just draw bursts on the blank sides. Problem solved

YO THEM GREEN DICE NEED MORE LOVIN THEN THE RED ONES!

So draw the bursts on your green dice...? No?

Nothing is better than the A wing firing his two cannons at your Tie and getting 2 hits at long range, only for you to roll your own 4 evade dice and hit in back a couple along with dodging his hits

I am not sure what the OP is getting at. I generally roll all blanks on attack and defense. Apparently, that is considered working as designed.

In all seriousness, I started going to a regular RPG session recently and heard something I had never heard of or thought of in all my life. People slightly melting dice in the microwave or via other ways to try to get the right results. It sounded like it was mainly D6s, but I really couldn't believe it. Why would I mangle my dice and why would I want to cheat?

If he thinks the dice have been modified in someway, I could see griping about the player, but not the FFG dice. They are just dice, and we can all agree, dice are fickle.

Yup in my RPG days people did do that, and so I rolled their dice, or they got new dice in my presence and I kept them in my house where we gamed. If they did that then I let them roll their own stuff.

My real friends and I had a few guest gamers pull this faked up dice trick on us.

Of course my real friends always had and rolled their own dice in my games.

I'm truly speechless from this whole thread!

The confirmation bias is strong in this one.

You have no statistical evidence that the dice are weighted. You need a large control group and probably upwards of a million rolls per die to determine which die of YOUR OWN are having better results. I would theorize after a million rolls the stats would be within normal range.

Remember you have to have a controlled environment for this.

Table surface must be the same

Mat surface must be the same

Height Dropped must be the same

Angle dropped must be the same

Once you complete these tests and can give a document containing your results I would be more inclined to agree that there is a "Dice issue"

So the dice that come with this game are absolutely terrible, they are weighted poorly and buying enough sets you can find a group that will almost always net you hits or evades on every roll. I've been looking for a company that makes precision dice, in the vein of game science but with no luck. I'm curious if anyone else has found good alternatives?

I also refuse to use the dice app as I'm here to roll dice not press a button so please don't suggest that.

Somehow I don't believe you've bought enough core sets to have accuratley tested this. I have never seen a set of core set dice that perform anything other then as randomly as dice can do.

You do know you can buy dice separately from the core, I have rolled these dice enough times that the results aren't random like they should be. I have one opponent who I refuse to let them use their dice as the rolls are highly weighted in the rollers favour. And this is about finding better dice so don't post if you don't have anything positive to add

So yeah, you're obviously new here, what with the whopping 20 posts and all. I can see from the attitude you're throwing around right here that A: you are 100% convinced of your own opinion, and B: you are completely unwilling to listen to what other people have to say about the subject.

The community we have here isn't perfect, but overall I believe that we are all civil and willing to help in just about every way. If you require some form of proof, go ahead and search for the thread entitled "Lost my minis" or something to that effect that was started by Millennium Falsehood back at the beginning of May. This group of people is totally and completely willing to throw wads of cash at a member in need. That's saying a lot.

However we aren't all blind idiots either. If you claim something without providing evidence, we're going to call you on your sh*t and challenge your claim.

If you have no evidence yet still maintain a stubborn disposition then there is no way in hell anyone here will take you seriously. By essentially telling someone who states that there is a possibility that the dice are perfectly fine to basically go f**k off then you almost completely lose your credibility and any willingness from anyone to help you in...whatever.

To say that the dice that come with the core set -- or any dice that FFG produces and sells -- is an INCREDIBLE claim. The amount of games that have been played, the number of dice that have been thrown, the math on that is literally incalculable. And while the majority of those games are merely for fun, there have been an unbelievable amount of games that had a lot at stake. Regionals, Nationals, Worlds, the list goes on and on.

I'm going to have to invoke Carl Sagan here and quote that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". Seriously, you might as well say that FFG intentionally tweaks all of the cardboard moving templates just to screw with the players. Oh and by the way, lets go ahead and sell some loaded dice every now and then too, because their intention as a professional gaming company is to break the very game they work so hard to make.

Occam's Razor states that the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions is almost always true. Personally, I think you have fallen for the oldest human fallacy which is to connect unrelated dots and create your own meaning to it and calling it intentional. I claim that your dice are fine, it's your perception that is faulty.

You have no statistical evidence that the dice are weighted. You need a large control group and probably upwards of a million rolls per die to determine which die of YOUR OWN are having better results. I would theorize after a million rolls the stats would be within normal range.

Remember you have to have a controlled environment for this.

Table surface must be the same

Mat surface must be the same

Height Dropped must be the same

Angle dropped must be the same

Once you complete these tests and can give a document containing your results I would be more inclined to agree that there is a "Dice issue"

nonsense. Statistically you only need about 1000-1500 to get within +- 2% of their true results, only 500 or so if you want a massive error range of about +- 3%. I'd recommend finding a good way to randomize the roll, shake it in a cup for a few seconds first to eliminate initial position bias and mark all of the sides so you can verify how much each side comes up individually, not just blank, focus, crit, hit, etc. Roll height doesn't have to be perfect, but don't vary it too much, if the die is weighted it shouldn't take an exact position to fuss that out.

You have no statistical evidence that the dice are weighted. You need a large control group and probably upwards of a million rolls per die to determine which die of YOUR OWN are having better results. I would theorize after a million rolls the stats would be within normal range.

Remember you have to have a controlled environment for this.

Table surface must be the same

Mat surface must be the same

Height Dropped must be the same

Angle dropped must be the same

Once you complete these tests and can give a document containing your results I would be more inclined to agree that there is a "Dice issue"

nonsense. Statistically you only need about 1000-1500 to get within +- 2% of their true results, only 500 or so if you want a massive error range of about +- 3%. I'd recommend finding a good way to randomize the roll, shake it in a cup for a few seconds first to eliminate initial position bias and mark all of the sides so you can verify how much each side comes up individually, not just blank, focus, crit, hit, etc. Roll height doesn't have to be perfect, but don't vary it too much, if the die is weighted it shouldn't take an exact position to fuss that out.

while for a single die this should be enough, the more extensive and expensive task would be to buy enough dice to compare them. In principle, since this are custom dice with game specific sides, not all sides have to have the absolute same chance to appear. The probabilities just should be roughly the same over all produced dice, at least to cover the issue the OP mentioned.

I don't say thats actually a problem, even if I don't know the creation process of the dice I would guess it should have the accuracy to produce roughly the same dice, however their specific probabilities are.

I'd say its more likely that the OP's friend is rolling his dice in such a way as to influence the results than the dice themselves being weighted somehow.

Have your friend use a dice roller or roll them from a cup and see if he still gets the same results.

Or perhaps test them through a dice tower to make the roll more uniform? It'd give a (somewhat) more controlled roll, allowing you to check your dice (yeah, a thousand rolls for each die sounds good) for balance. And remember, truly random results may yield experimental outcomes far beyond what would be statistically "reasonable:" you should get about 12.5% with each face up (and of course you'll differentiate between each identical side), but it's possible , albeit unlikely, to land all 1,000 of your rolls on the [Crit] side.

..., but it's possible , albeit unlikely, to land all 1,000 of your rolls on the [Crit] side.

except if you are rolling green dice, then the probability is somewhat lower

The community we have here isn't perfect, but overall I believe that we are all civil and willing to help in just about every way. If you require some form of proof, go ahead and search for the thread entitled "Lost my minis" or something to that effect that was started by Millennium Falsehood back at the beginning of May. This group of people is totally and completely willing to throw wads of cash at a member in need. That's saying a lot.

The community we have here isn't perfect, but overall I believe that we are all civil and willing to help in just about every way. If you require some form of proof, go ahead and search for the thread entitled "Lost my minis" or something to that effect that was started by Millennium Falsehood back at the beginning of May. This group of people is totally and completely willing to throw wads of cash at a member in need. That's saying a lot.

Obviously it isnt I asked for dice alternatives, and instead of being helpful the majority of the 'community' here decided to be pissants and just be internet trolls. I dont care about your opinion about how the dice roll. Ive rolled them enough to want better options. If you dont have any positive feedback you and the rest of your 'civil' community should just keep your mouth shut

I don't know, after reading through the responses, they seem fairly reasonable to me. If you can provide pictures or images of your dice, we can see if they look miscasted or deformed.

A trolly response would be "how about you just do rock paper scissors" or along those lines, but it seems like most of the posts here are people describing there own experience with the dice, and how they are fickle things.

When I first started, my friend just had incredible beginners luck, we shared the same dice, and he always hit/evaded while I always missed/got hit. We had started a week before imdaar, and his beginners luck carried him all the way to 6th place in the tourny of 20-30 x-wing players. (all he had to work with was a starter set and aces)

The community we have here isn't perfect, but overall I believe that we are all civil and willing to help in just about every way. If you require some form of proof, go ahead and search for the thread entitled "Lost my minis" or something to that effect that was started by Millennium Falsehood back at the beginning of May. This group of people is totally and completely willing to throw wads of cash at a member in need. That's saying a lot.

Obviously it isnt I asked for dice alternatives, and instead of being helpful the majority of the 'community' here decided to be pissants and just be internet trolls. I dont care about your opinion about how the dice roll. Ive rolled them enough to want better options. If you dont have any positive feedback you and the rest of your 'civil' community should just keep your mouth shut

The are a lot of variables, they take place, and a lot of dice to roll.

I highly doubt you spent the last week rollig numerous dice hundreds /thousands of times.

You want an easy solution. Then download the ffg app on the Google play Market.

It's a dice game. I don't think they hire physics experts when making dice, but it's good enough, and I really don't think it's a bad as you say it is.

If your really want people to understand, then how did your experiment? You take notes? Make a video? How did you keep track of your results? I would think if you really did experiment with the dice you would have recorded your results. How wound you remember which dice you rolled X amount of times?

Unless you just rolled one dice 10 tines and rolled 8 blanks, and that is how you came to your conclusion, which is a piss poor one.

All People are asking is show us your results. If you ran since serious tests, then I would expect you would have recorded your results to keep track.

If not then your just simply full of bull ****.

Rolling one dice 10 does not qualify as a legitimate test

The community we have here isn't perfect, but overall I believe that we are all civil and willing to help in just about every way. If you require some form of proof, go ahead and search for the thread entitled "Lost my minis" or something to that effect that was started by Millennium Falsehood back at the beginning of May. This group of people is totally and completely willing to throw wads of cash at a member in need. That's saying a lot.

Obviously it isnt I asked for dice alternatives, and instead of being helpful the majority of the 'community' here decided to be pissants and just be internet trolls. I dont care about your opinion about how the dice roll. Ive rolled them enough to want better options. If you dont have any positive feedback you and the rest of your 'civil' community should just keep your mouth shut

If you dont have any positive feedback you and the rest of your 'civil' community should just keep your mouth shut

Yeah - that's going to really get anyone interested in helping you.

Talk about trolling.

Guys - everyone needs to chill out. This is a question of statistics. Of course there will be bad dice out there, some will roll "well" some "badly". (Though which way is which depends on which die and who is doing the rolling).

It is eminently possible that the OP has received a bad batch of dice. His attack dice roll fewer hits than expected, and his defence dice roll more blanks. It is also possible that the guy he is playing has similarly squiffy dice. Perhaps they got box sets at the same time from the same shop and that pallet of core sets have dice from a Friday 9pm casting that was stored next a heater over the weekend and all the dice are out of shape. Just remember given mass manufacturing you will eventually get a number of bad dice that will roll non-uniformly

Now I cannot verify whether or not the dice are actually out of true. If they are and are thus rolling non-uniformly or it is merely his impression that they roll non-uniformly I cannot prove either. So for the moment I am willing to take his word that they are in some way not working as intended.

So my suggestion to him is to go buy a couple of packs of the extra dice and try those. See if they work more as he wants. Then he can use them in competitions. If he gets dice made then his opponents are well within their rights to refuse to let him use those dice.

If he feels an opponent has squiffy dice then he should say at the start of the game to that opponent they should use 1 shared set of dice. That levels the playing field.

Well the problem I have is he said he ran his own tests on the dice and concluded that they are bad.

So many people then asked him how did he test it? And to provide results.

I have no doubt like anything there is always a lemon. Every product of every kind will have them.

But when asked simply to provide his findings, and how he came up with the numbers he gets more defensive, and then insults everyone.

I think his tests resulted him rolling his dice 5-10 times and think that is a suitable amount of rolls and concluded that the dice are bad.

Surely if he did a serious test of some sort he would have to record the numbers. I would think there be a lot of % numbers, and I doubt you would keep track of everything in your head.

Rolling dice 5-10-25 times is not considered a test.

Then he calls people here names? All people asked is shiw the results.

I'm no math wiz by any means, but I do see a lot of math taking place in this game with percentages and etc. Then he comes on here spewing crap about running tests, it's only natural that those who run percentage numbers would ask for his results, and when he doesn't show, call b.s on his numbers.

My opinion is he's a troll and after his last comment, a douchbag

Guys - everyone needs to chill out.

When someone is as rude as the OP, no we don't need to chill out. We need to call the OP on his bad behavior.

As to his question... Well it's starts off with a faulty premise. According to him it seems he thinks all FFG dice are faulty, based on a unknown amount of testing with unknown process for testing. It's not just that he says he has a bad die, but all the dice he's bought are bad.

Clearly the massive amount of dice thrown every week playing X-Wing proves this is a faulty premise, because of the dice FFG made were so bad, we'ed hear a lot more about it. So while it's possible he got a bad die or two, it's almost impossible that all the dice he's gotten are bad.

Also the option he's looking for doesn't actually exist, since the only legal dice you can use are the ones made by FFG.

Since I'm new here and not really part of the community yet am I free to state the obvious and point out that this guy is being an antagonistic ****** who obviously just wants people to agree with his claims and will refuse any sort of help whatsoever if it doesn't line up with his preconceived notions of 'bias'?

My major concern with the OP's hypothesis is that he stated he has tried 'multiple' sets of dice.

One bad set - sure. Two - why not? More than that? Doubtful. And that's the issue here. I don't WANT a set of dice that are 'consistent'. If they are consistent, that means they are NOT random. If they are inconsistent, then that means that they are doing exactly what they are supposed to do, and that is add an element of randomness to the game.

I call BS on this whole exercise.

I think anyone here can easily attest to their dice being 'hot' for them one day or another, and being cold for them the next. That's the nature of the game. Maybe he needs to change up the way he rolls, or add some other element (like a dice tower or cup) to change things up.

As I stated before - even Craps dice are carefully controlled, but have tolerances for weight, balance, size, and shape. With the proper tools, they are checked each day before they are put into play, and are rotated out on a daily basis. And Craps dice are far less complicated if you will, having only six sides instead of the eight sided FFG dice.

If he truly wishes to believe there is something wrong with his dice (and every other set he has played with or against), that is his right. But, he should be prepared to not play very many games, as I don't know of anyone yet who ISN'T playing with those dice.

His best bet would be as others have suggested, and to use a shared set of dice when playing in tournaments - if the other person has 'hot' dice when attacking, then he too should have 'hot' dice when he attacks. If not, then the problem lies with either how he or his opponent rolls those dice. He can't have his cake and eat it too in this case. And if he were to drop wads of cash on a set of precision dice, then a - he's fooling himself into a false sense of security, b- he won't be able to use those dice in any FFG tournament, and I imagine even most casual organized games, and c - he had better be prepared to be called on his BS when an opponent demands that he use only official equipment from FFG.

Sounds like the OP is going to be very lonely looking for games.

If you dont have any positive feedback you and the rest of your 'civil' community should just keep your mouth shut

Yeah - that's going to really get anyone interested in helping you.

Talk about trolling.

hehe, it's probably a case of "you have to be one to know one"

Not for this game, but for others I've totally put dice in time out!

I can see it now....the hours of test rolling....floating them to see which have hits on top....putting the bad dice in time out.

The community we have here isn't perfect, but overall I believe that we are all civil and willing to help in just about every way. If you require some form of proof, go ahead and search for the thread entitled "Lost my minis" or something to that effect that was started by Millennium Falsehood back at the beginning of May. This group of people is totally and completely willing to throw wads of cash at a member in need. That's saying a lot.

Obviously it isnt I asked for dice alternatives, and instead of being helpful the majority of the 'community' here decided to be pissants and just be internet trolls. I dont care about your opinion about how the dice roll. Ive rolled them enough to want better options. If you dont have any positive feedback you and the rest of your 'civil' community should just keep your mouth shut

whoa dude...no need to tantrum because you didn't get the answer you wanted. Not a good way to get any answers.