Rebels.

I may be crazy but it looks like on one of the elite pilot skills that the is with the decimator that it almost looks as if the starting letters at the top of the ruthless card are Imp...perhaps Imperial only?

"Ruthless"

Imperial Only

One can hope yes?

Well, ruthless certainly is something that describes the Empire more than it does the Rebels.

TERRORIST PROPAGANDA!!!

Ruthless is certainly Imperial Only. It must be one interesting EPT if it's getting restricted...

At it's cost I think the decimator is going to have a decent dial, the thing the shuttle most lacks, and obviously the turret makes that less of a worry anyway.

But if tactical jammer does give an evade action or some other damage mitigation for less than 5pts then the meanest ships to put it on would be the shuttle and phantom. It is in the systems slot right?

No it's a modification. And if the card text I can make out is right it certainly gives an action. Evade is the most likely. Probably for 2-4 points.

The word "modification" starts at the very left of the card. There's more than one word in that line. Could be like APL: "Modification. Large ship only." Or "Modification. Empire only."

At it's cost I think the decimator is going to have a decent dial, the thing the shuttle most lacks, and obviously the turret makes that less of a worry anyway.

But if tactical jammer does give an evade action or some other damage mitigation for less than 5pts then the meanest ships to put it on would be the shuttle and phantom. It is in the systems slot right?

No it's a modification. And if the card text I can make out is right it certainly gives an action. Evade is the most likely. Probably for 2-4 points.

The word "modification" starts at the very left of the card. There's more than one word in that line. Could be like APL: "Modification. Large ship only." Or "Modification. Empire only."

Hopefully more of the second and less of the first.

Edited by Rakky Wistol

At it's cost I think the decimator is going to have a decent dial, the thing the shuttle most lacks, and obviously the turret makes that less of a worry anyway.

But if tactical jammer does give an evade action or some other damage mitigation for less than 5pts then the meanest ships to put it on would be the shuttle and phantom. It is in the systems slot right?

No it's a modification. And if the card text I can make out is right it certainly gives an action. Evade is the most likely. Probably for 2-4 points.

The word "modification" starts at the very left of the card. There's more than one word in that line. Could be like APL: "Modification. Large ship only." Or "Modification. Empire only."

I'm guessing its a modification unique to the VT-49. That would let them do some stuff that would be insane on any other ship.

Actually, Imperial and Rebel Ship Only makes the most sense. If a mod has a ship type restriction, it came before "Modification". Whereas the factions restrictions have been last. So, while we don't have an exact precedent, I'm willing to bet they are faction specific, not ship specific.

Ruthless is certainly Imperial Only. It must be one interesting EPT if it's getting restricted...

Side note, My personal feeling is that the name of it is Ruthlessness, their might not be enough room on the card for the extra 4 letters but to date EVERY EPT has either been a noun or a verb. I'm not saying FFG can't use whatever part of speech they feel like, but I just think that with that many examples they do have a defined pattern, and people generally like to stick to one.

Edited by Gundog8324

Ruthless is certainly Imperial Only. It must be one interesting EPT if it's getting restricted...

Side note, My personal feeling is that the name of it is Ruthlessness, their might not be enough room on the card for the extra 4 letters but to date EVERY EPT has either been an action or a verb. I'm not saying FFG can't use whatever part of speech they feel like, but I just think that with that many examples they do have a defined pattern, and people generally like to stick to one.

Determination

Predator

Squad leader

Vetran instincts

Marksmanship

All nouns or adjectives. Ruthless and Ruthlessness are not verbs or actions either.

Edited by Rakky Wistol

Ruthless is certainly Imperial Only. It must be one interesting EPT if it's getting restricted...

There has been a lot of speculation on shaking up the meta. I think that the meta is going to become part of the game:

Ruthless(ness):

Once per round, after performing an attack that hits, you may strike your opponent with a bare fist. If your strike draws blood, you may attack again.

Ruthless is certainly Imperial Only. It must be one interesting EPT if it's getting restricted...

Side note, My personal feeling is that the name of it is Ruthlessness, their might not be enough room on the card for the extra 4 letters but to date EVERY EPT has either been an action or a verb. I'm not saying FFG can't use whatever part of speech they feel like, but I just think that with that many examples they do have a defined pattern, and people generally like to stick to one.

Untruth:

Determination

Predator

Squad leader

Vetran instincts

Marksmanship

All nouns or adjectives. Ruthless and Ruthlessness are not verbs or actions either.

These are all nouns. In fact, all existing EPT titles are either nouns or verbs, not adjectives, which supports Gundog's idea. "Ruthless" is an adjective; "Ruthlessness" is a noun.

Ruthless is certainly Imperial Only. It must be one interesting EPT if it's getting restricted...

Side note, My personal feeling is that the name of it is Ruthlessness, their might not be enough room on the card for the extra 4 letters but to date EVERY EPT has either been an action or a verb. I'm not saying FFG can't use whatever part of speech they feel like, but I just think that with that many examples they do have a defined pattern, and people generally like to stick to one.

Untruth:

Determination

Predator

Squad leader

Vetran instincts

Marksmanship

All nouns or adjectives. Ruthless and Ruthlessness are not verbs or actions either.

Edit: I realized i mistyped and put actions and verbs, it was supposed to be nouns and verbs, the point still stands that Ruthless would be an adjective which we have yet to have a stand alone adjective as an EPT

Now ruthless may be describing something but I doubt that "Ruthless" is the entirety of the card title

Edited by Gundog8324

Ruthless is certainly Imperial Only. It must be one interesting EPT if it's getting restricted...

There has been a lot of speculation on shaking up the meta. I think that the meta is going to become part of the game:

Ruthless(ness):

Once per round, after performing an attack that hits, you may strike your opponent with a bare fist. If your strike draws blood, you may attack again.

Ruthless is certainly Imperial Only. It must be one interesting EPT if it's getting restricted...

Side note, My personal feeling is that the name of it is Ruthlessness, their might not be enough room on the card for the extra 4 letters but to date EVERY EPT has either been an action or a verb. I'm not saying FFG can't use whatever part of speech they feel like, but I just think that with that many examples they do have a defined pattern, and people generally like to stick to one.

Untruth:

Determination

Predator

Squad leader

Vetran instincts

Marksmanship

All nouns or adjectives. Ruthless and Ruthlessness are not verbs or actions either.

These are all nouns. In fact, all existing EPT titles are either nouns or verbs, not adjectives, which supports Gundog's idea. "Ruthless" is an adjective; "Ruthlessness" is a noun.

I did have a Typo which is probably why Rakky listed a bunch of nouns, but you sorta covered for my mistake, I thank you

No worries...

We have lots of "international" players about and sometimes language is funny!

Fun fact... 4 EPTs are not fully noun/adj either.

No worries...

We have lots of "international" players about and sometimes language is funny!

Fun fact... 4 EPTs are not fully noun/adj either.

Push the Limit

Squad Leader

Swarm Tactics

Draw Their Fire

Did I get them all?

No worries...

We have lots of "international" players about and sometimes language is funny!

Fun fact... 4 EPTs are not fully noun/adj either.

Push the Limit

Squad Leader

Swarm Tactics

Draw Their Fire

Did I get them all?

2/4

No worries...

We have lots of "international" players about and sometimes language is funny!

Fun fact... 4 EPTs are not fully noun/adj either.

Push the Limit

Squad Leader

Swarm Tactics

Draw Their Fire

Did I get them all?

2/4

Squad Leader and Swarm Tactics are both noun-phrases.

Outmaneuver and Expose are the remaining Verbs